There is a check on the impedance! i tested it
The Hi-Fi Quad DAC option in sound effect make a huge difference only if connected with high impedance headphones
(i tried this with a headset with a volume roller, connecting when it is over 50 omh makes a huge difference)
i read something similar for high impedance mode of the lg v20
darix96 said:
There is a check on the impedance! i tested it
The Hi-Fi Quad DAC option in sound effect make a huge difference only if connected with high impedance headphones
(i tried this with a headset with a volume roller, connecting when it is over 50 omh makes a huge difference)
i read something similar for high impedance mode of the lg v20
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Yes this is identical to how the G6 functioned.
Basically there are two tricks you can use to get the high impedance mode to work.
1) connect your headphones with an "iphone" Y-adapter, e.g. that thing that has the female headphone and microphone ports that connect to a single RCA plug that plugs into the phone. (this is the opposite of those adapters that have a one pole (for headsets that have mic and phones on the same cable) to two pole split where you split the headphone and mic plugs into two RCA plugs, which are usually for computers, which require separate inputs). Plug in the iphone Y adapter by itself and the G6 will say "external device connected" and will activate high impedance mode. Then plug in your headphones after. The G7 won't say that popup but will activate the same high impedance mode.
I'm guessing a direct female to male RCA connector would also work but I never tried that. If this worked, this would probably be what you would want for yourself. I could never find a connector like that as that's more of an 'extension' cable than anything useful, but I'm sure there must be one somewhere?
2) Use headphones with a built in volume adjustment and set the volume slider to minimum before plugging in the headphones . This sets the resistance to infinite, which activates high impedance mode when plugged in. You already know about this though as you mentioned.
I still don't get the purpose of using a high impedance mode on low impedance headphones.
That should distort how frequencies are reproduced basically nullifying the HiFi purpose of the high quality dac in the phone.
If a headphone has a lower impedance it means that it needs less voltage to function but a lot more current. Higher impedance headphones are the opposite and triggering an high impedance mode on low impedance headphone can also cause damage for both the amplifier and the headphones.
Usually an amplifier needs to have around 1/8 or 1/10 of the impedance of the headphones at its output to have perfect sound and to avoid any damage.
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I still don't get the purpose of using a high impedance mode on low impedance headphones.
That should distort how frequencies are reproduced basically nullifying the HiFi purpose of the high quality dac in the phone.
If a headphone has a lower impedance it means that it needs less voltage to function but a lot more current. Higher impedance headphones are the opposite and triggering an high impedance mode on low impedance headphone can also cause damage for both the amplifier and the headphones.
Usually an amplifier needs to have around 1/8 or 1/10 of the impedance of the headphones at its output to have perfect sound and to avoid any damage.
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The sound quality of the G7/G6/V35, etc are GREATLY improved by using high impedance mode. There is no distortion. When using "low" impedance mode (which is basically like having the hifi dac off), you literally have to crank up the volume to MAXIMUM to get sound at a decent volume, and that's not good.
BTW if you have a detachable headphone RCA cable, detach it and put it into the phone first. That will trigger high impedance mode.
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I still don't get the purpose of using a high impedance mode on low impedance headphones.
That should distort how frequencies are reproduced basically nullifying the HiFi purpose of the high quality dac in the phone.
If a headphone has a lower impedance it means that it needs less voltage to function but a lot more current. Higher impedance headphones are the opposite and triggering an high impedance mode on low impedance headphone can also cause damage for both the amplifier and the headphones.
Usually an amplifier needs to have around 1/8 or 1/10 of the impedance of the headphones at its output to have perfect sound and to avoid any damage.
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In my opinion what LG did here by using two kind of DACs and different amplification for each is pure stupidity.
I can get you countless high quality headphones (mine are AudioTechnica M50x which has the impedance of 38ohm) that have lower than 50ohm impedance and therefore cannot use the "high quality DAC" and amplification. Even by moving the volume slider to the max, the M50x are on the quiet side. Surprisingly, the same can be said about the headset received in the box that for sure has <50ohm impedance is on the quiet side in my opinion. Their logic in doing this is beyond me.
So all the mambo jambo advertising with superior audio quality on the LG phones applies only if you have headphones with higher impedance. Otherwise, you receive the basic Qualcomm DAC and amplification that can barely drive 40ohm headphones.
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In my opinion what LG did here by using two kind of DACs and different amplification for each is pure stupidity.
I can get you countless high quality headphones (mine are AudioTechnica M50x which has the impedance of 38ohm) that have lower than 50ohm impedance and therefore cannot use the "high quality DAC" and amplification. Even by moving the volume slider to the max, the M50x are on the quiet side. Surprisingly, the same can be said about the headset received in the box that for sure has <50ohm impedance is on the quiet side in my opinion. Their logic in doing this is beyond me.
So all the mambo jambo advertising with superior audio quality on the LG phones applies only if you have headphones with higher impedance. Otherwise, you receive the basic Qualcomm DAC and amplification that can barely drive 40ohm headphones.
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I also have the Audio Technica M50X and I'm not able to listen them at the max volume because they get really loud.
If you use the other amplifier deisgned to drive higher impedance headphones you don't get better audio quality because it wasn't designed to drive low impedance headphones like ours.
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I also have the Audio Technica M50X and I'm not able to listen them at the max volume because they get really loud.
If you use the other amplifier deisgned to drive higher impedance headphones you don't get better audio quality because it wasn't designed to drive low impedance headphones like ours.
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I don't seek for better audio quality, but higher volume. In my opinion the "standard" amplifier on the G7 doesn't deliver.
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I don't seek for better audio quality, but higher volume. In my opinion the "standard" amplifier on the G7 doesn't deliver.
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What's the point of having a DAC that can provide a better audio experience than the one with standard headphones if you don't seek audio quality but just volume?
Compared to other devices that I've tried the G7 is the one that can handle my ATH-M50X better with fewer distortions and a lovely balance in the frequencies.
To each one his own but don't say that you need to use high impedance headphones to get the quad dac advantages because that's not true.
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What's the point of having a DAC that can provide a better audio experience than the one with standard headphones if you don't seek audio quality but just volume?
Compared to other devices that I've tried the G7 is the one that can handle my ATH-M50X better with fewer distortions and a lovely balance in the frequencies.
To each one his own but don't say that you need to use high impedance headphones to get the quad dac advantages because that's not true.
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I said I need the amplification part of the equation. G7 is the only one that offers that for >50ohm headphones. I don't see what's not clear here. What you use with your M50x is the standard DAC that you can find on ANY S845 device that offers analog output (audio jack). It's no better on the LG than on a Oneplus6 for example (which I also tested). Just look on the frequency response measurements. There are basically the same.
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I said I need the amplification part of the equation. G7 is the only one that offers that for >50ohm headphones. I don't see what's not clear here. What you use with your M50x is the standard DAC that you can find on ANY S845 device that offers analog output (audio jack). It's no better on the LG than on a Oneplus6 for example (which I also tested). Just look on the frequency response measurements. There are basically the same.
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The frequency response between the OnePlus 6 and the G7 is actually pretty different and this definitely proves that they don't have the same electrical components inside.
You can look at the OP6 analysis here and at the G7 analysis here.
You can notice the difference in frequency response, the lower crosstalk, the lower noise, the lower THD of the G7 compared to the standard amplifier of the OnePlus.
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The frequency response between the OnePlus 6 and the G7 is actually pretty different and this definitely proves that they don't have the same electrical components inside.
You can look at the OP6 analysis here and at the G7 analysis here.
You can notice the difference in frequency response, the lower crosstalk, the lower noise, the lower THD of the G7 compared to the standard amplifier of the OnePlus.
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The differences are so small that I doubt anyone but the finest listeners would observe them (although I have my doubts here too). But, if the G7 sounds better for you, well, that's great. I was only trying to underline that the 50ohm threshold for switching DACs and amplification is not chosen properly and leaves many people who own high end headphones (with lower impedance) disappointed.
i think that with root and modification to mixer_paths.xml or others files we can have this always activated
i tried on my old z1 compact to set HPHL and HPHR volume to 20 without change anything else and it's almost the same output power of the g7 with Hi_Fi dac activated (a little less on volume but without any distorsion)
now the problem is: how to root this phone without unlock bootloader?
People confuse sound quality with volume for some weird reason. I see it everywhere. Fooling my headphones into high impedence mode doesn't give the sound better quality, just higher volume. Stop saying the sound quality gets better. It doesn't. The DAC is still active even on headphones below 50 ohm. You can hear the sound quality take a dip if you disable the DAC from the quick settings. My Sennheiser Momentum 2 sounds great and they don't sound better if I fool the DAC into high impedence but the volume gets a little bit louder. But they are loud enough without the trick for me.
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People confuse sound quality with volume for some weird reason. I see it everywhere. Fooling my headphones into high impedence mode doesn't give the sound better quality, just higher volume. Stop saying the sound quality gets better. It doesn't. The DAC is still active even on headphones below 50 ohm. You can hear the sound quality take a dip if you disable the DAC from the quick settings. My Sennheiser Momentum 2 sounds great and they don't sound better if I fool the DAC into high impedence but the volume gets a little bit louder. But they are loud enough without the trick for me.
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This is exactly what I was trying to say but they are convinced otherwise
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People confuse sound quality with volume for some weird reason. I see it everywhere. Fooling my headphones into high impedence mode doesn't give the sound better quality, just higher volume. Stop saying the sound quality gets better. It doesn't. The DAC is still active even on headphones below 50 ohm. You can hear the sound quality take a dip if you disable the DAC from the quick settings. My Sennheiser Momentum 2 sounds great and they don't sound better if I fool the DAC into high impedence but the volume gets a little bit louder. But they are loud enough without the trick for me.
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I would say that people are even more confused that having a separate DAC chip is better, let's say over the soc's codec. It's not. Nobody cares that mobile devices hardware stud sucks no matter which amp, or dac you put into the combo. Not to mention software problems.
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People confuse sound quality with volume for some weird reason. I see it everywhere. Fooling my headphones into high impedence mode doesn't give the sound better quality, just higher volume. Stop saying the sound quality gets better. It doesn't. The DAC is still active even on headphones below 50 ohm. You can hear the sound quality take a dip if you disable the DAC from the quick settings. My Sennheiser Momentum 2 sounds great and they don't sound better if I fool the DAC into high impedence but the volume gets a little bit louder. But they are loud enough without the trick for me.
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I don't think anybody on this thread said something about higher volume means better sound quality. If the G7 uses the same "quad DAC" as the V30 (which personally I don't know if it's true or not) , then if it detects any headphones with impedance < 50ohm it routes the audio through the "standard" Qualcomm DAC. If the input is > 50ohm then it routes audio through the high quality DAC which seems to be the ESS ES9218P and also amplifies it. So in this case having <50ohm headphones really means you receive lower quality sound since the Qcomm DAC has clearly lower specifications than the ESS one. Again, I might be wrong with this assumption but this is how things work on the V30.
Second, there are a lot of people with high quality headphones that have lower than (but close to) 50ohm impedance that can't be driven by the Qcomm DAC and amplification. I gave the example of AudioTechnica M50x (38ohm) that, for me at least, don't sound loud enough and that's why I mostly use Dragonfly Black DAC with this phone (and will probably use with any other future phone).
If you use Momentum 2, that has 18ohm AFAIK, it's clear that they'll sound quite loud on this setup.
If anybody has better insight about how things work on the audio side of the G7, please enlight us.
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I don't think anybody on this thread said something about higher volume means better sound quality. If the G7 uses the same "quad DAC" as the V30 (which personally I don't know if it's true or not) , then if it detects any headphones with impedance < 50ohm it routes the audio through the "standard" Qualcomm DAC. If the input is > 50ohm then it routes audio through the high quality DAC which seems to be the ESS ES9218P and also amplifies it. So in this case having <50ohm headphones really means you receive lower quality sound since the Qcomm DAC has clearly lower specifications than the ESS one. Again, I might be wrong with this assumption but this is how things work on the V30.
Second, there are a lot of people with high quality headphones that have lower than (but close to) 50ohm impedance that can't be driven by the Qcomm DAC and amplification. I gave the example of AudioTechnica M50x (38ohm) that, for me at least, don't sound loud enough and that's why I mostly use Dragonfly Black DAC with this phone (and will probably use with any other future phone).
If you use Momentum 2, that has 18ohm AFAIK, it's clear that they'll sound quite loud on this setup.
If anybody has better insight about how things work on the audio side of the G7, please enlight us.
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Thank you for this useful post. You can indeed tell better sound quality by having the hifi dac activated even at the same volume Things like treble response in the mids can show it.
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I don't think anybody on this thread said something about higher volume means better sound quality. If the G7 uses the same "quad DAC" as the V30 (which personally I don't know if it's true or not) , then if it detects any headphones with impedance < 50ohm it routes the audio through the "standard" Qualcomm DAC. If the input is > 50ohm then it routes audio through the high quality DAC which seems to be the ESS ES9218P and also amplifies it. So in this case having <50ohm headphones really means you receive lower quality sound since the Qcomm DAC has clearly lower specifications than the ESS one. Again, I might be wrong with this assumption but this is how things work on the V30.
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That can't be the case as the sound quality gets worse if I disable the quad-DAC from quick settings while listening to music with my Momentum 2 that are only 18ohm. The quad-DAC clearly is used all the time unless I disable it myself. This is why tricking the phone makes no difference to sound quality only volume. So the Qualcomm DAC is only used if the user intentionally disable the quad-DAC. This is true even on lower ohm headphones. This is the thing people don't seem to get.
It works exactly the same on V30. I had one prior the G7. V10 as well that I had a while ago.
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That can't be the case as the sound quality gets worse if I disable the quad-DAC from quick settings while listening to music with my Momentum 2 that are only 18ohm. The quad-DAC clearly is used all the time unless I disable it myself. This is why tricking the phone makes no difference to sound quality only volume. So the Qualcomm DAC is only used if the user intentionally disable the quad-DAC. This is true even on lower ohm headphones. This is the thing people don't seem to get.
It works exactly the same on V30. I had one prior the G7. V10 as well that I had a while ago.
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Are you sure on the V30 the quad DAC was available for low impedance headphones? I remember it wasn't, but I might be wrong of course, I sold the phone months ago. If you're right about the G7 using the ESS DAC all the time then great, but still there is a pretty big chunk of headphones <50 ohm that can't be properly driven by the LG's solution.
Yes, this construction gives some weird results, like my Senheiser HD600S at 600 Ohms are playing much louder than any of my cans
Those cans around 32 Ohms needs to be maxed out on volume, the HD600s sounds real loud below half volume ...
A simple impedance toggle in the Quad Dac settings would solve the issue and make everyone happy!
edit. Yes, it is indeed ES9218P like in V30:
http://www.esstech.com/index.php/en/news/newsroom/lg-g7-thinq/
Hi,
can i increase volume Headphone HTC U12 + with Usonic
There are no volume controls on the usonic earphones. You'll need to adjust the volume on the phone.
I just got the U12 less than a week ago and I'm a little disappointed to be honest.
There are hardly any bass using the usonic earphones and it's very treble-heavy and can get very tinny and piercing at high volume. Not sure if my earphones are detective because everyone seems to praise the usonic.
Yes, I've tuned them to my ears.
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There are no volume controls on the usonic earphones. You'll need to adjust the volume on the phone.
I just got the U12 less than a week ago and I'm a little disappointed to be honest.
There are hardly any bass using the usonic earphones and it's very treble-heavy and can get very tinny and piercing at high volume. Not sure if my earphones are detective because everyone seems to praise the usonic.
Yes, I've tuned them to my ears.
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Same here
I bought usb c adapter from htc shop. And connect my jbl headphones and the sound is awsome now!!!
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Same here
I bought usb c adapter from htc shop. And connect my jbl headphones and the sound is awsome now!!!
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Thanks! I'll give the usb c adapter a go. Was kind of hesitant to spend more money on the U12. Shame they didn't include it in the box. I think this will be my last HTC phone.
Yeah, I wasn't impressed at all either. If I'm not using Bluetooth, I prefer the USB-C Razer adapter with the HTC Pro Studio headphones. So much better!
Hi, I using Mix 2s and the quality of sound on earphones is quite a disaster.
Sound is very grainy and there is a lot of static noise in some songs. I am using Spotify Premium with very high-quality settings and the sound on wireless and wired earphones is the same - means very bad. So, it’s not just bad piece of set.
I was blaming the audio codec on Bluetooth as my BT earphones should be able to use ACC codec, but there is just SBC available in developer option. I heard the BT codec issue in last Global MIUI I am using global 10.2.2) not allowing to use any codec outside SBC, but the sound is the same on wired earphones.
Does anyone experience the same issue with sound quality?
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Hi, I using Mix 2s and the quality of sound on earphones is quite a disaster.
Sound is very grainy and there is a lot of static noise in some songs. I am using Spotify Premium with very high-quality settings and the sound on wireless and wired earphones is the same - means very bad. So, it’s not just bad piece of set.
I was blaming the audio codec on Bluetooth as my BT earphones should be able to use ACC codec, but there is just SBC available in developer option. I heard the BT codec issue in last Global MIUI I am using global 10.2.2) not allowing to use any codec outside SBC, but the sound is the same on wired earphones.
Does anyone experience the same issue with sound quality?
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I have no issues on LineageOS (wired and BT LDAC).
I am using 10.2.2 stable too and i do not have any troubles with sound quality. Using spotify, sound is fine with Bluetooth and wired phones.
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I am using 10.2.2 stable too and i do not have any troubles with sound quality. Using spotify, sound is fine with Bluetooth and wired phones.
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Thank you, and are you able to connect to BT headseat with any other codec then SBC? I am able to change that in developer option but it always go back to default after leaving menu.
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Thank you, and are you able to connect to BT headseat with any other codec then SBC? I am able to change that in developer option but it always go back to default after leaving menu.
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Have tried Mix2s with 3 different phones at home on BT and headset. Samsung A8, Honor 8 Pro and iPhone 6s and most ****ty sound by class is from Xiaomi, which makes me very sad as this is my daily driver... will try MIUI EU if this makes any difference or sell my Xiaomi device.
I come from a redmi note 4X and dont notice any problems with it. I have a brainwavz BLU200, which supports aptx.
Maybe the phone is recognizing the headphones as a headset (for calls which utterly kills the sound quality).
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I come from a redmi note 4X and dont notice any problems with it. I have a brainwavz BLU200, which supports aptx.
Maybe the phone is recognizing the headphones as a headset (for calls which utterly kills the sound quality).
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Thank you, but this is not the case. The sound is bad also on wired headphones. Sound is flat, lot of static noise, missing any stage. By class worst sound from 4 phones I can find at home. I will try different USB C to 3.5 mm adapter if helps.
Ouch, I have not tried the usb adapter with my wired headphones. I'm scared to try now (ignorance is bliss?).
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Thank you, and are you able to connect to BT headseat with any other codec then SBC? I am able to change that in developer option but it always go back to default after leaving menu.
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My LDAC headphones work well. I am afraid there's something wrong with your device and I'd recommend to have it repaired.
Just tested the wired audio with my Brainwavz HM5 and i found it awesome. Also i have searched a bit on the net and seems that the mi mix 2s outputs analog over the USB-C adapter. The sounds come from the DAC on the SoC (SD845) which seems to be a quite nice DAC (https://semiaccurate.com/2017/12/19/qualcomm-ups-audio-ante-snapdragon-845/) to be a cellphone.
Try wiping and flashing a stock rom. If that dont fix it, I suspect that your case is a hardware problem.
And last but not less important, i'm not an audiophile so maybe what i hear good is subpar to you, but if the sound would be as bad, way more people would have complained by now.
Thank you. I have tried different USB-C to 3,5mm adapter then standard Xiaomi one and grain is about 50% less so positive news here, but sound is still flat and dont have any sound stage. May be I am to picky and got luck with my previous phones. I have ordered external DAC adapter to solve this problem as on the other hand this is only problem I have with the phone.
I one of my friends found the core of the problem. He sad to have iPhone 7 that sounds ****ty as well. He had found out after about year of searching and two sets of headphones that somewhere in some different settings was set MONO sound only. My problem was same and very stupid! For my IQ deffence I don't know why this settings is not located in sound section. So problem solved and thank everybody for help! For anyone having this issue you can deactivate Mono sound in Settings -> Additional Settings -> Accessibility -> Turn off "Mono Audio"
I have a passive 3.5mm adapter (one without DAC or amp) and looking for a wired headphone. However, I cannot find detailed audio specs of OnePlus 7 Pro, especially regarding to output impedance (ohms).
VE Monk Plus is what I want to buy but since I don't know how much impedance OnePlus 7 Pro can drive, I wonder if it can drive the headphone well (able to get it loud enough). It needs about 64 ohms to work best.
Anyone has experience with high-ohm headphones? What is the upper limit I should consider an active adapter instead?
How loud they will be, it depends on many factors, not only the output of the phone. I would say, if you want really loud, don't go higher then 32Ohm's. Also, look for headphones which have higher sensitivity "XX dB/mW".
I'm not a loud listener but if a headphone requires me to crank the volume up all the time that would be pretty annoying. VE Monk Plus boasts 64 ohms and 112dB/mW. Do you think it can work well without active DAC or amp?
Thanks