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Since when did the best phone come down to the best CPU. If I licensed winmo 2003 and put it on a quad-core phone with 2 gigs of ram would it run smoother than even android? Let alone WP7 or iOS. Our hardware tech is years ahead of what our phones are capable of software-wise. Most of our highest-grade games run on a 1 GHz processor without fail. So, why has the best phone come down to a **** measuring contest of unnecessary and oft unused power?
You're missing an important point: the energy comsumption.
The current dual-cores are consuming less than the old 1-cores and the 4-cores will consume even less energy (smaller size = less consumption), thus increasing battery life.
And I also do not agree on your definition of "phone". Until now our phones are "local minor PCs", but as soon as ICS is expanded and it has USB HOST and so, we should be able to connect a keyboard, mouse and screen to the device and just drop our entire pc-tower to the dust.
It's evolution.
It ensures that the software of tomorrow will work on the hardware of today. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. Same thing with laptops. They used to be useless after a year, now they last much longer.
And I know you will probably say "but not all phones are getting ICS!" But the fact is, all of the high end phones will get it, even if it is supplied by a third party.
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It ensures that the software of tomorrow will work on the hardware of today. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. Same thing with laptops. They used to be useless after a year, now they last much longer.
And I know you will probably say "but not all phones are getting ICS!" But the fact is, all of the high end phones will get it, even if it is supplied by a third party.
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Exactly. And the high end phones being the ones with these crazy processors. Because of that they will be ready for future software.
By the way, thanks for starting this flame session z33. Wonder how long it'll take to get the thread locked...
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Android isn't resource hungry in the sense that it needs ridiculous specs to run. Even ICS, given the source and such, should run on the old snapdragons and even the 800Mhz g2 processors before over-clocking, so still, it's not really necessary. As far as energy consumption goes, there's only one OS that eats batteries and that's due to the lack of optimization of code. I just don't believe hardware should be the defining factor when purchasing a phone unless its form factor or a feature.
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Android isn't resource hungry in the sense that it needs ridiculous specs to run. Even ICS, given the source and such, should run on the old snapdragons and even the 800Mhz g2 processors before over-clocking, so still, it's not really necessary. As far as energy consumption goes, there's only one OS that eats batteries and that's due to the lack of optimization of code. I just don't believe hardware should be the defining factor when purchasing a phone unless its form factor or a feature.
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But you don't know what might come out tomorrow, or next week, or next year. Better to be prepared than stuck buying another $500 phone.
The pissing contest is the same mindless garbage that we see in any other hobbyist group, whether it's PCs, cars, motorcycles or penis pumps. It's about some OCDer's ability to waste endless amounts of time tweaking to wring a few last numbers out on a synthetic benchmark that only fellow OCDers will give two sh*ts about. The answer is simple. Some people enjoy making technology better, others are just plain f*cking stupid. If they spent as much time picking up a book and learning to code, or do anything remotely useful at all... you know, doing something to contribute as they did stroking themselves about having a high score on a benchmark, we'd have more and better apps, they'd have money in their wallets, and we wouldn't have forums so full of nonsense.
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But you don't know what might come out tomorrow, or next week, or next year. Better to be prepared than stuck buying another $500 phone.
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This is the reason most software companies in the cellphone industry offer at least two years guaranteed support. It just happens to be the length of the contract. I was once a victim of the hardware pissing contest, I literally swapped phones sometimes 3 times a month just constantly upgrading.
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This is the reason most software companies in the cellphone industry offer at least two years guaranteed support. It just happens to be the length of the contract. I was once a victim of the hardware pissing contest, I literally swapped phones sometimes 3 times a month just constantly upgrading.
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I would rather not be guaranteed 2 year software support. All that means to me is a guarantee that my software has no chance of catching up to the hardware...for the sake of their "guarantee".
Most? Are you new here. Remember WinMo updates. WP has been out for a year, so you're making assumptions there. The only company that has supported their phones for two years is google with the Nexus phones and Apple since the older models reduce capacity and serve as their mid range offerings.
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Even the old iPhones have the two year support range.
Lowandbehold, software isn't catching up to hardware any time soon considering every mobile OS still runs fine on a 1 GHz processor
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Even the old iPhones have the two year support range.
Lowandbehold, software isn't catching up to hardware any time soon considering every mobile OS still runs fine on a 1 GHz processor
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So you claim to be a dev and a tech geek yet you are complaining about OEM's pushing the envelope? What kind of person wants technology to stop evolving?
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Exactly. And the high end phones being the ones with these crazy processors. Because of that they will be ready for future software.
By the way, thanks for starting this flame session z33. Wonder how long it'll take to get the thread locked...
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so in what? 4 years? When android can take advantage of dual core, you'll pull out the old gs2 that you've upgraded twice from and say, "wow, this phone can't run one specific game that my new octa-core phone does." For such a privilege you sacrifice OEM support as a whole. Yay, logic.
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So you claim to be a dev and a tech geek yet you are complaining about OEM's pushing the envelope? What kind of person wants technology to stop evolving?
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I simply don't see why the hardware is the biggest deal. We are a developer community and until software can keep up with hardware then there's simply no point. If everything runs flawlessly on a 1gig processor, why is that considered low-end.
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I simply don't see why the hardware is the biggest deal. We are a developer community and until software can keep up with hardware then there's simply no point. If everything runs flawlessly on a 1gig processor, why is that considered low-end.
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The only thing pointless is this thread. You really thing technology should come to a halt.
Not at all, I just think that software should be more important than hardware when choosing a phone
Because compared to the new phones it is. Not saying that those (low end) phones aren't fast (or fast enough) on wp7 or any other os but since the bar has been raised, their low end.
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Not at all, I just think that software should be more important than hardware when choosing a phone
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And it is to some people and not to others. Stop trying to force feed your beliefs onto others. Well, actually android is the better software as well...for my needs.
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Because compared to the new phones it is. Not saying that those (low end) phones aren't fast (or fast enough) on wp7 or any other os but since the bar has been raised their low end.
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but this only works on android. Other OSes are smoother than android on three year old hardware. So, in cross-platform arguments it's annoying.
Does anyone else feel that battery tech hasn't even caught up with the new hardware?
I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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Roundtableprez said:
I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
Fastest android mobile currently
IMO sense V4
Regarding the first post, developers won't go by "user reviews" on shop sites, they will look into all the hardware detail and kernel source/drivers/software stuff etc. and if they like what they see then they will buy it.
Terminator19 said:
Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
Terminator19 said:
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
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Agreed, and now that they seem to have done something about the metal arc oxidation issues its build quality is great.
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Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
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Yes, yes and yes, the Beats gimmick aside the regular audio output is of very good quality as GSMArena's measurements show. Camera is a delight to use, although the S3 version has a small buffer lag between shots. Battery life, surprisingly, seems to be very similar between the S3 and S4 models.
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Fastest android mobile currently
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The S4 version yes, the S3 version no.
IMO sense V4
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Yes, Sense 4 is really good, better than TouchWiz although I suspect most people on XDA prefer stock Android if it means faster updates
Personally, I think the One S was a really good phone when it launched, but the change to the S3 processor has changed my view of the model significantly; it is still a good phone for what it is but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
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Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
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And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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Completely agree about that with regards to the S3 version.
Regarding the battery and speed, I thought it was the other way round (in real world usage), battery much worse and performance isn't as good but for standard usage like games etc. there isn't a huge difference.
Doesn't help when no one has posted any info. on the battery of the S3 though i.e. screen shots and detailed info..........
jmcdonald58 said:
I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
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^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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Recoveries come from our local friendly developers if your recovery is a mess contact them it is no way htcs fault. I love this phone despite no s-off. And that's okay for me lol we will steal it from the Onex one day lol.
For the new radios and your crackling problem, most unlocked android devices have this issue when you unlock them I have a sidekick 4g on att right now and this on tmob and there is a compareable difference
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I absolutely love this device. I had the choice between the one s and the s3 and chose this one and am really pleased. It fits my hands perfectly and outperforms most devices. The battery life is unparalleled. I average 4 to 6 hours on screen time while some friends with s3's only get 2 hours with power saving on. The lack of s off is little annoying but not that big of a deal for me since my hboot is so low. As for the people spreading negative reviews in hopes to "teach HTC a lessons" this is a horrible approach. Operation rolling thunder should be stopped!!
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Terminator19 said:
And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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Just wanted to mention that on Tuesday 11/09/2012 i received my nice new htc one s from talktalk.co.uk ( run on vodafone network) and it is a Z560e model (Ville C aka S3) version, personally i am not to bothered but figured worth mention for anyone who maybe intrested in UK
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
My One S
My S one is about 5 months old. After years as a Nokia fan-boy I finally gave in and reluctantly jumped ship. So I was presented with a problem: Which phone do I get. I won't be taking up a place in a queue for the new iPhone 5 with the iSheep - as a Ubuntu user getting an android was a no-brainer. I chose the One S because 1/ it wasn't Samsung (my personal prejudice) 2/ the One X was slightly too big for my taste.
I know Nokia missed a very big boat by sticking with Symbian for so long, but on a personal level I was happy because I know them inside out I can mod them easily and enjoyed playing about with them despite the limitations. In fact the limitations made it more of a challenge and more interesting.Eventually the lack of progress Symbian was making, combined with the fact that Nokia jumped in to bed with Micros*#t forced my hand. So to be honest, I waited for T-Mobile to deliver my One S with very little enthusiasm. That's changed. I love my One S.
So as it's my first Android I can't say its any better or worse than a Galaxy III, a WildFire or a Nexus. I do know that I am very happy with it. On the hardware side I am happy about the lovely big screen, the slim casing and the nice finish. I am very happy with the processor speed and flawless screen refresh. Battery life could be better, but I will never be happy with battery life. Software wise, I am happy that there are people out there making ROMs which while flawed are keeping me very busy and making me feel like I have a new phone every week or so. I am happy that I have a JB based ROM while HTC has yet to release the "official" JB for the One S.
Which is all a long winded way of saying I love it.
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
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Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
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Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
Terminator19 said:
Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
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Wow! Terminator 1 - troll 0 :good:
Closed Source Project said:
Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
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Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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Biased? lol yeah right I dont even own those phones. And to say that sense 4.0 is smoother than Touchcrap 4.0 and iOS5 is just outright lying. Yes it's smoother than sense 3.0 but it's still laggy and I have been following the One X long enough to know that A LOT OF people complain about how laggy sense 4.0 was.
And FYI people dont ask about HTC not because HTC doesnt advertise enough. As a matter of fact a lot people know about them. They just dont buy them because HTC has the reputation of making buggy phones. And as a former owner of 2 HTC phones I cant say I disagree.
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Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
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You got an S3, didn't you? I'm sorry about that and have been quite out-spoken about HTC's idiotic behavior regarding other countries, but the S4 One S is a great piece of machinery.
I have never had on hands experience with the S3 version so can't comment on it, however, when I have had my S4 one S side by side with the GS 3 (quad) and the 4s, the one S has been quicker/snappier/instant smartphone and the GS 3 appears smoother overall, although this is largely down to the animations and the animation scaling used, when JB arrives on both phones there should be no difference at all then really, in terms of smoothness.
I have found the 4s/4 to be laggy in quite a few places personally and not as silky smooth as what many people make it out to be.
Also, the one X hardware (tegra 3) was very poorly optimized with sense/ICS, when the mobile was first released, it was so laggy and nowhere as instant as the one S (S4), since the last update it has improved somewhat, however, still not as good as the S (S4) and GS 3, with JB it should be much better as the nexus 7 has the exact same hardware and it is smoother and faster than both the GS 3 and S, of course assuming HTC don't **** up with driver optimisation on sense Vxx whatever it will be with JB.
Regarding why people don't get HTC handsets, yes for some reason people seem to think they're an awful company with poor phones, I would have agreed with some of their phones (largely the desire HD, IMO their worst phone), however, most of their phones (especially the one series) are actually very good and out of the people I know who have a HTC android device have been very happy with theirs and not had any problems (a lot of people absolutely love sense, the homescreen and widgets impresses the "average joes" a lot). And it does largely come down to marketing/brand in the end, as in the UK here, the majority of ads that I see on TV, posters on bus stops etc. is for the GS 3, iphone, GS 2, galaxy ACE & Ace 2 (the Ace mobiles are bundled with very good network deals though, the ads aren't actually for the phones themselves) along with a few for the one X and virtually no ads at all for the one S (still have not seen a single ad on TV for the one S), people automatically recognise the GS 3 and iphones where as with the likes of HTC phones people aren't sure about them and automatically think they aren't good since they never heard of them.
It is a shame because HTC did start the "empire" of android with the hero, desire and nexus one, dread to think where android would be now if it weren't for them.
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Good work!
But one point is not quite correct:
The case of the Edge is not like the HTC One. It's made of amorphous metal.
The phone should get more around.
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I think you should take down the audiophile circuitry thing, the low light optimized camera thing and the optimized for photo realism thing, too.
Those are subjective really, and spec charts should only compare names and numbers, not advertised quality.
The HTC One is a prime example of this. It was supposed to be amazing in low light. It sucks. All that marketing crap and all I get is unfocused blue noise.
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I think you should take down the audiophile circuitry thing and the optimized for photo realism thing, too.
Those are subjective really, and spec charts should only compare names and numbers, not advertised quality.
The HTC One is a prime example of this. It was supposed to be amazing in low light. It sucks. All that marketing crap and all I get is unfocused blue noise.
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Agreed
My pal has the iPhone 5 and it is a good phone but honestly, it feels dull. And since the 4.3 custom ROM got leaked, my interest in GS4 has piqued even further. But also needed to know, is it true what they are saying about GPU tweaking of the GS4 to perform better on the likes of Antutu, GLBenchmark etc??
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My pal has the iPhone 5 and it is a good phone but honestly, it feels dull. And since the 4.3 custom ROM got leaked, my interest in GS4 has piqued even further. But also needed to know, is it true what they are saying about GPU tweaking of the GS4 to perform better on the likes of Antutu, GLBenchmark etc??
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They overclocked the GPU whenever a benchmarking application was run giving a 10% performance boost.
Not good for the circuit depending on thermal conditions, nor for advertising.
Canonical's phone is a difficult story, mostly because it's difficult to advertise something well when you spend 0% on retailers and advertising. Everything goes to manufacturing the phone. For once there's a possibility of seeing a phone getting made with 100% of the money going into hardware. Not just any hardware, because they promise to employ hardware technologies that are still on the horizon - those that may never reach consumers.
That said, despite all its interesting software features, it still runs Android.
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They overclocked the GPU whenever a benchmarking application was run giving a 10% performance boost.
Not good for the circuit depending on thermal conditions, nor for advertising.
Canonical's phone is a difficult story, mostly because it's difficult to advertise something well when you spend 0% on retailers and advertising. Everything goes to manufacturing the phone. For once there's a possibility of seeing a phone getting made with 100% of the money going into hardware. Not just any hardware, because they promise to employ hardware technologies that are still on the horizon - those that may never reach consumers.
That said, despite all its interesting software features, it still runs Android.
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But that's wrong on Samsung's part. Was going through AnandTech's entry about it and the tweaking in the code was clear as day. Don't understand why they needed to do this as the processor is pretty powerful as it is.
For the Ubuntu Edge, I hope it sees the light of the day as it will definitely make the OEMs re-think and put in better hardware in future sets.
just a general poll to see how many of you are happy with your s22 ultra ?
You can add snapdragon/exynos... i think more people are happy with the snapdragon... sadly
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You can add snapdragon/exynos... i think more people are happy with the snapdragon... sadly
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yeah i cant now, but thats a good point
what's not to like.
i have snapdragon. advertised at 45w charging, but that max it' charging is at 31w.
that's why 45w charging is only a few minutes faster than 25w cus it only charging at 31w
but it' still better than a phone advertised as 25w charging.
SD, voted yes but battery could be better, though I don't have an awful battery life my S20 Ultra did perform much better battery wise, camera is slightly better than s20 Ultra for sure, performance is great as expected from this phone.
SD here and very happy
Will be interested how this vote goes. I too am very happy with mine and so is my wife. In all the posts about being unhappy many are saying 30% of people are unhappy or have major issues. Really think that is a number pulled out of their ass. I do not think there are a lot of posts from individuals that are happy, they just read what is posted. So, the bad posts are skewed in numbers. Let's see how this goes.
yeah i myself am very happy, i have the 85% limit set on my battery, and do a lot of heavy usage and im very happy with mine, mine is exynos 512/12. im using httrack, and google and dropbox autosync pretty much 24 hours a day in the background while also video editing and i dont notice any lag at all
SD and a like from me (love is a strong word) only negative for me is the sharp corners and wider body compared to S21U though somehow S22U feels lighter maybe better weight distribution. Speed, fluidity and battery are great for me.
There have been many more exynon users that have been unhappy with performance, but a lot have 128 models. Also, since the latest firmware update, many of those are now happy with the performance. Just goes to show you.
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no. think it is one of the worst devices Samsung has put out. terribly slow. bugs, bugs, bugs. overheating like crazy.
for , me, a waste of money. upgrade s21 ultra via samsung direct only thing i am fairly happy about is that I only lost $225 bux for the purchase.
this one has really changed my mind all together on samsung upgrades.
Just the box alone it arrived in screamed 'crap,' on hand.
just my opinion here
I really like mine.
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There have been many more exynon users that have been unhappy with performance, but a lot have 128 models. Also, since the latest firmware update, many of those are now happy with the performance. Just goes to show you.
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I have the 256 version and I'm unhappy, especially with the battery life.
The lag was somehow solved after the latest April update, but the battery life is still awful...
so the consensus is, by, yes or no votes, that more than two thirds of people are happy with thier s22 ultra
I'm really liking my Galaxy S22 Ultra so far (coming from an iPhone 13 Pro). The only thing that bothers me is the mediocre battery life.
I have done everything to debloat and clean the device via ADB and I'm also using the Galaxy max Hz app to limit the screen refresh rate to 10Hz in certain situations.
Limiting background usage helps as well and I have turned off things like automatic synchronization in Gmail and other apps.
Now, the device consumes way less battery power when being used/ in standby and I am satisfied with the results.
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yes, but only those with Snap, those with **** Exynos are not happy.
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yes, but only those with Snap, those with **** Exynos are not happy.
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im on exynos and ive not had a problem with mine
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At this point, it appears by the yes/no votes that 80%+ are happy with their S22 ultra. Not a huge sample size, however, I think for the most part that people perusing this forum are looking to fix/improve their S22u in some manner. Therefore, I think the real number of people happy is in the 90%+ range.
i also think a factor to consider is that computing power increases faster than battery technology and people are wanting better processors but also complaining when the battery used to power it isnt sufficient and samsung are having to battle battery power verses computing power , i remember back in the early days of android when devices limited camera and processing power to increase battery life, setting camera to like 90% and the cpu governor was ondemand/interactive, its gonna be better once we have some custom kernels and cpu/gpu overiding, i myself am willing to sacrifice battery life for computing power, i mean we all have power banks nowadays anyway
If this were a forum for a true Note phone, the percentages would be different. My vote was No, my previous device (Note 10+) was better.
I know that pixels weren't made for gaming, but even the OnePlus sells for less and offers a better chip. And battery on the p7p is mediocre. Not sure if it is just me, but the p7p is just as worse as my p6p. Are you guys satisfied with your P7P or have buyers remorse?
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/google-pixel-7-pro-gaming-benchmarks-are-in-and-theyre-embarrassing
What a ridiculous clickbait article. Dude says that out of the box performance was fine until he maxed out the settings and then it dropped. I mean duh? No **** Sherlock.
Getting tired of these kinds of posts to be honest. Just let us enjoy our phones. We are well aware that you don't like the phone... This is now the second time you have thrown the results from Golden Reviewer's testing in a post and this one is just pure clickbait. We saw the numbers the first time.
My experience has been great so far - frankly I'm not going to let some article outweigh my own personal experience. And if Pixels aren't made for gaming, who in their right mind would buy it for gaming? Of course they'd be disappointed..
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My experience has been great so far - frankly I'm not going to let some article outweigh my own personal experience. And if Pixels aren't made for gaming, who in their right mind would buy it for gaming? Of course they'd be disappointed..
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Right? I think everyone knows the Pixel isn't a gaming focused device but it holds its own regardless. My OnePlus 9... Now THAT phone was an embarrassment for gaming... Even Unity games lagged.
Google isn't trying to build a performance phone. They aren't trying to build a phone that tops the benchmark charts with the fastest chip. They're trying to make a "smart" phone. That is what they are about. That is their niche.
And as far as performance goes, I've never once said to myself while using any Pixel I've owned, "Damn this phone is slow, I need it to be faster. I can't do anything with this thing". Performance is just fine for my needs and expectations.
True, everyone needs to stop reading and trusting articles these days. Check it out for yourself and make your own opinion on your findings.
Honestly I come from a OP 9pro. tmob rooted converted to global, and I have to say it was not a good phone, very glitchy, overheated all the time cam was meh and bat was worse.
These games are all optimized for Snapdragon chips and google falls 5 fps short to the s22 ultra. I call that a win actually
The pixel 7 pro can game just fine, and I'm very happy with it. I came from an oneplus 10 pro and even if the oneplus 10 pro has a faster chip, the Tensor g2 has better cooling and therefore have a more stable performance for a longer period of time when gaming.
And if I'm not mistaken, the snapdragon 888 gen 1 in the oneplus 10 pro, dosent run at full speed by default to avoid thermal throttling.
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The pixel 7 pro can game just fine, and I'm very happy with it. I came from an oneplus 10 pro and even if the oneplus 10 pro has a faster chip, the Tensor g2 has better cooling and therefore have a more stable performance for a longer period of time when gaming.
And if I'm not mistaken, the snapdragon 888 gen 1 in the oneplus 10 pro, dosent run at full speed by default to avoid thermal throttling.
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Yeah the 8 Gen 1 in the OP10P has the X1 core disabled by default. Same for the 888 in the OP9/9P. Meanwhile Tensor G2 packs two X1 performance cores and has no default throttling.
Sounds like pixels aren't meant for you my dude. Return it and go with a phone that'll make you happier! My P7P has fixed my gripes with the P6P and I'm happy. The biggest thing being the modem and heat.
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True, everyone needs to stop reading and trusting articles these days. Check it out for yourself and make your own opinion on your findings.
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I'll keep reading articles (and forums) and use common sense to cut through the chaff.
Seems like a lot of chaff out there (including forums).
I fell into this trap of articles and reviews as well. After a few days of this, I said f***k it, and ordered one today. I'm not a reviewer, I'm just a regular dude, so these "test" don't apply to me in the real world. And at the end of it all, if I don't like the device, I'll get rid of it and get something else.
I'm not doing benchmarks, and I know what to expect from this kind of chipset and I'm happy with P7P. I prefer features what you can do with P7P instead of high benchmark scores.
Playing games on phone is actually weird for me and I don't understand that. For that you have PCs and consoles. And playing games on Pixel? is there a way to say this politely? Probably not. Overall this is great device and I don't have any issue with performance when doing things this device was built for.
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Playing games on phone is actually weird for me and I don't understand that. For that you have PCs and consoles.
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This, 100%.
OP, please stop these kinds of posts and sell the phone if you don't like it. I'm getting tired of seeing all this negativity here.
At first I was hesitant to get the P7P because of the hardware but then I realized that the hardware has little to do with the experience you have with the phone.
You don't buy a car solely because it has the highest number of power. The interior matters, the feel, and also how well it can utilize that power.
I haven't had any performance issues with this phone. Granted, I don't game, but just using the phone there are no hickups or frame drops, everything launches quickly, and it's responsive.
I feel the same about the pixel watch.. Reading all these articles it makes you think that these products are trash and outdated.
Just get the phone and try it out. You like it? Great. You don't? Then send it back.
If the fact of having the newest SoC is important, then these products might not be for you, until they improve.
I feel the same about high refresh displays for example. I'd never buy a phone which costs more than 500€ which didn't have a high refresh display. Yet most people don't care and buy 1150€ Apple phones which still use 60Hz displays.
I don't see as many people complaining about that.
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I feel the same about high refresh displays for example. I'd never buy a phone which costs more than 500€ which didn't have a high refresh display. Yet most people don't care and buy 1150€ Apple phones which still use 60Hz displays.
I don't see as many people complaining about that.
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Yeah, exactly. But they probably don't know, what they are missing. But once you try higher refresh rate, you don't want to go back
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At first I was hesitant to get the P7P because of the hardware but then I realized that the hardware has little to do with the experience you have with the phone.
You don't buy a car solely because it has the highest number of power. The interior matters, the feel, and also how well it can utilize that power.
I haven't had any performance issues with this phone. Granted, I don't game, but just using the phone there are no hickups or frame drops, everything launches quickly, and it's responsive.
I feel the same about the pixel watch.. Reading all these articles it makes you think that these products are trash and outdated.
Just get the phone and try it out. You like it? Great. You don't? Then send it back.
If the fact of having the newest SoC is important, then these products might not be for you, until they improve.
I feel the same about high refresh displays for example. I'd never buy a phone which costs more than 500€ which didn't have a high refresh display. Yet most people don't care and buy 1150€ Apple phones which still use 60Hz displays.
I don't see as many people complaining about that.
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I thought iPhones are 120hz now? Are some models still 60hz?
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I thought iPhones are 120hz now? Are some models still 60hz?
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Only Pro and Pro Max, 14 and 14 Plus have 60 Hz