Do not get this tempered glass, and maybe in general... for now - Galaxy S6 Accessories

I ordered this: http://amzn.com/B00UH8KKA0
And I got THIS!
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The reviews are also very misleading, not because they are fake but because they encompass not only the S6 but for every single phone model they made the tempered glass for.
For S6 specific reviews, use the drop down list for the "All formats" filter and you can see only S6 reviews.
S6 specific review
You will find a little more info about the tempered glass
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Okay, but let's take a big step back here and talk tempered glass meta at the present time. First, the S6 isn't even "officially" out yet. Isn't it possible that manufacturers used approximate dimensions based on prototypes? Yes. Isn't it possible there are only a few tempered glass factories (in china of course) that mass produce these for many, many phone accessory businesses? Yes.
My advice, don't purchase any tempered glass until a manufacturer specifically announces a revision has been released. I would wait another month or longer in all honesty because i estimate that's when they will be reordering more from their vendors and that is when they can request a better, WIDER piece of glass. My glass width didn't even cover the display fully. I know the bezel is nice and narrow on the sides but there is still 1-2 mm of room the tempered glass could've covered if it was wider.
TL;DR: wait for the next reiteration of tempered glass products for the S6, the dimensions are still wonky and I suspect most brands will have this problem because they all get their glass from the same few factories.

That's about average for rounded glass screens. To prevent lifting. Maybe a little larger..but not much. Your not going to see that much better.

There aren't any that I've seen that cover the entire face of the phone when it's a curved display

that's unfortunate. i ordered one from Nillkin. i hope theirs offers more coverage, but i doubt it. after looking at their promo renders more closely, they're exactly like how your pics look.
do your fingers catch on the screen protector when sliding in from the sides? looks like that would be annoying

chillsen said:
I ordered this: http://amzn.com/B00UH8KKA0
And I got THIS!
The reviews are also very misleading, not because they are fake but because they encompass not only the S6 but for every single phone model they made the tempered glass for.
For S6 specific reviews, use the drop down list for the "All formats" filter and you can see only S6 reviews.
S6 specific review
You will find a little more info about the tempered glass
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Okay, but let's take a big step back here and talk tempered glass meta at the present time. First, the S6 isn't even "officially" out yet. Isn't it possible that manufacturers used approximate dimensions based on prototypes? Yes. Isn't it possible there are only a few tempered glass factories (in china of course) that mass produce these for many, many phone accessory businesses? Yes.
My advice, don't purchase any tempered glass until a manufacturer specifically announces a revision has been released. I would wait another month or longer in all honesty because i estimate that's when they will be reordering more from their vendors and that is when they can request a better, WIDER piece of glass. My glass width didn't even cover the display fully. I know the bezel is nice and narrow on the sides but there is still 1-2 mm of room the tempered glass could've covered if it was wider.
TL;DR: wait for the next reiteration of tempered glass products for the S6, the dimensions are still wonky and I suspect most brands will have this problem because they all get their glass from the same few factories.
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As others have pointed out, it's not going to get any better. Go check out the 260+ page thread of tempered glass failures in the Note 4 section. It's because Samsung has decided to use curved edge displays for some retarded reason.
If the protector covers any more it will lift from the screen creating a halo effect.
The one you bought actually looks really good though for the money. Thanks for posting it.

what about those glass screen protector which are 2.5d? like ivoler

i found this on Nillkin's website. it looks like they have a version where it covers the complete front of the screen, even below the home button. it looks like a complete replacement for the glass, but one you stick on.
i can't find it for sale anywhere, though. if someone does, please post the link.
http://www.nillkin.com/english/proshow.asp?mid=2&sid=0&tid=0&cid=1&scid=13&id=5045&page=1
below is the "standard" version i ordered. notice the difference:

I've ordered
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U75I7FI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Will see how it covers and the fitment

tlxxxsracer said:
I've ordered
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U75I7FI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Will see how it covers and the fitment
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this is actually the one that caught my eye after i had already ordered though. please post pictures, especially the bottom since it surrounds the physical button. thanks!

maybe the one you ordered is made that way to be case-friendly?
I notice a lot on manufacturers advertise two versions of screen protectors, case-friendly and normal..

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this is actually the one that caught my eye after i had already ordered though. please post pictures, especially the bottom since it surrounds the physical button. thanks!
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Sure will, just waiting for it to arrive.
I'm kinda glad you posted the picture you did because I also had ordered the same one you got. I'll be doing a review of both.

I'll wait for the Zagg glass and hop for no halos.

I'd say it looks as advertised (not covering the entire screen).

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I'd say it looks as advertised (not covering the entire screen).
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Was going to say the same thing. And it's actually covering the entire screen....looks like it would provide great protection with most cases.
OP....how does the glass feel, respond to touch, etc?

I ordered the Tech Armor tempered glass screen protector and it's similar to this one. It's VERY narrow fitting to the screen edges so u MUST apply it perfectly to get 100% coverage. And that's just the actual "screen" part of the glass! Not really super happy because it still Halos as well and what's the point of a screen protector that does not cover the whole screen and STILL halos?? They will most likely make a revision and they do have a lifetime warranty so I will see what happens but so far I am not liking the edges and how some call it "case friendly". That's a garbage term IMO... You can see the back protector from Spigen ( a free one that came with a case) is WAAAY to narrow so that's def a no go as well. I will say the oleophobic coating is spot on though and that's a few points for the Tech Armor but the sides are gonna get bad, I can already tell. Good luck getting a good brand and I will be checking out pics so I can find one that does the job I need it to do. Loving the S6 though!!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U6EZC5S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
There are some pics if you wanna see this particular brand and how it fits. I almost got it perfect but I am just a tad off but zero dust particles under the screen protector... :good:

1lazysheep said:
i found this on Nillkin's website. it looks like they have a version where it covers the complete front of the screen, even below the home button. it looks like a complete replacement for the glass, but one you stick on.
i can't find it for sale anywhere, though. if someone does, please post the link.
http://www.nillkin.com/english/proshow.asp?mid=2&sid=0&tid=0&cid=1&scid=13&id=5045&page=1
below is the "standard" version i ordered. notice the difference:
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Probably a coming soon thing. Looks nice though.

shojus said:
I ordered the Tech Armor tempered glass screen protector and it's similar to this one. It's VERY narrow fitting to the screen edges so u MUST apply it perfectly to get 100% coverage. And that's just the actual "screen" part of the glass! Not really super happy because it still Halos as well and what's the point of a screen protector that does not cover the whole screen and STILL halos?? They will most likely make a revision and they do have a lifetime warranty so I will see what happens but so far I am not liking the edges and how some call it "case friendly". That's a garbage term IMO... You can see the back protector from Spigen ( a free one that came with a case) is WAAAY to narrow so that's def a no go as well. I will say the oleophobic coating is spot on though and that's a few points for the Tech Armor but the sides are gonna get bad, I can already tell. Good luck getting a good brand and I will be checking out pics so I can find one that does the job I need it to do. Loving the S6 though!!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U6EZC5S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
There are some pics if you wanna see this particular brand and how it fits. I almost got it perfect but I am just a tad off but zero dust particles under the screen protector... :good:
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that sucks. it looks terrible with how much space is left at the edges. there's probably going to be a lot of upset customers of glass screen protectors. hopefully the feedback will result in a better product

1lazysheep said:
i found this on Nillkin's website. it looks like they have a version where it covers the complete front of the screen, even below the home button. it looks like a complete replacement for the glass, but one you stick on.
i can't find it for sale anywhere, though. if someone does, please post the link.
http://www.nillkin.com/english/proshow.asp?mid=2&sid=0&tid=0&cid=1&scid=13&id=5045&page=1
below is the "standard" version i ordered. notice the difference:
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I found on Ebay : Nillkin 9H Full Body Tempered Glass Screen Protector for Samsung Galaxy S6 G920F [Black]
Item# 181707655228
This is exactly as you show full screen coverage.

jimmydee62 said:
I found on Ebay : Nillkin 9H Full Body Tempered Glass Screen Protector for Samsung Galaxy S6 G920F [Black]
Item# 181707655228
This is exactly as you show full screen coverage.
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thanks. i think i'm going to wait for a better seller, though.

i got a ringke fusion case today and in the pack was screen protectors for the front and back there is a leaflet with them that say:
"galaxy s6 screen protectors are designed smaller than the actual screen of the device this is due to the curved edges or devices, it will improve installation processes and prevent films from damage by causing it to lift and allow dust in between screen protector and your device. this is due to the nature of the galaxy s6"

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Clarivue Screen Tempered Glass Screen Protector [Mini Review]EDIT:PARTIAL REFUND

EDIT: 8/1/13; Escalated via Paypal today and got resolution today for a partial refund of $20. I Clarivue offered a screen protector as a replacement and I declined. However, I requested a partial refund of $20.
EDIT: 7/29/13; I have been in email conversation with Clarivue and they are not on the up an up. Point being when I ordered, there were no pictures, no claims that the screen protector was made smaller to accommodate the curved glass of the N4. If there were such pictures, why did I ask if there were cut outs for the prox sensor and front cam? They will not even give me a new one to try out again without shelling out another $10 bux. They have lost me as a customer at this point and I suggest that people take heed in this my review and take it for what it's worth. Unfortunately, not worth 27 bux. It's a shame. Like I said, the glass is smooth, but the size just kills it for me. Clarivue claiming that all of this was disclosed when the glass was posted for sale on the site. I know what I did or did not see on that site.
Clarivue screen protector for the nexus 4. Not horrible but the protector is too short and not wide enough. It just covers the width of the screen. So I had to lift to readjust and because of that the side adhesive does not seat on the screen anymore as you can see in the pic. I am back using the iloome screen protector which I took off to try this and it stuck right like it was brand new.
Bottom line, if you have a TPU case or Seidio case of the same sort that has a large lip covering the screen, this may be the perfect protector for you. Using the phone with it was actually pretty responsive, I say a tiny bit better than the iloome, but that's just using for a few minutes.
I was so hoping this was THE protector to get. It's not for me. I mean it just barely fits and does not cover the entire screen like the iloome does. I can foresee dust and debris digging in there pretty easily, especially for me if I kept using it with the sides not seating anymore.
I will place an email to Clarivue. I have spoken to Alex before purchasing this and was told there would be a "restocking fee" but no refunds on these. I'll report back on what he/they say.
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kpjimmy said:
Clarivue screen protector for the nexus 4. Not horrible but the protector is too short and not wide enough. It just covers the width of the screen. So I had to lift to readjust and because of that the side adhesive does not seat on the screen anymore as you can see in the pic. I am back using the iloome screen protector which I took off to try this and it stuck right like it was brand new.
Bottom line, if you have a TPU case or Seidio case of the same sort that has a large lip covering the screen, this may be the perfect protector for you. Using the phone with it was actually pretty responsive, I say a tiny bit better than the iloome, but that's just using for a few minutes.
I was so hoping this was THE protector to get. It's not for me. I mean it just barely fits and does not cover the entire screen like the iloome does. I can foresee dust and debris digging in there pretty easily, especially for me if I kept using it with the sides not seating anymore.
I will place an email to Clarivue. I have spoken to Alex before purchasing this and was told there would be a "restocking fee" but no refunds on these. I'll report back on what he/they say.
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I seem to be having the same issue with the protector, it just won't adhere to the sides of the screen. I have removed and reapplied it but nothing has improved. I will talk to them and see what happens since I have bought two of these.
I just want to be clear, The adhesive was fine when you first applied it but once you remove and reapply the adhesive becomes weak? or was it weak since the first application?
freezeburn said:
I just want to be clear, The adhesive was fine when you first applied it but once you remove and reapply the adhesive becomes weak? or was it weak since the first application?
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I thought it was my fault but based on Android9000's post, he/she is having the same issue around the edges.
How about the fingerprints and the sensitivity of the screen?
Is it better than the iloome or even the MaruLabssilly
Thanks.
ping42 said:
How about the fingerprints and the sensitivity of the screen?
Is it better than the iloome or even the MaruLabssilly
Thanks.
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It handle's fingerprints pretty good actually. The sensitivity is good as well. If I can use PIE UI, then it passes muster in my book :laugh:, but the size of it or lack of it IMO holds it back from being a recommend from me.
I'm more upset that you're cheating on your Nexus 4 with an HTC One...
LOL! JUST KIDDING!
Yeah, I mentioned that it looked WAY too short all around from the press shot which is why I wasn't even considering buying one but thank you for the review.
I think I'll try iloome + Ringke Slim. Do you think the iloome will fit well with the Ringke Slim? Thank you.
Sent from my Nexus 4
FallN said:
I'm more upset that you're cheating on your Nexus 4 with an HTC One...
LOL! JUST KIDDING!
Yeah, I mentioned that it looked WAY too short all around from the press shot which is why I wasn't even considering buying one but thank you for the review.
I think I'll try iloome + Ringke Slim. Do you think the iloome will fit well with the Ringke Slim? Thank you.
Sent from my Nexus 4
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That HTC One is my wife's work phone . I have the diztronic ultra slim and try that on Monday when I get back in the office with the iloome.
Thanks for the review. Two important things for me is how the screen reacts to fingerprint marks and touch sensitivity. Well, although the size is not really optimal, this protector is one of my favorite choices now.
kpjimmy said:
Clarivue screen protector for the nexus 4. Not horrible but the protector is too short and not wide enough. It just covers the width of the screen. So I had to lift to readjust and because of that the side adhesive does not seat on the screen anymore as you can see in the pic. I am back using the iloome screen protector which I took off to try this and it stuck right like it was brand new.
Bottom line, if you have a TPU case or Seidio case of the same sort that has a large lip covering the screen, this may be the perfect protector for you. Using the phone with it was actually pretty responsive, I say a tiny bit better than the iloome, but that's just using for a few minutes.
I was so hoping this was THE protector to get. It's not for me. I mean it just barely fits and does not cover the entire screen like the iloome does. I can foresee dust and debris digging in there pretty easily, especially for me if I kept using it with the sides not seating anymore.
I will place an email to Clarivue. I have spoken to Alex before purchasing this and was told there would be a "restocking fee" but no refunds on these. I'll report back on what he/they say.
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Chris_n00bz said:
Thanks for the review. Two important things for me is how the screen reacts to fingerprint marks and touch sensitivity. Well, although the size is not really optimal, this protector is one of my favorite choices now.
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That's the only thing, I mean the only thing! Size counts here! lol Well that and the side adhesive giving out so easily. You don't have that issue?
OP Updated with the latest Clarivue news. Bottom line, they will not give me a replacement without shelling out 10 bux. And this screen protector being utterly useless, I just wasted $27.
Remember the sides not adhering properly? I though it was me. Apparently I don't think so anymore. Check out their pic on their own site with the adhesive not on the screen on the bottom right.
Yeah, this one looked worse that the Marulabs to me which is why I immediately ruled it out as an option. Just poorly designed and bad adhesive.
They really should refund your money. If I were you, I'd do a charge back with your CC or dispute with PayPal.
Sent from my Nexus 4
FallN said:
Yeah, this one looked worse that the Marulabs to me which is why I immediately ruled it out as an option. Just poorly designed and bad adhesive.
They really should refund your money. If I were you, I'd do a charge back with your CC or dispute with PayPal.
Sent from my Nexus 4
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I just did lol. Now I have one pending on Maru and now on Clarivue.
DO NOT BUY the Clarivue!!
bottom line, buy either the iloome or sir lancelot's armor
Here's my mini review of the SLA glass protector
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44152632&postcount=23
Paypal dispute accepted my partial refund request
Opened up a dispute yesterday, escalated it today and got my partial refund of $20! :victory:
I see the slight bit of lift around the edge it doesn't bother me tho. With the screen on you can't see it. And it is convex at the edge, and with the screen off it makes it look a little wider than it really is. Also it does stick to the edge but its not quite as tight.
It doesn't have an adhesive backing it is a protective silicone layer. Its not sticky at all
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium HD app. The glass goes from edge to edge on the displayed pucture
Overall your not gonna get any better with a flat piece of glass since it runs perfectly between the display under the glass of the screen
djdunn said:
I see the slight bit of lift around the edge it doesn't bother me tho. With the screen on you can't see it. And it is convex at the edge, and with the screen off it makes it look a little wider than it really is. Also it does stick to the edge but its not quite as tight.
It doesn't have an adhesive backing it is a protective silicone layer. Its not sticky at all
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium HD app. The glass goes from edge to edge on the displayed pucture
Overall your not gonna get any better with a flat piece of glass since it runs perfectly between the display under the glass of the screen
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I am glad you like it. I for one do not. Ok if it's not adhesive, it doesn't fit flush on the screen then. Even the picture from Clarivue shows that effect, which fails for me. If you like it, that's all that matters right?
Looks like Clariveu read your review and did some more editing in their product description that I don't remember seeing before.
Quote: We recommend installing the glass protector closer to the top of the phone to avoid bubbles near the bottom.

[Q] Halo Effect. What is it?

Still looking for a decent glass screen protector for my note 4, and now people mention the halo effect being an issue... not to sure what that is. Can anyone tell me?
Also do any of the screen protectors glass or otherwise actually cover the entire front of the phone?
HerRoyalDykeness said:
Still looking for a decent glass screen protector for my note 4, and now people mention the halo effect being an issue... not to sure what that is. Can anyone tell me?
Also do any of the screen protectors glass or otherwise actually cover the entire front of the phone?
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The screen is curved at the edges. So if you use a glass protector it will be sticking out (about 4mm) all around the edges. Right away it looks bad, because you can see that the screen protector is not sticking all the way to the edge. In a few days it becomes very very bad once it picks up dust and lint from the pockets. It doesn't really look like a halo (a ring of light), but rather a ring of garbage.
Hahaha first have to say I like your username. The halo effect with glass screenprotector is caused because the edges of the screen seems to be rounded off. As a glass screenprotector is not flexible it does not make full contact on the edges of the screen. This is causing de the so called halo effects AFAIK
Kind regards
ozaghloul said:
The screen is curved at the edges. So if you use a glass protector it will be sticking out (about 4mm) all around the edges. Right away it looks bad, because you can see that the screen protector is not sticking all the way to the edge. In a few days it becomes very very bad once it picks up dust and lint from the pockets. It doesn't really look like a halo (a ring of light), but rather a ring of garbage.
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Ahh... I see I have had that in the past will nearly all screen protectors I have bought (never had a glass one and still havent yet) now I understand the effect. I do find it can be mitigated by the cases used but more often than not the protector starts looking grubby and comes up at the edges so much so I need to replace it. Thanks for informing me!
I had one on currently. It did not cover the edge of screen (black glass) fully. Not sticking fully at side. Can see gap. There alittle bubble at side but not visible.
What annoy me is the rainbow light effect at the side when i use my note 4. Not visible on dark background.
Lol. The rainbow effect is halo?
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... is the rainbow light effect at the side when i use my note 4. Not visible on dark background. ... rainbow effect is halo?
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nope, that's just the rainbow effect.
I thought the Halo effect also included when the screen protectors were cut too short, and had an excess gap from phone edge to protector edge. Haven't a gap is necessarily a bad thing if one is using a case that wraps around the edge, but does not include a screen protector like many of the cheaper TPU or hybrid cases.
Another type of halo?
I hadn't thought of the halo as being where a glass screen protector isn't sticking to the curved edges of the screen, but that does make more sense than a separate sort of "halo" that I've observed and disliked. Namely, even for a screen protector cut narrow so that it only covers the flat screen surface, I've still seen a perimeter "ring" that was distracting, not seeming to be 100% optically transparent. After removing the Bear Motion (not to fault them, but rather I suspect this is common to many brands of glass screen protectors) screen protector, I examined it under a 10x magnifier and confirmed my suspicion, that the PET film the glass is layered with, is cut smaller than the glass itself. The result is that a perimeter margin exists where, presumably, there is only glass, and maybe the reason it doesn't seem 100% optically transparent is due to the polishing to achieve the rounded edge. No expert here, this is just pure speculation on my part, but nonehtheless, I don't like the visual appearance this results in when the screen protector is applied to my SGN4 screen.
I'd be interested in seeing a tempered glass screen protector where the manufacturer does have 100% exact matching cuts of each layer of material used in making the protectors. Moreover, should the oleophobic coating introduce any "tinting" for lack of a better word, then I'd also like to know the coating is also 100% edge-to-ege on the protector so that no matter where one looks, there are no margins but just 100% edge-to-ege optical transparency through all layers.
For now, I'm of the opinion that the best screen protector for the SGN4 may well be the premium PET film protectors rather than tempered glass ones. For use with my Platinum series (Best Buy's "Seidio Surface" case) case, the glass screen protectors seem almost too thick to use, as the case is a very snug fit across the face of the phone. Holding the phone in the case, there is a feeling of some give to the case which may be just enough extra room to use a PET film screen protector that extends over the screen curves and allows the case to slip on without snagging an edge. That said, I'm very tempted to just use my phone with the screen in "naked gorilla mode". That is...just the bare Gorilla Glass screen.
Cheers,
Ambress
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Rainbow effect normal? Other glass protector have this too?
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Jesus christ. I just paid $30 at some Chinese place and the fit looks alright (99% pixels covered). It I see this in a week, I will be beyond pissed. The store will get an earful if they play the we didn't sell this to you since I paid cash.
Edit - welp, go figure. Small halo (1-2mm for now) about 2 hours after install. Too bad I am gone, next time I will be in the area is a week from now... Not sure if I should go back tomorrow... What a ****ing piss off. Should have went with my intuition.
that's awful. I would have a ton of dirt under it after a week.
I went with amFIlm Premium Screen Protector. It's not good, nor bad. You get a pack of three for $4. It's not glass, but it's not a mutlilayer plastic either. It doens't feel like glass. It's dry application. It does cover viewable screen. Does have some flex so you can get it not do the halo thing. I personally applied and the put the GN4 between a bunch of books for a few hours to make sure it adhere well. Since it's cheap, it's not a big deal if it scratches; better than the actual glass.
This give some time for the everyone else to try out the more expensive screen protectors and thus, we can read and see their results. Personally, I'm waiting for the Just Like Glass people to decide if they're going to release something. I wrote them and was told they might carry it and that the owner was considering getting a Note 4, who would be the genie pig for the fitting.
Just remove glass sp & have it check for scratches and dirt. Wipe it clean too. Pasted a new snti glare guard since sweaty palm. It look good without bubble and goid touch too.
My experience so far
So far as i can tell there are no 100% perfect screen tempered glass screen protectors out there. i Myself have a spigen slim tr installed on a black Note 4 with a titanium Verus iron shield and you can barely see any halo. Honestly the little halo i do see is less thick then business card and barely thicker then a sheet of standard paper. I do not have my hopes up at all that we will see a tempered glass protector that is 100% perfect because it would also require users to install it 100% flawless. Its glass guys, there's no real give, unless they use an adhesive that will fill in the gaps, but that may inhibit the spen functionality which then negates the purchase of the Note all together. I would recommend to anyone doing their own install, to use the bathroom steam prep method, along with the hinge method. These two together prove to be the most effective in avoiding any issues. That being said, i am unable to really tell if what i am seeing is truly a halo effect, or the curvature on the glass refracting the light. its been on for over 2 weeks and has dealt with my day to day wear and tear which includes going to the office, gym, bars, outdoors for a hike, all without any shifting or scratches. Either way i am thrilled with the application of my screen protector and wish you all the best in yours.
Halo efect solution
I have a note 4, bought a cheap screenprotector, so, i did now the problem of halo with my old screenprotector, i had some glue from my whitestone screenprotector from my note 9, so i used that glue for my note 4 with the sceap screenprotector, results are very good, no halo at all, did come out very nice, applied it the same way as normal with a whistone protector, so, maybe i can help someone with this system, i don't know where you can buy this glue seperate, mine was from whitestone, maybe someone knowes were you can buy this glue, in the future i will only do it this way, i can recoment this, by the way, excuse me for my poor english, i don't do this every day, i'm from the netherlands
tnx for the first time

Nillkin CP+ tempered glass screen protector - completely covers the screen

i found this on Nillkin's website. it looks like they made a version where it covers the complete front of the screen, even below the home button. this is the only glass screen protector i've seen that completely covers the front of the S6. all the others leave a noticeable gap at the sides, top, and don't cover the area under the home button. it looks like a complete replacement for the glass, but one you stick on.
unfortunately, i can't find it for sale anywhere ... yet. if someone does, please post the link.
update:
they're starting to show up on ebay. search for "samsung s6 glass full" and/or "samsung s6 cp+"
http://www.nillkin.com/english/proshow.asp?mid=2&sid=0&tid=0&cid=1&scid=13&id=5045&page=1
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below is the "standard" version i ordered. notice the difference:
Will be looking into this in the coming week. One of the biggest thing besides the typical responsiveness and screen clarity priorities was this:
the tempered glass CURVES to fit the curved edge of the S6's screen. This is huge and I am hoping to god it fits perfectly and flawlessly as they claim. i'll keep you updated
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the tempered glass CURVES to fit the curved edge of the S6's screen. This is huge and I am hoping to god it fits perfectly and flawlessly as they claim. i'll keep you updated
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The tempered glass does not curve to fit the edge. The 2.5D refers to the edge of the tempered glass being cut to have a curve instead of being flat. They do this for feel and durability. Also, screen protectors like these haven't been very durable (sides chip easily) on the iPhone 6/6+ since they don't match the curvature of the phone's glass. The reason the bezels on this tempered glass are colored is to hide the halo that would otherwise be present around the edges if it were all clear.
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The tempered glass does not curve to fit the edge. The 2.5D refers to the edge of the tempered glass being cut to have a curve instead of being flat. They do this for feel and durability. Also, screen protectors like these haven't been very durable (sides chip easily) on the iPhone 6/6+ since they don't match the curvature of the phone's glass. The reason the bezels on this tempered glass are colored is to hide the halo that would otherwise be present around the edges if it were all clear.
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didn't realize that what the reason for the colored bezels. but just as long as the screen protector covers the entire screen and doesn't lift, i'll be happy
I found them for sale HERE
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il buono said:
The tempered glass does not curve to fit the edge. The 2.5D refers to the edge of the tempered glass being cut to have a curve instead of being flat. They do this for feel and durability. Also, screen protectors like these haven't been very durable (sides chip easily) on the iPhone 6/6+ since they don't match the curvature of the phone's glass. The reason the bezels on this tempered glass are colored is to hide the halo that would otherwise be present around the edges if it were all clear.
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Yup! That's why its colored. The side effect of that is you get a solid color on the front and more protection. If its made well, I'm interested. Problem is some of the "colored" screen protectors only use adhesive on the colored portion. So the clear area is just glass floating on glass. Effects touch sensitivity. I'm hoping that's not the case as I would prefer a full screen vs a smaller fit.
Seed 2.0 said:
I found them for sale HERE
Available Shipping Methods:
Ship Service/Ship cost/Total Cost
China Post + Tracking Number US$ 0.00 US$ 20.69
Hongkong Post + Tracking Number US$ 1.50 US$ 22.19
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I ordered it...we shall see! I figured the timing of this writing will match the timing of when I get my phone
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Yup! That's why its colored. The side effect of that is you get a solid color on the front and more protection. If its made well, I'm interested. Problem is some of the "colored" screen protectors only use adhesive on the colored portion. So the clear area is just glass floating on glass. Effects touch sensitivity. I'm hoping that's not the case as I would prefer a full screen vs a smaller fit.
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i read the reviews on the versions for the iphone 6 and they say that the adhesive is only on the screen portion, not the "colored" parts. consequently, dust gets under the screen protector and it starts to lift. i'm hoping they improved the design with their "arc screen technology."
i've only found one seller on ebay so far: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nillkin-9H-...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a4e9ec83c
the price is about $5 bucks cheaper than caseinthebox.com and they both ship from China. however, the seller is relatively new and their rating is 98.7%. YMMV
i just came across this "full coverage" glass screen protector from a brand called Benks. i've never heard of it, but the claims appear to be identical to Nillkins'.
Benks adopts the latest development technology for the curved screen, by which glass protective film can cover the curved edge completely and perfectly.
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hmmmm ... :fingers-crossed:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Benks-OKR-9...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item3aa6a58531
website: http://en.benks.com.cn/index.aspx
1lazysheep said:
i read the reviews on the versions for the iphone 6 and they say that the adhesive is only on the screen portion, not the "colored" parts. consequently, dust gets under the screen protector and it starts to lift. i'm hoping they improved the design with their "arc screen technology."
i've only found one seller on ebay so far: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nillkin-9H-...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a4e9ec83c
the price is about $5 bucks cheaper than caseinthebox.com and they both ship from China. however, the seller is relatively new and their rating is 98.7%. YMMV
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Thanks for link! Have read the feedback of seller, seems offer amazing service. Will try.
Did anyone get one these?
i am using 1 for a week now...it fits perfectly though i screwed up while installation...have a few air bubbles on the sides but its fine...i've ordered another just in case...got it from aliexpress...good seller
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NILL...d-Glass-Screen-Protector-For/32316162495.html
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Did anyone get one these?
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I got mine in yesterday in black, it completely covers the front you would think it was a black s6 if you didn't know I put it on there. Clarity is very good too, now to see how it lasts for day to day use. For the most part though I was very pleased with the results, the only thing was at the start the edge kept lifting on one side a bit but I woke up this morning and it sealed down completely around the edges.
151669300216
Apparently I can't post links yet but that's the item number just Google that item number and put ebay at the end it should show up. This is the buyer I bought it from I checked it on nilkins website and it was authentic.:good:
Any pictures of it installed?
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Any pictures of it installed?
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I had to use my old nexus 4 work phone to take pictures so they are pretty terrible but as you can see it goes to every edge and piece of the phone perfectly. I'm a perfectionist when it comes to my screens and I can comfortably say that it impressed me (especially that I got no dust or anything under the screen or bubbles)
Nice. I just wish they didn't color the glass.
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I had to use my old nexus 4 work phone to take pictures so they are pretty terrible but as you can see it goes to every edge and piece of the phone perfectly. I'm a perfectionist when it comes to my screens and I can comfortably say that it impressed me (especially that I got no dust or anything under the screen or bubbles)
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Looks good, thanks for the pictures.
Would have been nicer if it was clear but you can't complain about the coverage I guess
Is there adhesive on the actual display area or is it free floating like the Moshi?
I honestly don't know when installing there was film on both the edge and main screen portion with a slit in between for what I assume was for the screen to curve to the edges

Plastic Screen Protector

After dealing with Halo on my Nexus 6 with glass protectors, I'm not even going to bother with glass for this phone. I have not ordered the phone yet because I was waiting for a good case and a good plastic screen protector. I found the case I wanted (Supcase Unicorn Beetle) and it will be released on the 25th. Does anyone have a really good plastic screen protector, or know where I can find one? All I can find on Amazon are ones with either bad reviews or no reviews at all. I have some time since I won't be ordering the phone until the case comes in. Thanks in advance!
Wondering this as well, especially since things aren't looking too good from reading the "tempered glass" screen protectors thread (at least until more of them are released). Anyone have any good or decent experiences with plastic screen protectors yet?
I found this one - http://amzn.to/1OaPLU1
I placed my order and will be installing it on mine and my wifes when I get the phone in.
I ordered these
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZS44QUS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
Seem to be just as good as the ones I always bought from Verizon store. I also cant deal with the glass ones. They either dont fit to the edge of the screen or they pass the edge of the glass screen where the curve starts to drop off and then they chip also.
I ended up ordering XtremeGuard screen protector - http://www.ebay.com/itm/231637665779?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
$1.99 for 6. I heard the XtremeGuard Spartan tempered glass were good (which they are not making for the MXPE). So if the tempered glass is good, I'm guessing the regular ones are just as good. These are the dry versions which I prefer and never had an issue with bubble or dust (I just lift up the edge/side closes to dust and use an extra long piece of tape to grab the particles). They also have a wet application for the front and rear.
iazybandit said:
I ended up ordering XtremeGuard screen protector - http://www.ebay.com/itm/231637665779?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
$1.99 for 6. I heard the XtremeGuard Spartan tempered glass were good (which they are not making for the MXPE). So if the tempered glass is good, I'm guessing the regular ones are just as good. These are the dry versions which I prefer and never had an issue with bubble or dust (I just lift up the edge/side closes to dust and use an extra long piece of tape to grab the particles). They also have a wet application for the front and rear.
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I just got mine in yesterday...don't use the bumper with the screen protector. It'll just goof it all up. I'm just dealing with it until I can get a real case. The screen protector is OK...gets oily from your fingers and smudges like crazy but for that cheap, I'll deal with it until decent tempered glass comes out.
I wound up ordering this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZS2HKQ2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
I have Illumishield for my 3DS and it works great. All of the negative reviews are for the glass, so I ordered the plastic and hopefully it will work well! I'll let everyone know when my phone arrives.
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I wound up ordering this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZS2HKQ2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
I have Illumishield for my 3DS and it works great. All of the negative reviews are for the glass, so I ordered the plastic and hopefully it will work well! I'll let everyone know when my phone arrives.
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Just got mine today. They fit, but definitely seem like they are not for this phone. Corners are rounded way.differently of a radius and the sensors and camera spots up top seem very generic of a cut.
I already sent an email to the seller on Amazon billing hoping they revise the design.
carlz28 said:
Just got mine today. They fit, but definitely seem like they are not for this phone. Corners are rounded way.differently of a radius and the sensors and camera spots up top seem very generic of a cut.
I already sent an email to the seller on Amazon billing hoping they revise the design.
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Besides the fit, did they apply easy and do they feel pretty good?
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Besides the fit, did they apply easy and do they feel pretty good?
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Yes. Feel is very smooth. Easy to apply. Minimal bubbles that are easy to push out. I've used iLlumishield many times before. Probably top 3 in quality. I'm sure the first run was probably used from a template that was sent to them. If they get an actual phone in hand, the fit will be spot on.
People still use screen protectors.. You do know the only way u can scratch up ur screen or crack it is dropping it on a bunch of small rocks or face first on concrete without a raised bumper case.., only fine grits of rocks and sand scratches gorilla glass.. Yea is no saphire glass but still..
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People still use screen protectors.. You do know the only way u can scratch up ur screen or crack it is dropping it on a bunch of small rocks or face first on concrete without a raised bumper case.., only fine grits of rocks and sand scratches gorilla glass.. Yea is no saphire glass but still..
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They are so cheap and this way I can ensure I won't get any small surface scratches. It also keeps the screen pristine for when I resell my phone.
StreetkillnHD said:
People still use screen protectors.. You do know the only way u can scratch up ur screen or crack it is dropping it on a bunch of small rocks or face first on concrete without a raised bumper case.., only fine grits of rocks and sand scratches gorilla glass.. Yea is no saphire glass but still..
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all it takes is a bit of sand in your pocket and you will get scratches....gorilla glass isnt all that great, better than standard but i learned my lesson from no screen protector on my samsung phones
StreetkillnHD said:
People still use screen protectors.. You do know the only way u can scratch up ur screen or crack it is dropping it on a bunch of small rocks or face first on concrete without a raised bumper case.., only fine grits of rocks and sand scratches gorilla glass.. Yea is no saphire glass but still..
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All it takes is just that one little bit.
chris23445 said:
They are so cheap and this way I can ensure I won't get any small surface scratches. It also keeps the screen pristine for when I resell my phone.
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Exactly. It barely costs nothing. I have a plastic screen protector and I smacked my phone against the edge of my aluminum Apple keyboard. It damaged the screen protector but my screen is scratch free.
I know that when I sell my LG G3, I can say that the screen is scratch free and in pristine condition because it was protected.
Has there been any consensus on what the best screen protector is yet? Wet or Dry?
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Has there been any consensus on what the best screen protector is yet? Wet or Dry?
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I never used wet. Even though a phone may be waterproof in terms of drops, I don't ever want to squeegee water out from a screen protector only for it to get trapped in the crevice of the screen.
I personally prefer the dry only because it uses static to cling on and stays on. If there is dust or particles underneath, all I have to do is lift up the side closest and take an extra long piece of tape and use it to grab the particles. Repeat this until it is particle free and you have a flawless screen protector.
In the past, the screen protector was sticky and if something got stuck underneath, that was it. It would be hard to remove the particle.
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Besides the fit, did they apply easy and do they feel pretty good?
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Just a follow up, they will be shipping a new version for free soon. Excellent customer service from iLlumishield. Maybe check in with them and see if you can get the same
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Just a follow up, they will be shipping a new version for free soon. Excellent customer service from iLlumishield. Maybe check in with them and see if you can get the same
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Awesome! I will probably contact them once I receive mine then, since mine will be the older version. Thanks!!
All XtremeGuard is 90% off. coupon:MEGA90
https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/3lcg5p/90_off_xtremeguardcom/
Here is the MXPE Screen protector http://www.xtremeguard.com/Motorola...to_x_pureed_screen_protector.htm#.Vftgcn1s_Ag
Wet/Dry/Front/Back
ErikHellstrom said:
All XtremeGuard is 90% off. coupon:MEGA90
https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/3lcg5p/90_off_xtremeguardcom/
Here is the MXPE Screen protector http://www.xtremeguard.com/Motorola...to_x_pureed_screen_protector.htm#.Vftgcn1s_Ag
Wet/Dry/Front/Back
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Awesome! Thanks for this - just placed an order for the Hi Def Dry screen protector (which I assume is traditional PET). Can't beat 60 cents!

Do not buy "LK brand" tempered glass screen protector

This is the screen protector I bought:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071GXH1QS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It is by far the worst quality of any glass screen protector I have ever used or seen. The adhesive does not even come close to the outside of the glass, the glass is 1-2mm too small for the phone screen, outdoors you can see spots aligned in rows and columns all over it, and you can see weird vertical streak mark things in the right light.
I realize the spots are common to all glass screen protectors, but never have I seen them so pronounced and visible.
Here are pictures of how bad it looks:
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On another note, I hate what Foxcon did to the edges of the phone. It looks like to make the titanium rounded they just hand sanded it into a round shape with course grit sandpaper. It feels terrible and looks all scratched up and nasty. Very low quality for this phone.
How much does the edge of the glass curve on the phone? If that protector is more or less flat out to the edge, is the phone starting the glass curve that far in where the adhesive is showing? That pretty much makes any glass screen protector not built with a curve in it useless if that's the case.
EniGmA1987 said:
This is the screen protector I bought:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071GXH1QS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It is by far the worst quality of any glass screen protector I have ever used or seen. The adhesive does not even come close to the outside of the glass, the glass is 1-2mm too small for the phone screen, outdoors you can see spots aligned in rows and columns all over it, and you can see weird vertical streak mark things in the right light.
I realize the spots are common to all glass screen protectors, but never have I seen them so pronounced and visible.
Here are pictures of how bad it looks:
On another note, I hate what Foxcon did to the edges of the phone. It looks like to make the titanium rounded they just hand sanded it into a round shape with course grit sandpaper. It feels terrible and looks all scratched up and nasty. Very low quality for this phone.
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Can you get us a close-up shot of the sanding your talking about, please?
IM0001 said:
How much does the edge of the glass curve on the phone? If that protector is more or less flat out to the edge, is the phone starting the glass curve that far in where the adhesive is showing? That pretty much makes any glass screen protector not built with a curve in it useless if that's the case.
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This^^^^
I wondered the same thing.
I hate the heck out of this curved screen craze everyone followed Apple/Samsung on. My favorite screen was on my LG G3 and 6P. Nice and flat with straight edges, screen protectors just blend in nearly invisibly and the feel was good. I feel with these curved screen that even naked, they just don't track as well and overall force you to use it naked or have a screen protector that is obviously on it and can't fit perfectly since they only make curved ones for iPhone or Samsung edges.
And if you do run it naked, the curved edge will scratch guaranteed over time even if the main front doesn't.
I bought the sparin brand glass screen protector from Amazon and it looks nearly identical to this.
Looks like film protectors will be the only option here..
If you apply it absolutely perfectly, it can take a bit of time for it to "settle" as well. Keep some pressure on the edges to see if it can adhere a bit better.
I was afraid of this though as it looks similar to the issue Nokia Lumias had. Blast those stupid curved edges. If I could just get a Nexus 6P 2 with the internals of todays phones I would so totally jump on that.
Luckily going by the ones I Got on Amazon the only review says they fit perfectly, so I guess I'll see in a week.
Same issue with the Halnziye Tempered Glass Screen Protector I bought off Amazon. Anyone have any they had success with?
IM0001 said:
How much does the edge of the glass curve on the phone? If that protector is more or less flat out to the edge, is the phone starting the glass curve that far in where the adhesive is showing? That pretty much makes any glass screen protector not built with a curve in it useless if that's the case.
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Maybe it is ever so slightly curved, but to my eyes it looks flat up until a 1-2mm curve at the very edges. It is really hard to get a good picture of it with my other phone because it cant focus so well on something so small and close, so this is the best I could do:
http://i.imgur.com/WtikEyJ.jpg
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Can you get us a close-up shot of the sanding your talking about, please?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73615506&postcount=23
Hmm it does look curved. Any chance you could put a soft yet firmly heavy book on the screen for a bit to see if you can get those edges to adhere a bit better?
Anyone tried the liquid screen protectors? They might also work on the back of the device. Although I wonder if the coating would interfere with a dbrand whenever those ship?
IM0001 said:
If you apply it absolutely perfectly, it can take a bit of time for it to "settle" as well. Keep some pressure on the edges to see if it can adhere a bit better.
I was afraid of this though as it looks similar to the issue Nokia Lumias had. Blast those stupid curved edges. If I could just get a Nexus 6P 2 with the internals of todays phones I would so totally jump on that.
Luckily going by the ones I Got on Amazon the only review says they fit perfectly, so I guess I'll see in a week.
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I have this brand sitting my desk waiting for a phone to ship...
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
I had luck with previous phones and this brand so I bought it for the PH-1.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0747911H7/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
MP-Mall brand is also bad. There probably is only 1 manufacturer for tempered glass. All all of them are re-branded to show there are several suppliers.
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MP-Mall brand is also bad. There probably is only 1 manufacturer for tempered glass. All all of them are re-branded to show there are several suppliers.
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If the screen isn't flat, mine is going back.
I don't want a curved screen phone.
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Anyone tried the liquid screen protectors? They might also work on the back of the device. Although I wonder if the coating would interfere with a dbrand whenever those ship?
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yes, and honestly , they do a little bit of the job but are still weak. i doubt they would work on ceramic back though, im pretty theres a chemical bond they make to glass only
km8j said:
Anyone tried the liquid screen protectors? They might also work on the back of the device. Although I wonder if the coating would interfere with a dbrand whenever those ship?
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I'm going to be trying out the Ghostguard invisible liquid protector from Liquipel. That is if I decide to keep the Essential over my U11. Either way, I'll let you know how it goes when I receive the Essential next week. And you get a year of "if you break it, we fix it" from Liquipel. It should do very well against scratches (from videos I've watched, even compared to tempered glass), but definitely not cracks or shattered screens if dropped.
However, even with no protection on several of my past devices, I never had a scratch or worse. I take very good care of my phones. And if I decide to keep the Essential, I'm hoping fitbag releases their sleeves for it.
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yes, and honestly , they do a little bit of the job but are still weak. i doubt they would work on ceramic back though, im pretty theres a chemical bond they make to glass only
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Yea I dont think will work on the ceramic. Guess we are waiting for dbrand!
hx3 said:
I'm going to be trying out the Ghostguard invisible liquid protector from Liquipel. That is if I decide to keep the Essential over my U11. Either way, I'll let you know how it goes when I receive the Essential next week. And you get a year of "if you break it, we fix it" from Liquipel. It should do very well against scratches (from videos I've watched, even compared to tempered glass), but definitely not cracks or shattered screens if dropped.
However, even with no protection on several of my past devices, I never had a scratch or worse. I take very good care of my phones. And if I decide to keep the Essential, I'm hoping fitbag releases their sleeves for it.
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Thats cool. I have read good things about the liquid protectors. What I cannot for the life of me figure out is the difference between the glass protector ones and the liquid protection (like flash flood). They all have the same selling points and water beads up off of all of them. The liquid option seems like a good way to preserve the minimalism of the PH1. I saw a review where someone had the matte black dbrand on the back and it looks outstanding.
I don't think any glass protectors will work since this screen isn't flat. What Happened to the good old days where the screen was just a flat piece of glass that edged up against a bevel without all this curved 2.5D madness
foodplz said:
I don't think any glass protectors will work since this screen isn't flat. What Happened to the good old days where the screen was just a flat piece of glass that edged up against a bevel without all this curved 2.5D madness
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I don't know, but my Nexus 6P has a flat screen. I don't like the curved screen craze.
My PH-1 will probably be going back.
All the GSPs I've seen have the same issues on the Essential. I just posted my Amazon review https://www.amazon.com/gp/review/RF8OVSR1N1VK?ref_=glimp_1rv_cl
I had minimal issues and expected to have the issue that the OP had. But if you don't want to go to my review to look at the pics here they are attached. You can use the Olive Oil trick to achieve the same results, at your own risk of course.
But I'm diggin it right now and very happy with it after the olive oil, before I was just going to deal with it.

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