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Hey everyone,
Well it's great to see that the XDA community is still as vibrant as it was the last time I visited (which was quite some time ago). For those of you who remember, the last time I was active on this forum, was when I made this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401882) . Now, since then a lot has happened, including the death of my HTC wizard (long story), but anyway, the short version is I was assigned to a few development projects that sadly ripped my attention away from the XDA forums and I apologize for not at the very least mentioning this fact before my departure.
I've made a few trips around the mobile phone world, and I'm seriously thinking about returning to windows mobile, primarily for development purposes. I've grown a lot as a developer during my time away from these forums, and I'm nothing but eager to jump back into the idea of making new, fresh and innovative software for a platform with endless possibilities.
Anyway, I just thought I'd drop a line to let those of you who still remember me, know that I'm alive and to keep an eye out for at least one beta project when/if I get my new WinMo phone. It would be a great encouragement, if any graphic artist out there pledged some form of support, since the lack of graphics and graphics sense was always a huge setback for me in the past.
-Chad (Thundy).
moved to general
welcome back
I tip my hat to you sir.
Welcome back!
Maybe some graphic support here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493698
Thanks for the responses guys!
Since I've been out of the WinMo loop for such a long time, I'm wondering what some of the major discussion points for future applications are. Apart from the usual shortcomings the OS itself presents to users, what are some really hot topics of interest as of recently?
In terms of apps, I've noticed A_C pretty much realized the ideas I had in my head with S2P really well. Although I never really got to try it out, but judging from the quality of his other apps, I'm 100% sure it's just as amazing!
UI seems to always have room for improvement, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any projects that look to fill the gaps that existed since the last time I was active on the forum. As a developer, I'm well aware of the challenges that new UI's present in terms of memory management etc. But I was really hopeful .
Personally, I think it would really give developers and artists a boost, if we had something else to play with in terms of developing rich user friendly interfaces for windows mobile. Maybe if the new .NET CF opened up the use of WPF technology and by extension Blend for interface building. At the very least, it would spark new interest and life into the creation of truly unique software development.
These ideas roll around in my head when I think about Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7.0 in the future!
Thoughts??
Hi folks!
Please forgive me if this is the wrong forum to post a general question about mobile app development..
So my story is that I'm mostly a graphics guy who got asked by a good friend to design a logo for his company. From there I got talked into designing his website and then into building his site. I can throw sites together but I'm no a web programmer and I advised him to hire some real web developers but aside from the fact that I would cost him less, he has trust issues and only wants to work closely with a friend ( me) and trusts my judgement and sense of design. So now I'm trying to mastermind his web presence from the front end to the back end, learning as I go. It's actually TONS of fun!
Then he came around one day asking to make him a mobile app. After the laughter subsided I explained to him the work and money that goes into that which really shocked him. However I told him I would look into what I could do for him, but that I was pretty sure this was out of my league.
I found some great services that will let you build basic mobile apps but now I've become VERY interested in the challenge of developing mobile apps from scratch and have decided to learn some programming languages to enable me to develop web/mobile apps. It seems that mobile platforms are poised to become the norm within the next decade and I would love to be part of its beginnings.
I have three questions:
1.Am I WAY out of my league here?
I ask this because a) I have NO programming experience. b) I ONLY want to use online sources and books, and c) Ideally I would like to be able to build my first app within a couple of months to a year at most.
2.What languages should I learn?
I'm feeling ambitious and want to be very thorough. I figured I should try learning c++ and Java (to an intermediate level). From there I could come around objective-C
3. the Jquery Mobile, HTML5 alternative?
I've noticed a small community of developers heralding HTML5 as the app-building tool of the future, together with JQUERY mobile...That sounds VERY appealing to me as someone who is more used to looking at web development code, and if something is 'the wave of the future' I definitely don't want to waste time learning languages that might become obsolete in a few years... But can you really build a powerful app with just these two tools?
If you've read through my entire post, I am grateful for your patience, and I hope to find some valuable insights on these forums.
Cheers!
I have read your entire post, and while I wish I could help, I'm afraid I'm in your exact situation and wonder about these things myself.
At least you got a small bump!
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lenglain said:
Hi folks!
Please forgive me if this is the wrong forum to post a general question about mobile app development..
So my story is that I'm mostly a graphics guy who got asked by a good friend to design a logo for his company. From there I got talked into designing his website and then into building his site. I can throw sites together but I'm no a web programmer and I advised him to hire some real web developers but aside from the fact that I would cost him less, he has trust issues and only wants to work closely with a friend ( me) and trusts my judgement and sense of design. So now I'm trying to mastermind his web presence from the front end to the back end, learning as I go. It's actually TONS of fun!
Then he came around one day asking to make him a mobile app. After the laughter subsided I explained to him the work and money that goes into that which really shocked him. However I told him I would look into what I could do for him, but that I was pretty sure this was out of my league.
I found some great services that will let you build basic mobile apps but now I've become VERY interested in the challenge of developing mobile apps from scratch and have decided to learn some programming languages to enable me to develop web/mobile apps. It seems that mobile platforms are poised to become the norm within the next decade and I would love to be part of its beginnings.
I have three questions:
1.Am I WAY out of my league here?
I ask this because a) I have NO programming experience. b) I ONLY want to use online sources and books, and c) Ideally I would like to be able to build my first app within a couple of months to a year at most.
2.What languages should I learn?
I'm feeling ambitious and want to be very thorough. I figured I should try learning c++ and Java (to an intermediate level). From there I could come around objective-C
3. the Jquery Mobile, HTML5 alternative?
I've noticed a small community of developers heralding HTML5 as the app-building tool of the future, together with JQUERY mobile...That sounds VERY appealing to me as someone who is more used to looking at web development code, and if something is 'the wave of the future' I definitely don't want to waste time learning languages that might become obsolete in a few years... But can you really build a powerful app with just these two tools?
If you've read through my entire post, I am grateful for your patience, and I hope to find some valuable insights on these forums.
Cheers!
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If you want an easy place to start I can recommend trying badic4android for the same reasons nasa use it, that it lets you create proper standalone android apps just as coding with java does but much quicker and easier. The site for it is basic4ppc.com if you want to check it out.
Failing that the traditional method is using the eclipse ide and android sdk to program in java.
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
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mistermentality said:
If you want an easy place to start I can recommend trying badic4android for the same reasons nasa use it, that it lets you create proper standalone android apps just as coding with java does but much quicker and easier. The site for it is basic4ppc.com if you want to check it out.
Failing that the traditional method is using the eclipse ide and android sdk to program in java.
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
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Wow thanks Dave I hadn't found this one, it seems like there are tons of resources to facilitate mobile app creation. I will probably look into these to create an app for the non-profit I work for. However, I still think I should learn some programming to become a bonafide app-developer somewhere down the line.
Do you think the objectives I've set myself (in regards to programming languages/rough time frame) are realistic?
lenglain said:
Wow thanks Dave I hadn't found this one, it seems like there are tons of resources to facilitate mobile app creation. I will probably look into these to create an app for the non-profit I work for. However, I still think I should learn some programming to become a bonafide app-developer somewhere down the line.
Do you think the objectives I've set myself (in regards to programming languages/rough time frame) are realistic?
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I think you can do it in two months with any language if you take time to study it, I tried learning java but have memory problems and so couldn't get to grips with it so I use basic4android because its very similar to languages I used as a student and was able to have a gps mapping app up and running in under an hour which surprised me.
Html5 apps can be used offline and are cross platform so would be the way to go for a wider user base as you can reach pc and smartphone users as well as those who use games consoles. You could find out more at http://diveintohtml5.info/offline.html
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
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Well I'm just a high school students but from the words of my teacher, as long as you have a mind that can write working algorithms and understand algorithms, languages are second hand, they're just tools.
Personally I find it true as I only know C yet if I look at a java code I can understand what the code does. But that might be because Java has some similarities to C, but I still appreciate the concept.
$1 gets you a reply
Programming is like any other skilled activity
I'm a life-long programmer. 33 years so far.
The quick answer is 'Probably.' You can probably write decent apps in the time frame you're looking at. I'd say you'll want to dedicate no fewer than 5 hours a day at it for that year. The simple truth is that unless you're that rare Mozart, you aren't going to write commercial quality code until you have lots of experience trying to write commercial quality code.
Hobby code... you can probably get hobby quality stuff going in a few weeks. Yes, it'll freeze and restart and throw bizarre errors, but still, that's a very cool thing.
The question then becomes one of defining the level of quality you're after and the time you're willing to devote to learning your craft.
Hi Guys (please let me know if this post is in the wrong section, and I will move it),
I am sales/marketing professional that's been in the digital/mobile app space for a while. While I am fairly technically savvy for someone in my field (self taught HTML/CSS, websites, e-commerce sites, etc..), I lack skills in languages (java, C, etc) to build my own app. I also fear that given my own work schedule and time constraints, studying and learning on my own will not yield the level of expertise required to build an app to the specifications and quality that I have in mind.
As I had said, I know the app space quite well from a marketing, user acquisition, and monetization standpoint. I am assessing the costs associated with outsourcing the development of an android app for either either:
1) A utility/productivity app - well designed, built, possibly widget
or,
2) Adventure app - bug free, 50 levels or so to start, skinnable levels
My question for you guys revolves around the feasibility of outsourcing development at a reasonable rate, expected quality, costs, time to develop, etc. I used to own a fairly successful e-commerce company on the side, and we used to outsource development but I got so sick of the lack of quality, high costs associated, and missed deadlines...that I spent 6 weeks full tilt learning to code and ended up redesigning and developing the entire site which worked out quite well in the end...but I don't believe that my innate skill sets will allow for me to learn the necessarily languages well enough for android.
So, questions for outsourcing dev:
1) What are my options - of course there's elance, freelancers of the world...and I know many game/dev studios personally...but I know they charge major premiums and typically work with clients with a much larger budget than mine?
2) For those options, what is a reasonable hourly rate, or fixed cost associated for development (I know how long it takes to do XYZ for web dev, but not with android...so I don't know how to gauge whether or not I'm being gamed/ripped off)?
3) Quality - what can I expect for the $$ investment?[/INDENT]
As well, any suggestions or referrals would be helpful as well...but I'm more looking for some guiding principles here.
Thanks for your help and time guys, I really appreciate it - also, again, if this post is in the wrong location...please let me know!
thanks!
Geo_Mojito
geo_mojito said:
Hi Guys (please let me know if this post is in the wrong section, and I will move it),
I am sales/marketing professional that's been in the digital/mobile app space for a while. While I am fairly technically savvy for someone in my field (self taught HTML/CSS, websites, e-commerce sites, etc..), I lack skills in languages (java, C, etc) to build my own app. I also fear that given my own work schedule and time constraints, studying and learning on my own will not yield the level of expertise required to build an app to the specifications and quality that I have in mind.
As I had said, I know the app space quite well from a marketing, user acquisition, and monetization standpoint. I am assessing the costs associated with outsourcing the development of an android app for either either:
1) A utility/productivity app - well designed, built, possibly widget
or,
2) Adventure app - bug free, 50 levels or so to start, skinnable levels
My question for you guys revolves around the feasibility of outsourcing development at a reasonable rate, expected quality, costs, time to develop, etc. I used to own a fairly successful e-commerce company on the side, and we used to outsource development but I got so sick of the lack of quality, high costs associated, and missed deadlines...that I spent 6 weeks full tilt learning to code and ended up redesigning and developing the entire site which worked out quite well in the end...but I don't believe that my innate skill sets will allow for me to learn the necessarily languages well enough for android.
So, questions for outsourcing dev:
1) What are my options - of course there's elance, freelancers of the world...and I know many game/dev studios personally...but I know they charge major premiums and typically work with clients with a much larger budget than mine?
2) For those options, what is a reasonable hourly rate, or fixed cost associated for development (I know how long it takes to do XYZ for web dev, but not with android...so I don't know how to gauge whether or not I'm being gamed/ripped off)?
3) Quality - what can I expect for the $$ investment?[/INDENT]
As well, any suggestions or referrals would be helpful as well...but I'm more looking for some guiding principles here.
Thanks for your help and time guys, I really appreciate it - also, again, if this post is in the wrong location...please let me know!
thanks!
Geo_Mojito
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Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/app-development
Hi Guys (please let me know if this post is in the wrong section, and I will move it),
I am sales/marketing professional that's been in the digital/mobile app space for a while. While I am fairly technically savvy for someone in my field (self taught HTML/CSS, websites, e-commerce sites, etc..), I lack skills in languages (java, C, etc) to build my own app. I also fear that given my own work schedule and time constraints, studying and learning on my own will not yield the level of expertise required to build an app to the specifications and quality that I have in mind.
As I had said, I know the app space quite well from a marketing, user acquisition, and monetization standpoint. I am assessing the costs associated with outsourcing the development of an android app for either either:
1) A utility/productivity app - well designed, built, possibly widget
or,
2) Adventure app - bug free, 50 levels or so to start, skinnable levels
My question for you guys revolves around the feasibility of outsourcing development at a reasonable rate, expected quality, costs, time to develop, etc. I used to own a fairly successful e-commerce company on the side, and we used to outsource development but I got so sick of the lack of quality, high costs associated, and missed deadlines...that I spent 6 weeks full tilt learning to code and ended up redesigning and developing the entire site which worked out quite well in the end...but I don't believe that my innate skill sets will allow for me to learn the necessarily languages well enough for android.
So, questions for outsourcing dev:
1) What are my options - of course there's elance, freelancers of the world...and I know many game/dev studios personally...but I know they charge major premiums and typically work with clients with a much larger budget than mine?
2) For those options, what is a reasonable hourly rate, or fixed cost associated for development (I know how long it takes to do XYZ for web dev, but not with android...so I don't know how to gauge whether or not I'm being gamed/ripped off)?
3) Quality - what can I expect for the $$ investment?[/INDENT]
As well, any suggestions or referrals would be helpful as well...but I'm more looking for some guiding principles here.
Thanks for your help and time guys, I really appreciate it - also, again, if this post is in the wrong location...please let me know!
thanks!
Geo_Mojito
I apologize in advance if I posted this thread in the wrong place... I appreciate all the contributors, forum admins, etc.... for all the hard work and expertise that is the backbone for the XDA community!!!
Here is my question: (for additional background info, etc... please see details below) I'm wanting to learn as much as possible about the IoT. So I have checked out starter kits for the Arduino and Rasberry Pi Platforms but not sure if 1 is better than the other or should I get both? I understand the difference in technology, specs, etc... for these 2 platforms but have no idea which 1 would best help me develop the skills necessary to find work in the IoT field. I do have some basic coding skills, expert on hardware of all types and basic soldering skills working with boards/electronics. I feel like the basic starter kits for either platform will be very boring and uninspiring... should I buy a certain starter kit and add a couple component kits? I don't mind running through the basic projects very quickly to get a quick overview on how it all works but I would prefer a greater challenge and more in depth projects. I cant find any intermediate or higher degree of experience type sets. Any assistance at all would be greatly appreciated... or if you know of any forums where I might find XDA quality professionals to mingle with...
***** (the extended, long winded and probably way too much info version)*****
I am looking for a little basic assistance\guidance on the latest hot topic, the Internet of Things (IoT). I rely on XDA for all my mobile needs. The professionals that contribute content, apps, roms, root methods, etc... are the best in the biz, truly amazing people! I have spent 2 days searching the web for info on this topic but all the info I have come across is a little too generic so I thought I would try my luck here on XDA where the real brains and experts behind all things technical congregate.
My Question is very basic but I'm hoping to get some helpful feedback or pointed in the right direction. I have worked in IT field of the Telco industry for 20yrs. Mostly designing and building multi-million dollar data centers. As manager of IT, my staff and I supported 80+ MS Servers (Exchange, IIS, SQL, PDC"s, AD, SMS). I got my MCSE in Windows NT 4.0 (you can stop laughing now... haha). I actually started the IT Dept, for a small CLEC and it all went to **** when I was promoted to Mgr. of IT, then Director of IT. I helped many techs get the latest CCNA, MCSE licenses while I was sent to "executive training seminars/courses". Just wanted to provide my experience and background.
Now I'm 45yrs old, was laid off many years ago and lost my footing in the fast paced IT market. I will never take another mgmt. position because I enjoy being in the trenches. I'm not a fan of Bill Gates, MS software and OS bore me to tears so I figured the next big thing is gonna be IoT apps/solutions. So now to piss you guys off with a very basic question... I want to get a starter kit for the Arduino or Rasberry Pi platforms but not sure which 1 is best suited for IoT integration, apps, etc... or should I get both? I have seen all the starter kits but I'm not the type of person that enjoys making a light blink or any of the other basic projects. I'm pretty confident that I can take on more challenging tutorials/projects. I would have more fun building my own drone/quadchopper or integrating blu tooth devices, security cameras, etc... and eventually hope to find a not so common area to integrate IoT solutions, maybe agriculture in the medical marijuana industry. That would be lots of fun. hahaha
I'm an extremely fast learner (already have some experience soldering boards, etc... but far from an expert) so if there are any pros here with experience on these platforms in regards to IoT, I would greatly appreciate any help, technical or career advice. Again, I know this isn't the focus of XDA but I know where to find the experts... I would probably ask for marital advice on here if it involved any gadgets. lol...
PS. Sorry for the long read I just wanted to provide some background info hoping to avoid the "newbie" label and being referred to a basic beginner kit. There are so many variations in the available kits, an extensive list of projects, upgrades and components. What I hope to find is someone who has already been down this road and can help me avoid buying over priced gimmicky kits. I assume I will want to purchase a larger starter kit then add a few components, sensor, etc,.. type kits. Has anyone purchased any of this stuff off WISH? I wouldn't trust the boards off that site but small electrical components like resisters, etc... might be fine.
Thanks to all those who take the time to respond to my request and if I get nothing, I'm forever grateful for all the support on my SamSung devices.
TeeShark said:
I apologize in advance if I posted this thread in the wrong place... I appreciate all the contributors, forum admins, etc.... for all the hard work and expertise that is the backbone for the XDA community!!!
Here is my question: (for additional background info, etc... please see details below) I'm wanting to learn as much as possible about the IoT. So I have checked out starter kits for the Arduino and Rasberry Pi Platforms but not sure if 1 is better than the other or should I get both? I understand the difference in technology, specs, etc... for these 2 platforms but have no idea which 1 would best help me develop the skills necessary to find work in the IoT field. I do have some basic coding skills, expert on hardware of all types and basic soldering skills working with boards/electronics. I feel like the basic starter kits for either platform will be very boring and uninspiring... should I buy a certain starter kit and add a couple component kits? I don't mind running through the basic projects very quickly to get a quick overview on how it all works but I would prefer a greater challenge and more in depth projects. I cant find any intermediate or higher degree of experience type sets. Any assistance at all would be greatly appreciated... or if you know of any forums where I might find XDA quality professionals to mingle with...
***** (the extended, long winded and probably way too much info version)*****
I am looking for a little basic assistance\guidance on the latest hot topic, the Internet of Things (IoT). I rely on XDA for all my mobile needs. The professionals that contribute content, apps, roms, root methods, etc... are the best in the biz, truly amazing people! I have spent 2 days searching the web for info on this topic but all the info I have come across is a little too generic so I thought I would try my luck here on XDA where the real brains and experts behind all things technical congregate.
My Question is very basic but I'm hoping to get some helpful feedback or pointed in the right direction. I have worked in IT field of the Telco industry for 20yrs. Mostly designing and building multi-million dollar data centers. As manager of IT, my staff and I supported 80+ MS Servers (Exchange, IIS, SQL, PDC"s, AD, SMS). I got my MCSE in Windows NT 4.0 (you can stop laughing now... haha). I actually started the IT Dept, for a small CLEC and it all went to **** when I was promoted to Mgr. of IT, then Director of IT. I helped many techs get the latest CCNA, MCSE licenses while I was sent to "executive training seminars/courses". Just wanted to provide my experience and background.
Now I'm 45yrs old, was laid off many years ago and lost my footing in the fast paced IT market. I will never take another mgmt. position because I enjoy being in the trenches. I'm not a fan of Bill Gates, MS software and OS bore me to tears so I figured the next big thing is gonna be IoT apps/solutions. So now to piss you guys off with a very basic question... I want to get a starter kit for the Arduino or Rasberry Pi platforms but not sure which 1 is best suited for IoT integration, apps, etc... or should I get both? I have seen all the starter kits but I'm not the type of person that enjoys making a light blink or any of the other basic projects. I'm pretty confident that I can take on more challenging tutorials/projects. I would have more fun building my own drone/quadchopper or integrating blu tooth devices, security cameras, etc... and eventually hope to find a not so common area to integrate IoT solutions, maybe agriculture in the medical marijuana industry. That would be lots of fun. hahaha
I'm an extremely fast learner (already have some experience soldering boards, etc... but far from an expert) so if there are any pros here with experience on these platforms in regards to IoT, I would greatly appreciate any help, technical or career advice. Again, I know this isn't the focus of XDA but I know where to find the experts... I would probably ask for marital advice on here if it involved any gadgets. lol...
PS. Sorry for the long read I just wanted to provide some background info hoping to avoid the "newbie" label and being referred to a basic beginner kit. There are so many variations in the available kits, an extensive list of projects, upgrades and components. What I hope to find is someone who has already been down this road and can help me avoid buying over priced gimmicky kits. I assume I will want to purchase a larger starter kit then add a few components, sensor, etc,.. type kits. Has anyone purchased any of this stuff off WISH? I wouldn't trust the boards off that site but small electrical components like resisters, etc... might be fine.
Thanks to all those who take the time to respond to my request and if I get nothing, I'm forever grateful for all the support on my SamSung devices.
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Greetings and welcome to assist. This is not really our field of expertise unfortunately. I know very little about Arduino but have used the raspberry Pi. We have a dedicated forum for the Pi here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/raspberry-pi
I think the experts ther will be able to assist you bettert than us
Good Luck
Sawdoctor