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i have some videos that are in the mkv format. i tried using rock player, but the video looks laggy and there's a discrepancy between the video and audio. it seems that the audio is ahead of the video. or is there a way to increase the frame rate for this format. i've tried almost every player in the market that came up under mkv and nothing that works right. my avi files work great though
I've tried all different players that play mkv and they are all laggy and the video is pixulated. I think the gtab is just not capable of playing them. But don't be sad the glorious opacity wont play them either results are the same.
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i've been using rebox.NET found here http://www.videohelp.com/tools/rebox.NET, it basically re-muxes and converts audio to mp4 format from mkv, i've only tried 720p video so far, plays fine in rock player
I was reading the other day that an andriod version of VLC is being worked on. Hopefully that will do us right.
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i've been using rebox.NET found here http://www.videohelp.com/tools/rebox.NET, it basically re-muxes and converts audio to mp4 format from mkv, i've only tried 720p video so far, plays fine in rock player
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is this something you do on the tablet or you need to do it on a comp first?
why can't someone take the video player that comes with the archos101 and port into the gtablet? archos101 plays .mkv and just about everything else and I think the .apk is easily obtainable through archos101. I am not sure if the video player is what makes .mkv's work or if there is some system codecs involved. I used to have the archos101 and it did play .mkv's nicely.
yo do the conversion on the pc first, doesn't take but a couple minutes
The Archos player is probably optimized to the hardware inside the Archos which is different from ours.
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why can't someone take the video player that comes with the archos101 and port into the gtablet? archos101 plays .mkv and just about everything else and I think the .apk is easily obtainable through archos101. I am not sure if the video player is what makes .mkv's work or if there is some system codecs involved. I used to have the archos101 and it did play .mkv's nicely.
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I think a couple people have looked at doing that without success. I know I love the player on my little Archos5. It plays very nice, and also has the built-in upnp capability.
MKV (Matroska) support is compiled into stagefright/opencore on the devices that support it (Along with AC3, DTS, etc). It isn't just build into the player app.
Remember that matroska is just a container. being able to parse video streams out of an MKV won't magically give the Tegra2 enough beef to render 5.1aac+h.264 High-profile 1080p, in fact with the Tegra2 userspace libs in their current state you'll be lucky to get 1080p Main profile and only sure of playing Baseline profile.
Look at the video you want to play if its already High profile 1080p it will _never_ play on a Tegra2 device.
Remux (not re-encode) the MKV into an MP4 container, it it still doesn't play nothing short of updates from nvidia will change that.
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I've been using arcMedia and it runs flawlessly. Here's the apk. runs directly from Astro file manager. Long press on the video file, open file using archmedia. check the default box and every video file opened by arcMedia directly.
I am seriously buying one after doing my research of all the tablets coming out. Xoom still seems the best.
One of the make or break things for me is the smoothness of video playback.
On my evo, i use qqplayer, rock player, vplayer to watch tv shows/movies I converted with handbrake of my blurays and tv series. I stream these files over my home network. Some are plain divx avi's, some are 720p/1080p mkvs.When i feel like watching it on a trip or something, i just throw files on my phone to watch on the go.
Due to the small size of the screen, the phone plays the files as is just fine with no hiccups.
Can a Xoom owner, please install one of those apps mentioned, and throw both a sd video (divx avi like for a tv show episode) and a 720p and 1080p mkv (like the bd rip movies) and see how she plays them?
Any stuttering? Video/sound stay in sync?
I really do not want to reencode all my files to 'native hardware' accelerated support files. Hopefully the dualcore tegra is enough to run software decode via these players on the higher res screen smoothly.
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Did you search? There are a ton of 20 page threads already about this.
Honestly it's been done to death!
No, so far the Xoom will not play high profile h.264 files well.
Probably 6 different threads on this already.
Here's one to get you started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968640
As the other members said, please search before posting.
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In particular MKV files.
I have noted that if I playback an 720p MKV with AC3/DTS sound the video plays perfectly fluid. No microjudder or frame drops AFAIK. But there is no sound of course because the inbuilt player does not support AC3/DTS natively.
However add AAC 2.0 audio into the file (MKV or MP4 container it matters not) I see judder. Kinda like when you have 23.976FPS playing on a 50Hz PAL CRT.
I have tried muxing at various framerates and interestingly the judder gets faster the higher the FPS. Very odd.
I'm used to dealing with AV stuff as I use MPC-HC/ReClock/MadVR etc to my HDTV over HDMI (BTW my Panasonic G20 Plasma does not recognise the TF HDMI output. My PC monittor does however so the TF is outputting in an unsupported res/Hz for my HDTV obviously).
It's puzzling me how when the TF does not have to playback audio the video is perfect but as soon as it has to decode audio it throws a wobbly.
The other interesting thing of note is that Youtube vids at 720p and even 1080p (Big Buck Bunny for instance) play just fine. Methinks that Flash is optimized to the Tegra 2 chip whilst the inbuilt TF player (and all the other players) are not. Moboplayer, Vplayer etc are all a bit crap at it. There is one player called LittlePlayer which gives the option of hardware playback but it is no better than the inbuilt player as it does not decode AC3/DTS and it too judders when AAC audio is played.
Anyone got a clue why this is the case? I was wondering if it was a UK specific issue (would not put it past Asus to make it PAL centric) but then why would it play a 23.976FPS 720p x264 in MKV perfectly (sans audio obviously)?
Yeah I have a 720p mkv and it plays a little off with the sound but I play a higher quality move still at 720p and the sound is like a second off. And the 1080p vids I have don't play at all. What app do you use to play your videos?
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you must be doing something wrong with the muxing or the avc stream you ended up with is not extracted properly.
I encode movies with x264 (commandline), encode the audio with neroaacen(lc, cbr, 128kbit) and mux them with mp4box. The file plays perfectly with the built-in player, meridian or rockplayer in hardware decoding mode.
Most mkv TV series I can extract th evideo stream from and use it, but not all. Some use too many reference frames while encoding and the TF can't handle it.
X264 profile high, level 4.1, preset veryfast or medium. No other options except quality level ((crf 20 or 21 I use mostly).
I've tried MKVToolnix for straight muxing. A simple MKV to MP4 prog without reencoding called mkvavi2mp4. Handbrake (Used settings suggested on this forum). I've also tried some test clips from various sites. All of them judder when audio is being decoded. I am not talking about HUGE judder. I am talking about very small judder. The video is not 100% fluid. Some may not even notice it. I do because I am always messing with progs like ReClock and MadVR in order to get perfect 24p playback to an HDTV. I am also susceptible to phosphor lag, any audio sync issues and other annoyances. I am Mr Super Anal when it comes to perfect playback and have color calibrated all my displays with a colorimeter
But I digress.
If I play Big Buck Bunny 1080p in Youtube or in the default browser it plays fluid (well enough not to be annoying). Now if I rip that same Youtube clip down to my hard disk. Copy it to the TF and play it in ANY player (Moboplayer - with or without codecs packs, Rockplayer, Vplayer, Littleplayer or the inbuilt player) it will not play it without stuttering. What the hell is that all about? Flash player is better at video playback on the TF than Honeycombs implementation? Quite.
I wish I could figure out a way to load the MP4 files in Flash through the browser. I tried file://path to MP4 and it did not work.
If anyone knows a way to do that I would be interested. Maybe I should setup a web server on my PC and stream everything in Flash
P.S. If you wish I can provide you with two sample MKV's. One with audio the other without and you can directly compare the two and post your results. I see small juddering on the clip with audio muxed in every time.
The Youtube app is not using Flash. If it was, Youtube wouldn't play on the iPhone or iPad, and it most certainly wouldn't have played on Android devices before Android 2.2. If you want to see true Flash performance so far, load up Hulu and see if you can get a 480p stream to play acceptably. Edit: Since you mention the UK though, I probably shouldn't assume you're in the US. If that's the case, just load up any Flash-based video player besides Youtube. Sometimes it helps to set your user agent to Desktop, too.
The Youtube app is actually using HTML5, with videos encoded in H.264/MPEG-4 AVC and stereo AAC. The maximum bitrates supported are 5 Mbit/s and 152 kbps, respectively. You need to bear in mind too that by playing videos through the browser, the servers will recognize the device you're playing from and compress and optimize the stream accordingly. A full 1080p video at 5 Mbit/s would take forever to buffer on a tablet, so it's highly unlikely that you're getting the full quality over the network stream. Locally-stored videos, however, are free to be downloaded and played in their maximum quality, so it's understandable that you may see some stutter on large files.
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I've tried MKVToolnix for straight muxing. A simple MKV to MP4 prog without reencoding called mkvavi2mp4. Handbrake (Used settings suggested on this forum). I've also tried some test clips from various sites. All of them judder when audio is being decoded. I am not talking about HUGE judder. I am talking about very small judder. The video is not 100% fluid. Some may not even notice it. I do because I am always messing with progs like ReClock and MadVR in order to get perfect 24p playback to an HDTV. I am also susceptible to phosphor lag, any audio sync issues and other annoyances. I am Mr Super Anal when it comes to perfect playback and have color calibrated all my displays with a colorimeter
But I digress.
If I play Big Buck Bunny 1080p in Youtube or in the default browser it plays fluid (well enough not to be annoying). Now if I rip that same Youtube clip down to my hard disk. Copy it to the TF and play it in ANY player (Moboplayer - with or without codecs packs, Rockplayer, Vplayer, Littleplayer or the inbuilt player) it will not play it without stuttering. What the hell is that all about? Flash player is better at video playback on the TF than Honeycombs implementation? Quite.
I wish I could figure out a way to load the MP4 files in Flash through the browser. I tried file://path to MP4 and it did not work.
If anyone knows a way to do that I would be interested. Maybe I should setup a web server on my PC and stream everything in Flash
P.S. If you wish I can provide you with two sample MKV's. One with audio the other without and you can directly compare the two and post your results. I see small juddering on the clip with audio muxed in every time.
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Shoot them over
http://www.mediafire.com/?gp3bumw7qy9mppm
Check the panning of each. One has AAC audio the other not. Use the default inbuilt video player of the TF (Should offer if you click on the files if you have other players installed). The one without audio plays perfectly smooth on my TF. The one with audio has slight juddering.
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If I play Big Buck Bunny 1080p in Youtube or in the default browser it plays fluid (well enough not to be annoying).
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Just to clarify: You are talking about viewing youtube via the default _web_ browser, setting your user agent such that you get the desktop site and using the flash plugin to play the video? Rather then using the mobile youtube web site or using the built in youtube app?
FYI of your two clips the one without audio plays smoothly in the _default_ player and the one with audio chokes with "This video cannot be played" (This is assuming you tack ".mp4" onto the file names to fool the default media player into trying to play it)
Interesting... I just re-encoded the audio _only_ ("-vcodec copy -acodec libmp3lame" in ffmpeg) and that plays smoothly.
Now mp3 audio isn't part of the mp4 container spec so you'll only get away with it in an mkv container (its flexibility is one of the things that makes matroska difficult to parse)
Ah... the video is High profile at 3.8Mbps that pretty much on the limit of what the tegra2 can do at the moment (I'd say it over it actually) so I'd say that the addition of a complex (relative to mp3) audio track is just too much.
I bet if you re-encoded that video to baseline at the same bitrate and copied the audio stream it would play fine, its just at the max computation threshold.
sub'd... I want to see what you guys are doing, I'd really like to play at least 720p peacefully.
I've tried reencoding using Handbrake and get similar results. Jerky playback with audio. Smooth without. It's like small juddering every quarter second or so. Ignore the web playback that's already been explained that it's HTML5 and is not sending me the full 1080p stream anyhow.
In fact. If someone can send me a 720p video clip with audio that they say plays 100% smooth on their TF I could see if it's not 100% smooth here. If not (as I suspect it won't be) then it's either my TF has issues. Your eyesight is not picking it up or I am going nuts
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I've tried reencoding using Handbrake and get similar results. Jerky playback with audio. Smooth without. It's like small juddering every quarter second or so. Ignore the web playback that's already been explained that it's HTML5 and is not sending me the full 1080p stream anyhow.
In fact. If someone can send me a 720p video clip with audio that they say plays 100% smooth on their TF I could see if it's not 100% smooth here. If not (as I suspect it won't be) then it's either my TF has issues. Your eyesight is not picking it up or I am going nuts
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try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
I am using the same profile settings in handbrake (high profile) and ALL my videos are really smooth! and YES...I did have judder/stutter before. download the sample files and you can test it on your TF.
the ONLY downside is that handbrake takes a while to encode but its worth it!
hope this helps.
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While I agree that, officially, Honeycomb doesn't support the mkv container. It must be able to parse it as it does support WebM and that uses the matroska container.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6553908/with_audio_mp3.mkv
This is the same video stream but with the audio re-encoded to mp3, plays nicely for me in the default video player it I tack ".mp4" on the end to fool the player into trying to play it.
I don't stream but everything e.mote said about hinting is spot on, also you may want to look at interleaving (a feature of the muxing that MP4Box can do) is you want to stream.
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A full 1080p video at 5 Mbit/s would take forever to buffer on a tablet, so it's highly unlikely that you're getting the full quality over the network stream.
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Way too generalized. I have a Playbook and it plays 1080p Youtube in the browser flawlessly.
I played The Cape clip from the example Handbrake settings thread. The clip plays with micro judder like every other clip with sound. I am now using a Prime 1.4 rooted not the stock firmware and it still does it. It is like frame drop every half or quarter second. If you have ever seen NTSC 23.976FPS played back on a PAL 50Hz CRT TV you will know what it looks like. It is very obvious on pans.
Surely I cannot be the ONLY person who can see this??? Are your eyes really that bad?
EDIT: Tried the MP3 version you provided. Still there. You can count the judder. Tick tick tick tick... every quarter second.
EDIT2: I guess the only way to demonstrate this to you guys is by way of a video of it along with some audio prompting from me to point it out to you (excuse the d(t)icks). You will notice that the audio drops out for some reason during playback but when it does the video plays buttery smooth. No idea why the audio drops out. I was playing back the MP3 muxed version from the link above using Moboplayer but this problem - the juddering - occurs with any player I have tried. The juddering happens on every single video I have tested it on when it is decoding audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXfdQP8BtEA
I will restate however. Yotube playback looks much smoother than playing a file from the inbuilt flash memory or SD cards.
I am having the same problem as you and I see the judder on these clips as well. I posted my issues in the encoding guide thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825&page=9
It has nothing to do with the overall bitrate rate as many of my samples are <2,000 kbps, and just like you, if I remove the AAC audio, video is silky smooth. I assume it's just a software issue that should be able to be resolved, but I guess we'll see...
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BTW, if you recoded the clip, then I suggest using better settings. The settings used are excessive. When facing a device with marginal playback, there is less tolerance for bad encodes. If you're anal about playback, then you should be equally anal about your encode settings.
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Thanks for that. But since your video judders just like every other clip that means diddly squat. I don't see why I should have to reencode every video I have in order for it to playback on the TF either. It should be able to handle 720p at least. It does play it but only plays it smoothly with no audio playback whatsoever.
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I am having the same problem as you and I see the judder on these clips as well. I posted my issues in the encoding guide thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825&page=9
It has nothing to do with the overall bitrate rate as many of my samples are <2,000 kbps, and just like you, if I remove the AAC audio, video is silky smooth. I assume it's just a software issue that should be able to be resolved, but I guess we'll see...
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Phew! Thanks for chimeing in! I am glad it's not just me. Do you live in the UK perchance? If not that would rule out any UK specific reasons.
Nope, I'm in the US. My TF is also running Prime 1.4. I've tried the "stock" kernel and the OC kernel and the problem is the same with both. I didn't think to test video before rooting and installing Prime, so I can't vouch for whether or not it happens on completely stock HC 3.1
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How... what...
Are you serious? I see literally no issue. Either my eyes or your camera, one of the two can't pick up this judder. And I did notice the compression in the better encode offered here (text, grappling hooks, lasers, pretty much anything like that. Not a bad result, but clearly visible)
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I have some mkv files on my desktop of the kids blu rays, but I'm looking for something to put it onto the tablet for a plane ride we have to take without having to lug the portable dvd player around. I was thinking about putting some of the files onto my old 7" SGT for my daughter and wondered what might be a decent way to do so. I read about handbrake a little, but wasn't successful in the past when I was trying it out (decryption problems). That was a while back, but wondered if anyone is using anything more current that might help me out.
In addition... is MKV workable on the tf700? It's going to gobble up a ton of SD space but might be fun...
first, try this:
drag the videos to your device, and then download DicePlayer or MX Player (diceplayer if my fav when it comes to mkv). Try playing the videos with either app.
if you experience issues, you can convert using handbrake (i havent used this app in a while), or you can go with DVDCatalayst, my preferred method. It has tons of preset for all devices and is easy to use. I convert 4gb blu ray movies all the time. Shrinks them down to about 1 to 2gb, depending on which preset you use. You have the option to go smaller or bigger.
Another good player is BSPlayer (incase you want to try). Like timrock says, most files play just fine. I'm also using Wondershare player to play DVD's (like VIDEO_TS files), but Dice/BS can both play vob files too.
Are you ripping out to VIDEO_TS folders or can you make a single MKV file to make it easier to transport? I only used MKV's for blu rays but I assume it would compact the DVD's down a little from their full size a little?
I just put a 20gb bluray rip on my 64gb microsd, movie plays great with bsplayer. Keep in mind only h.264 videos will work. Blurays with vc1 video will fail.
One of the main advantages of a droid tablet is you don't have to convert the vast majority of titles out there. I spent so much time ripping stuff to my ipods and psp before. With tegra 3 and mxplayer, I can play basically everything.
Personally, when I have MKVs, I use XMedia Recode to recode them to MP4 -- it lets me copy the video without re-encoding, which takes only about 5 minutes to re-encode a 2 hr 1080p video. I do this for both my phone, tablet, and PS3 media server.
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Personally, when I have MKVs, I use XMedia Recode to recode them to MP4 -- it lets me copy the video without re-encoding, which takes only about 5 minutes to re-encode a 2 hr 1080p video. I do this for both my phone, tablet, and PS3 media server.
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This method will not work with mkvs that come from vc1 based blurays. Mp4 can't contain vc1 video and so far nothing can play vc1 on infinity with HW accel.
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Personally, when I have MKVs, I use XMedia Recode to recode them to MP4 -- it lets me copy the video without re-encoding, which takes only about 5 minutes to re-encode a 2 hr 1080p video. I do this for both my phone, tablet, and PS3 media server.
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I must be doing something wrong - it takes at least a 1/2 hour to recode a mkv rip of a full length movie.
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Personally, when I have MKVs, I use XMedia Recode to recode them to MP4 -- it lets me copy the video without re-encoding, which takes only about 5 minutes to re-encode a 2 hr 1080p video. I do this for both my phone, tablet, and PS3 media server.
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You sure it's actually re-encoding it and not just transcoding it? E.g. is the size about the same as before?
MKV and MP4 are just container formats, you're just wrapping the actual video and audio streams into different container formats, really. Transcoding is pretty much just copying the streams which is fast (usually limited by disk speed), while re-encoding is a heavy CPU/GPU task. Even with Quick Sync it'd take quite a bit longer for a 90+ min movie.
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You sure it's actually re-encoding it and not just transcoding it? E.g. is the size about the same as before?
MKV and MP4 are just container formats, you're just wrapping the actual video and audio streams into different container formats, really. Transcoding is pretty much just copying the streams which is fast (usually limited by disk speed), while re-encoding is a heavy CPU/GPU task. Even with Quick Sync it'd take quite a bit longer for a 90+ min movie.
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Correct all that tool is doing is repackaging the video and probably transcoding the audio into stereo, into MP4. If you use BS player there is no real reason to do this.
Fifth Element mkv is 27gb so I have to transcode it... guess I am doing it right after all...
Cinco5 said:
Personally, when I have MKVs, I use XMedia Recode to recode them to MP4 -- it lets me copy the video without re-encoding, which takes only about 5 minutes to re-encode a 2 hr 1080p video. I do this for both my phone, tablet, and PS3 media server.
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I tried this method and was pretty smooth, but I find the brightness of the converted movie 'hunts' up and down a bit during playback. Not quite sure how the various options work, but is there something to check?
Handbrake Preset for the TF700
I have been doing this with Handbrake for a while now - But not for the Infinity! I want to take advantage of this new fangled Full HD Screen.
QUESTION:
Does anyone have a 1080p Preset that they have created and verified as working for the Infinity? I did a few google searches but they either use a different piece of SW or are focused on 720P!
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I have been doing this with Handbrake for a while now - But not for the Infinity! I want to take advantage of this new fangled Full HD Screen.
QUESTION:
Does anyone have a 1080p Preset that they have created and verified as working for the Infinity? I did a few google searches but they either use a different piece of SW or are focused on 720P!
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i downloaded a 1080p copy of Hunger Games, i think it was about 12gbs. It played fine with BS Player. No conversion required.
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i downloaded a 1080p copy of Hunger Games, i think it was about 12gbs. It played fine with BS Player. No conversion required.
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Just FYI, torrenting movies is illegal, _even if you own the movie_. Why? B/c you are still giving away the movie to others (peers) while you are downloading it. Just sayin'
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Just FYI, torrenting movies is illegal, _even if you own the movie_. Why? B/c you are still giving away the movie to others (peers) while you are downloading it. Just sayin'
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I think that everyone who downloads torrents, knows this already.
FYI, i never said i downloaded the movie via torrent.
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Just FYI, torrenting movies is illegal, _even if you own the movie_. Why? B/c you are still giving away the movie to others (peers) while you are downloading it. Just sayin'
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Limit upload speed to 0 KB/s.
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chris198810 said:
I tried put some .mkv files to TF700, but the device rejected the files. I tried the MX player I installed, the playback in loggy. To get a smooth playback on TF700, I have to googled some other methods. And finally I made up my mind to re-encode the .mkvs.
I found the useful guide Play MKV files on Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 flawlessly from tablet-video-tips.com
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and this is why i say this topic should be a sticky, specifcally for this.
BS Player will play your MKV movies without you having to re-encode them.
Ordered nexus player and gamepad first day on playstore. Just received shipping confirmation with tracking info.
I paid for overnight shipping so I am expecting shipment November 6th, 2014.
Anyone else got their shipping info?
You don't happen to use plex do you OP?
Yes mine will be here Friday. And for the guy above, I use Plex. Want something tested?
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Yes mine will be here Friday. And for the guy above, I use Plex. Want something tested?
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Good ol' XBMC ? I'm interested to see how the x86 build (Kodi Beta 1) runs incl. support for bitstreaming HD audio over HDMI
and how far you can push H.264 1080p decoding (> 20 Mbps ??).
I'm still a bit sceptical about x86 Android with the push from Intel.
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Good ol' XBMC ? I'm interested to see how the x86 build (Kodi Beta 1) runs incl. support for bitstreaming HD audio over HDMI
and how far you can push H.264 1080p decoding (> 20 Mbps ??).
I'm still a bit sceptical about x86 Android with the push from Intel.
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XBMC is on my list to get up and running anyway so I'll definitely test it.
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controllers will be here today. i ordered two players but no ship date yet for those.
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Yes mine will be here Friday. And for the guy above, I use Plex. Want something tested?
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If you could check what it can direct stream that'd be great.
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If you could check what it can direct stream that'd be great.
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Also be sure to max out the quality settings in Plex. By default, and after every updated they change back to low setting that makes most stuff transcode rather than direct stream.
Also let us and Plex know if you get any pauses while playing content, or if it gets stuck on the last frame of direct streaming content like it does on the ADT-1... I been trying to get Plex dev's to acknowledge this for ages.
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Yes mine will be here Friday. And for the guy above, I use Plex. Want something tested?
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I'd love to know what codecs/containers both the integral atom can decode using MX player, etc as well as what XBMC/kodi can deal with on a mapped network drive with streamed native content (mkv, mp4, m4v, avi, x264, xvid, mpeg, ac3, aac, dts, mp3, etc). Thanks for offering to test!
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Also let us and Plex know if it gets stuck on the last frame of direct streaming content like it does on the ADT-1... I been trying to get Plex dev's to acknowledge this for ages.
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Not sure what you mean here. Can you explain?
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Not sure what you mean here. Can you explain?
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Well for me and a few others who have ADT-1's and post on the Plex forums. We've been having an issue where on the last frame of a movie/tv show it will stop/pause on that frame, rather than gracefully return to the previous screen. But it only happens when content is direct streaming the video and transcoding the audio. Most likely all audio will be transcoded because if it has better than stereo sound, it will be transcoded to stereo, since that is all android built in media player (exoplayer) will output for non-google apps (they are supposedly working on adding AC3 passthrough).
As for the other comment about pauses, since the last plex release movies just seem to randomly pause requiring a fastforward/rewind/ or stop/play to get going again... not sure the conditions that this occurs for (transcoding, direct stream, ect).
Luxferro said:
... Most likely all audio will be transcoded because if it has better than stereo sound, it will be transcoded to stereo, since that is all android built in media player (exoplayer) will output for non-google apps (they are supposedly working on adding AC3 passthrough). ...
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Good lord, I didn't know that was an issue. It'd be an extremely poor livingroom media box if all networked streamed media was stereo only! The chromecast was recently updated with AC3 passthrough (finally) and has always supported AAC 5.1 via LPCM, but the chromecast still has no DTS passthrough just yet.
If Android has the same limitations as ChromeOS this will be a terrible media box indeed.
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Good lord, I didn't know that was an issue. It'd be an extremely poor livingroom media box if all networked streamed media was stereo only! The chromecast was recently updated with AC3 passthrough (finally) and has always supported AAC 5.1 via LPCM, but the chromecast still has no DTS passthrough just yet.
If Android has the same limitations as ChromeOS this will be a terrible media box indeed.
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Yeah, it sucks. But at least I got a Google engineer to comment on G+. He said they are working on adding it. Alternatives are virtual surround sound on your receiver, or using a different media player (MX, XBMC, ect), since it's just software related.
I dunno why they don't just add options to passthrough all audio... do they need licenses to passthrough audio? If so they seems pretty stupid. How does XBMC get by with passthrough.... I'm sure they don't pay for licenses.
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Yeah, it sucks. But at least I got a Google engineer to comment on G+. He said they are working on adding it. Alternatives are virtual surround sound on your receiver, or using a different media player (MX, XBMC, ect), since it's just software related.
I dunno why they don't just add options to passthrough all audio... do they need licenses to passthrough audio? If so they seems pretty stupid. How does XBMC get by with passthrough.... I'm sure they don't pay for licenses.
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A license is indeed technically required to passthrough (which, as you state, is really stupid), however Roku somehow squeaked around that issue to support passthrough... they wouldn't detail how in their forums but did confirm that they did NOT get a license. Unfortunately the Roku isn't the best media box either as they don't internally transcode AAC 5.1 to LPCM, only downmix to stereo.
I would think a box as powerful as the Nexus Player would impliment internal transcoding of all 5.1 formats to LPCM 5.1 as the PS3 does, or give the option to passthrough. Heck, even my $79 blu-ray player from Sony transcodes AAC 5.1 to LPCM 5.1 and directly passes through AC3 and DTS. Google isn't a tiny op (like Roku)... this situation on Android, if it does exist on the Nexus Player, needs to be addressed ASAP.
I'm also very interested in which codecs are supported with plex. My Samsung tv does a tremendous job in playing more or less everything direct play. Chromecast on the other hand only do x264 (preferably in mp4 container). I have remuxed several of my dvds to mkv and kept the MPEG 2 video and ac3/DTS streams. Good for archiving. I wonder if Nexus player can handle at least MPEG 2. Ac3 seems to be under development for passthrough.
I also really hope they have not included cinavia protection!
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A license is indeed technically required to passthrough (which, as you state, is really stupid), however Roku somehow squeaked around that issue to support passthrough... they wouldn't detail how in their forums but did confirm that they did NOT get a license. Unfortunately the Roku isn't the best media box either as they don't internally transcode AAC 5.1 to LPCM, only downmix to stereo.
I would think a box as powerful as the Nexus Player would impliment internal transcoding of all 5.1 formats to LPCM 5.1 as the PS3 does, or give the option to passthrough. Heck, even my $79 blu-ray player from Sony transcodes AAC 5.1 to LPCM 5.1 and directly passes through AC3 and DTS. Google isn't a tiny op (like Roku)... this situation on Android, if it does exist on the Nexus Player, needs to be addressed ASAP.
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The ADT-1 can decode 5.1, and output multichannel PCM, but only for select google apps; like Play Movies, ect.
When you think about it, HDMI cables should require a license to transfer AC3 and DTS from point A to B....lol I don't see how passthrough audio w/o decoding or touching it is any different.
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I'm also very interested in which codecs are supported with plex. My Samsung tv does a tremendous job in playing more or less everything direct play. Chromecast on the other hand only do x264 (preferably in mp4 container). I have remuxed several of my dvds to mkv and kept the MPEG 2 video and ac3/DTS streams. Good for archiving. I wonder if Nexus player can handle at least MPEG 2. Ac3 seems to be under development for passthrough.
I also really hope they have not included cinavia protection!
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Plex uses what ever media player is built in to said device. For Android, it's exoplayer. On your Samsung TV (and my own), it's Samsung's media player and their APIs that Plex use.
I know it uses internal player like exoplayer, but which codecs are supported with exoplayer on nexus player?
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Luxferro said:
The ADT-1 can decode 5.1, and output multichannel PCM, but only for select google apps; like Play Movies, ect.
When you think about it, HDMI cables should require a license to transfer AC3 and DTS from point A to B....lol I don't see how passthrough audio w/o decoding or touching it is any different.
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Plex uses what ever media player is built in to said device. For Android, it's exoplayer. On your Samsung TV (and my own), it's Samsung's media player and their APIs that Plex use.
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I couldn't agree more about the HDMI cable license as that would be common sense... the whole license deal is so screwed up for both audio and video and always has been. But Google could clearly afford to license properly for their media boxes!
As for Plex: its doubly important what the Nexus Player natively supports for those running Plex servers on non-Intel NAS devices such as most Synology NASes. Those don't have the power to transcode so Plex can only direct/bitstream for both video and audio. The Nexus Player needs to be robust in its native container and codec support to exist in a livingroom.
I wonder how kodi gets around the walled garden to bitstream properly over android's hdmi, or do they? I've never run XBMC/kodi on android.
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I wonder how kodi gets around the walled garden to bitstream properly, or do they on Android?
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They have it on Android. You need to enable expert settings then its listed. I just installed it the other day so I could watch something without it pausing all the time.
I'm sure as soon as the masses get their nexus players and complain to Plex they won't be able to ignore us on the bugs; like the pausing issue in their last android release.
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They have it on Android. You need to enable expert settings then its listed. I just installed it the other day so I could watch something without it pausing all the time.
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Have you tested a bunch of containers and codes on the ADT-1's kodi? If it has native passthrough for both AC3 and DTS, does it also transcode AAC 5.1 to multichannel PCM or downmix to stereo PCM? I assume it natively supports all kinds of containers considering what the PC version can do, but it'd be great to try a variety to verify. How about xvid and/or mpeg-2? I'd also be interested how it supports .flac and other uncompressed audio codecs.
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I'm sure as soon as the masses get their nexus players and complain to Plex they won't be able to ignore us on the bugs; like the pausing issue in their last android release.
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I sure hope so... hopefully we can encourage people here to all send bug reports and complaints.