Samsung Galaxy S10e [EXYNOS AND NOT ALL SD]Root made by possible with magisk - Samsung Galaxy S10e Guides, News, & Discussion

Courtesy and special thanks to John Wu developer of magisk!
Here is the info. It is highly recommended to read carefully and follow the instructions to the T. This is not for the faint of heart or newbies just trying to root their phone for the first time. You will lose some things (Knox and pay) and gain some great things by rooting this device.
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-plus-s10e-s10-exynos-rooted-magisk-canary/
From what I understand people are even rooting their snap dragon versions of the phones as well. I would let the more experienced flashers help guide you through.
Thanks again to John Wu for bringing this to the table.

Possible with the snapdragon variant? I am new to this so Idk if snapdragon models ever gets the same treatment as the exonys versions

Going_Insomniac said:
Possible with the snapdragon variant? I am new to this so Idk if snapdragon models ever gets the same treatment as the exonys versions
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Like I mentioned before ..I believe I saw some people trying it on Twitter.. that's where I got most of my info from and then just kept watching.

Going_Insomniac said:
Possible with the snapdragon variant? I am new to this so Idk if snapdragon models ever gets the same treatment as the exonys versions
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Only Exynos version

It may one day be possible to do Snapdragon variant but unsure.

ironmaskusa said:
Courtesy and special thanks to John Wu developer of magisk!
Here is the info. It is highly recommended to read carefully and follow the instructions to the T. This is not for the faint of heart or newbies just trying to root their phone for the first time. You will lose some things (Knox and pay) and gain some great things by rooting this device.
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-plus-s10e-s10-exynos-rooted-magisk-canary/
From what I understand people are even rooting their snap dragon versions of the phones as well. I would let the more experienced flashers help guide you through.
Thanks again to John Wu for bringing this to the table.
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I'm gonna risk it and try in on snapdragon variant
Do Not try on the snapdragon variant.It will fail at vbmeta.img

Samsung is making it harder and harder to root devices. For Magisk to work, we technically have to boot to recovery every single time.

@ironmaskusa, you really should change the title and include "[EXYNOS and not all SD]" because this thread does not appy to North American Snapdragon devices, as topjohnwu himself stated. There are reports of Chinese/HK SD devices that have successfully gone through the procedure (and yet other Chinese/HK have failed), but for those of us with SM-G97OU/U1 and locked bootloaders, the Magisk procedure will not work.

lost_ said:
@ironmaskusa, you really should change the title and include "[EXYNOS and not all SD]" because this thread does not appy to North American Snapdragon devices, as topjohnwu himself stated. There are reports of Chinese/HK SD devices that have successfully gone through the procedure (and yet other Chinese/HK have failed), but for those of us with SM-G97OU/U1 and locked bootloaders, the Magisk procedure will not work.
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I can confirm it wont work,ganuteed to fail at vbmeta.img every time,plus Samsung implemented hash checks on partitions
I misspelled that word oof

Any news on the snapdragon variant? I'm getting the HK version, G9700 dualsim/snapdragon, and would be interested in getting working magisk.
I come from oneplus devices, friendly with twrp and stuff. Last sammy was tye S2...
Also, is there anyway to avoid knox triggering?
The pros of rooting dicreased a lot for me anyway, want to use substratum and a few silly magisk modules (especially for viper)
Let me know who's up to mod our G9700 and have some fun with it.

Morphine1 said:
Any news on the snapdragon variant? I'm getting the HK version, G9700 dualsim/snapdragon, and would be interested in getting working magisk.
I come from oneplus devices, friendly with twrp and stuff. Last sammy was tye S2...
Also, is there anyway to avoid knox triggering?
The pros of rooting dicreased a lot for me anyway, want to use substratum and a few silly magisk modules (especially for viper)
Let me know who's up to mod our G9700 and have some fun with it.
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I own a G9700 and have successfully rooted it. Knox WILL get tripped, and as of right now, I am having issues with the device rebooting randomly and issues with WiFi not connecting automatically. Also, disabling mobile data seems to keep the "4G" icon visible afterwards. Only problems i've encountered thus far

znbaboy said:
I own a G9700 and have successfully rooted it. Knox WILL get tripped, and as of right now, I am having issues with the device rebooting randomly and issues with WiFi not connecting automatically. Also, disabling mobile data seems to keep the "4G" icon visible afterwards. Only problems i've encountered thus far
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Thanks for your reply.

Can someone give a detailed explanation or a link to information on why this won't work for us snapdragons. This is the first phone I've owned that I've not been able to root. Im not necessarily a noob to rooting phone(as in following a guide) but I'm very intrigued by the inner working of the process.
Does anyone have a link to any information that goes into detail on how one goes about finding an exploit to root a phone. I have a little bit of programming experience but I'm sure I'm no where in the realm of being able to come up with my own exploits. Im kind of seeking knowledge on what it would take in order to start learning how to circumvent the security on devices so one day I may be able to give back to the community by providing my own exploits.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. I love these forums and want to help the community but I don't know how to go about finding the information I need in order to start learning the essentials in going about finding exploits and providing root methods. Thank you everyone for your awesomeness.
If any mods feel this is in the wrong section please feel free to move it or let me know and I will create a new post.

weinerwad3000 said:
Can someone give a detailed explanation or a link to information on why this won't work for us snapdragons. This is the first phone I've owned that I've not been able to root. Im not necessarily a noob to rooting phone(as in following a guide) but I'm very intrigued by the inner working of the process.
Does anyone have a link to any information that goes into detail on how one goes about finding an exploit to root a phone. I have a little bit of programming experience but I'm sure I'm no where in the realm of being able to come up with my own exploits. Im kind of seeking knowledge on what it would take in order to start learning how to circumvent the security on devices so one day I may be able to give back to the community by providing my own exploits.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. I love these forums and want to help the community but I don't know how to go about finding the information I need in order to start learning the essentials in going about finding exploits and providing root methods. Thank you everyone for your awesomeness.
If any mods feel this is in the wrong section please feel free to move it or let me know and I will create a new post.
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Rooting won't work on US Qualcomm/Snapdragon S9/S10 devices because Samsung has tightened their security a lot since the S8. In fact even the S8 is difficult to root, it only works if you have an old bootloader. Your best option is to go with the international/global "F" devices which has full custom recovery, Magisk, hide root, etc. While they say that the intentional devices won't work with Verizon (CDMA/LTE), I can confirm they work just fine since Verizon uses VoLTE for voice now.
As far as root being possible on US devices, it's hard to tell, if they find a loophole it could come tomorrow, but it could also come in 10 years from now, so it's probably not worth waiting when you have the international Exynos models available for rooting today.

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[Q] Questions about root methods (towelroot) and not "tripping" Knox

Just read some posts in the towelroot forum, and I had some questions - but first, a little about me:
I'm coming from an HTC Evo 4g LTE (Sprint) and I just switched to Ting (uses all Sprint towers & devices, just an a-la-carte payment plan as opposed to monthly)
Anywho, all this Knox business (and acquiring root for the S5) is new to me (but I am no newbie when it comes to root, just my first time owning a Samsung device.) I havent even had this phone for 24 hours yet.
Just wanted to know what build/kernel/Android version you were on when you attempted towelroot?
I am on Android 4.4.2 - Build: KOT49H.G900PVPU1AND2
I did not install the System OR Software Update that is in my notification list after activation. (Pretty much same rules were for the HTC Evo 4G LTE, it would update the bootloader to a version that was considered "unmoddable" at the time) and for that phone it was also called "S-OFF" (S stood for Security) - Im guessing Knox is somewhat similar...?
Also, what is the preferred root method for the G900P? I only know of towelroot and CF-Auto-Root (sp?) - I know Chainfire makes apps specifically for Samsung devices, but read an old post on another site that CF's method will "trip" Knox... is that still accurate?
Just wanted to be 100% confident in what I'm doing, before I attempt anything. (Again, I have a lot of experience in HTC devices; not so much with Samsung) :/
Any help regarding my device and acquiring root without "tripping" Knox is greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance! - zmag
zmag said:
Just read some posts in the towelroot forum, and I had some questions - but first, a little about me:
I'm coming from an HTC Evo 4g LTE (Sprint) and I just switched to Ting (uses all Sprint towers & devices, just an a-la-carte payment plan as opposed to monthly)
Anywho, all this Knox business (and acquiring root for the S5) is new to me (but I am no newbie when it comes to root, just my first time owning a Samsung device.) I havent even had this phone for 24 hours yet.
Just wanted to know what build/kernel/Android version you were on when you attempted towelroot?
I am on Android 4.4.2 - Build: KOT49H.G900PVPU1AND2
I did not install the System OR Software Update that is in my notification list after activation. (Pretty much same rules were for the HTC Evo 4G LTE, it would update the bootloader to a version that was considered "unmoddable" at the time) and for that phone it was also called "S-OFF" (S stood for Security) - Im guessing Knox is somewhat similar...?
Also, what is the preferred root method for the G900P? I only know of towelroot and CF-Auto-Root (sp?) - I know Chainfire makes apps specifically for Samsung devices, but read an old post on another site that CF's method will "trip" Knox... is that still accurate?
Just wanted to be 100% confident in what I'm doing, before I attempt anything. (Again, I have a lot of experience in HTC devices; not so much with Samsung) :/
Any help regarding my device and acquiring root without "tripping" Knox is greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance! - zmag
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Check out the root thread sticky in general section.
Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
CCallahan said:
Check out the root thread sticky in general section.
Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
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To add to this I just purchased a S5 coming after an S1 and S3.
I am wondering if I have to worry about any updates on sprint locking me out. My S3 is on Verizon and luckily I rooted it before they came out with the update that locked it out. Can I go to the newest version that my phone wants to update me to without any fears of being locked out in the future?
JurKZ said:
To add to this I just purchased a S5 coming after an S1 and S3.
I am wondering if I have to worry about any updates on sprint locking me out. My S3 is on Verizon and luckily I rooted it before they came out with the update that locked it out. Can I go to the newest version that my phone wants to update me to without any fears of being locked out in the future?
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Currently for the Sprint 900P (not the 860 Sport) NE5 is the latest build and I have not heard of anything being patched to not allow root.
However, it is best practice to always wait on taking any new Sprint updates until the devs have time to look into it and make sure root is still possible. There is no way for anyone to know what Sprint/Samsung/Google will patch in future updates. It usually only takes the dev community about a day or so to confirm whether existing root methods will still work.

To Root or Not to Root

I apologize if this has been poster and answered somewhere already. I've been searching for forums related to the S5 active and haven't had much luck.
I have rooted phones and tablets before, must recently my Tab S, so I'm not new to the root process.
I guess my first question is, would you recommend rooting this phone? And if so, what method would you suggest?
My next question is, what if any good custom roms are out there for this phone?
Thanks
Milkdudengr said:
I apologize if this has been poster and answered somewhere already. I've been searching for forums related to the S5 active and haven't had much luck.
I have rooted phones and tablets before, must recently my Tab S, so I'm not new to the root process.
I guess my first question is, would you recommend rooting this phone? And if so, what method would you suggest?
My next question is, what if any good custom roms are out there for this phone?
Thanks
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It's all down to choice. If you're happy voiding the warranty on your device (Most people are here at XDA) to get more customisation and features then by all means go ahead and root. The guide here should help you obtain root on your device as it is for all variants of the S5.
As for ROMS for the S5 Active I would recommend looking at the S5 Unified development category and also keep searching on Google as since it is a "special edition" phone (By that I mean not the main device of the lineup) it will take longer for custom ROMs to be developed.
TechMinerUK said:
It's all down to choice. If you're happy voiding the warranty on your device (Most people are here at XDA) to get more customisation and features then by all means go ahead and root. The guide here should help you obtain root on your device as it is for all variants of the S5.
As for ROMS for the S5 Active I would recommend looking at the S5 Unified development category and also keep searching on Google as since it is a "special edition" phone (By that I mean not the main device of the lineup) it will take longer for custom ROMs to be developed.
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Thanks for the response! Voiding the warranty doesn't bother me, I was just unsure about the limited info I was finding. But now that I know where to look, I have everything I need. Thanks for the help!
If u wanna get most out of your phone than root is the first step to it. Otherwi se learn to be satisfied with the present performance of the phone.
Root it so that you'll be able to increase you devices performance. And for the custom roms, maybe try cyanogenmod.

Wondering about ROOT capibilities

Hi guys, been lurking these forums off and on for awhile but I finally decided to make an account in attempt to my root my S5.
Generally I have a decent technical understanding of the android system but root is something i've never dived into completely so I had some questions and concerns. My biggest concern is that I attempted to root the phone a few months ago (I believe it was with..kingroot? if that sounds right) but failed, I'd like to try to root successfully but am wondering if the previous attempt could mess anything up and if so, how to fix that.
I was only wondering what exactly I would need to root the device, as in downgrading OS(?) or if only certain models are elligible or the like. Last but not least Id be interesting in finding the "best" rooting tutorial (assuming the stickied one isnt)
Thanks a lot guys, looking forward to getting into this!
lukef555 said:
Hi guys, been lurking these forums off and on for awhile but I finally decided to make an account in attempt to my root my S5.
Generally I have a decent technical understanding of the android system but root is something i've never dived into completely so I had some questions and concerns. My biggest concern is that I attempted to root the phone a few months ago (I believe it was with..kingroot? if that sounds right) but failed, I'd like to try to root successfully but am wondering if the previous attempt could mess anything up and if so, how to fix that.
I was only wondering what exactly I would need to root the device, as in downgrading OS(?) or if only certain models are elligible or the like. Last but not least Id be interesting in finding the "best" rooting tutorial (assuming the stickied one isnt)
Thanks a lot guys, looking forward to getting into this!
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Well first you need to tell us about your phone, like what software version you're running currently?
lukef555 said:
Hi guys, been lurking these forums off and on for awhile but I finally decided to make an account in attempt to my root my S5.
Generally I have a decent technical understanding of the android system but root is something i've never dived into completely so I had some questions and concerns. My biggest concern is that I attempted to root the phone a few months ago (I believe it was with..kingroot? if that sounds right) but failed, I'd like to try to root successfully but am wondering if the previous attempt could mess anything up and if so, how to fix that.
I was only wondering what exactly I would need to root the device, as in downgrading OS(?) or if only certain models are elligible or the like. Last but not least Id be interesting in finding the "best" rooting tutorial (assuming the stickied one isnt)
Thanks a lot guys, looking forward to getting into this!
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If you are on builds OE1 or OG5 you cannot root, downgrade, or do anything. You are stuck with stock. If you have anything before OE1 you have options.
Thanks for the replies guys sorry I wasnt more specific. Im running Android 5.0 and my build number is LRX21T.G900VVRU2BOG5 , is that what you mean by build? If so, is the root for it just not figured out yet or is there something stopping the device from being rooted permanently?
lukef555 said:
Thanks for the replies guys sorry I wasnt more specific. Im running Android 5.0 and my build number is LRX21T.G900VVRU2BOG5 , is that what you mean by build? If so, is the root for it just not figured out yet or is there something stopping the device from being rooted permanently?
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That is the build I was talking about. Between the locked bootloader and the security patches, it would seem the device is permanently stopped from being rooted.
landshark68 said:
That is the build I was talking about. Between the locked bootloader and the security patches, it would seem the device is permanently stopped from being rooted.
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Well thats a shame, guess I'll wait till my next phone hahah thanks though!!

Is Development Dead?

This is more just a general question of your opinion. I can't believe it's been almost a year and no bootloader unlock. I would have loved to see CM running on this device. It almost makes me want to go back to HTC because they openly allow the bootloader to be unlocked. IMO I think we have reached as best as we can with the echo ROM. I uninstalled it due to it not having much benefits. What are your thoughts on this device? Do you think we will ever see a bootloader unlock or is devolopment dead on this device?
I believe that development might pick up again with nougat's official January (i believe) release because it offers much more than Marshmallow. Maybe we'll get an official bootloader unlock or some dev on his spare time finds a way to do it. CM either way is only being made personally through devs now (closed its doors yesterday) but there will be a forthcoming with LineageOS from the same team.
Yeah I read about cm and lineage. So if I'm understanding. An OS update could provide a new vulnerability and allow an unlocked bootloader?
Keyword there is could. Hopefully some progress down the line would be nice and if we got to start a prize pot for it, I wouldn't mind.
I would definitely kick in some money to a bootloader unlock bounty. Right now my only 2 complaints with the s7 are lack of custom roms and not being able to find a good full coverage glass screen protector. If I can help one of those I will. I am half tempted to sell my tmo s7 and buy an exynos s7 because there seems to be more development there. But I'll wait for nougat.
jah feel
I feel your pain. When I first planned on getting the S7, I was excited about getting a sexy-design phone with better specs and putting all my music on the phone via a 128GB SD card and chilling out with ViPER4Android... but that was all a dream. I've been very hesitant to go through with the current root method because from what I've read, there are tons of bugs to deal with and tons of tweaks to do to not get very far in the end. I'm honestly very sad about this purchase. If I had more time to research the locked bootloader issue, I would have gone with a different phone. But my S5 finally gave up and I had to get a new phone ASAP. I would also pitch in for a bootloader unlock or something. I mainly want a stable phone with ViPER4Android. Can't live without it... it's been hell. Halp pl0x.
I would definetely pay for an unlocked bootloader also. The exynos definitely seems to have more devolpment than the u.s. But I'm rooted and after flashing a fix+debloat and installing Xposed everything is running smooth. It would be awesome to see more devolepment though.
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I would definetely pay for an unlocked bootloader also. The exynos definitely seems to have more devolpment than the u.s. But I'm rooted and after flashing a fix+debloat and installing Xposed everything is running smooth. It would be awesome to see more devolepment though.
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Can you link me to the posts about the fix+debloat you flashed please? I have tried rooting and couldn't figure out how to fix the super slowness and the overheating. Also, what Firmware are you running?
r3xx3r said:
Can you link me to the posts about the fix+debloat you flashed please? I have tried rooting and couldn't figure out how to fix the super slowness and the overheating. Also, what Firmware are you running?
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Sure thing buddy here you go https://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-galaxy-s7/help/development-dead-t3530239#post70398278
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r3xx3r said:
Can you link me to the posts about the fix+debloat you flashed please? I have tried rooting and couldn't figure out how to fix the super slowness and the overheating. Also, what Firmware are you running?
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Sorry I put the wrong link twice.. Heres the right one https://forum.xda-developers.com/ve...-to-notes-root-install-xposed-unroot-t3411039
It's under recommended next steps for the flash fix

Please advise on unlocking bootloader on LG V20 H910

Hi all,
I have found this simple guide to unlock the bootloader on LG V20 H910 have someone tried it then installed lineage OS 17.1 after please ? :
https://www.hardreset.info/devices/lg/lg-v20-at-and-t-h910/faq/faq/lg-bootloader-unlock/
Thanks a lot for your replies.
Sofiene.Saidi said:
Hi all,
I have found this simple guide to unlock the bootloader on LG V20 H910 have someone tried it then installed lineage OS 17.1 after please ? :
https://www.hardreset.info/devices/lg/lg-v20-at-and-t-h910/faq/faq/lg-bootloader-unlock/
Thanks a lot for your replies.
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That guide is bs
Sent from my LG-H910 using XDA Labs
cnjax said:
That guide is bs
Sent from my LG-H910 using XDA Labs
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Can you tell me how please ? This video from 2016 confirm it too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-71Z-C4nAA
Yes it was a BS since no bootloader mode in this device so please dirty santa is the unique way ? Please notice I am on oreo so if you have a link to a complete guide please do not hesitate
Sofiene.Saidi said:
Yes it was a BS since no bootloader mode in this device so please dirty santa is the unique way ? Please notice I am on oreo so if you have a link to a complete guide please do not hesitate
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This is not the right place to ask for help with this... Check out the "guide" section... And ask questions In " Questions & Answers" section.
I think this is best method:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/how-to/guide-root-twrp-lg-v20-using-dirtysanta-t3722278
Others use h915 kdz.
Please refrain from posting on this thread again. It will make me regret helping.
Don't forget to thank people who help you in the thread with thanks button. Specially if the guide they made helps a ton. Note this will get rid of at&t software. I think there is way too restore it still but I have not checked for a while.
this is helpful
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Is there any current way to unlock the bootloader on the LG V20 H910 with AT&T's latest firmware release? AT&T has locked diown the bootloader, and with LG no longer in the cell phone game, they aren't able to provide the OEM bootloader unlock code as well. A few people have also mentioned that the Dirty Santa no longer works on these devices. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
grmoro said:
Is there any current way to unlock the bootloader on the LG V20 H910 with AT&T's latest firmware release?
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At least did you try to follow the instructions available? According to this post from October-2022 it worked on H910 AT&T.
dextructor said:
At least did you try to follow the instructions available? According to this post from October-2022 it worked on H910 AT&T.
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Yes. I tried it and its useless. Struggling to find a bootloader unlock process that actually works for the H910.
grmoro said:
Yes. I tried it and its useless. Struggling to find a bootloader unlock process that actually works for the H910.
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You are looking for help, because you don't know how to solve it. So we as a community need a little bit of cooperation from everyone to be able to understand if it's a limitation/roadblock of the method, or if you are doing something wrong for whatever reason.
So posting: "don't work", "it's useless" and anything like that not only don't help but discouraging others who read this threads. Tell the problem/error that you encounter.
I found another user who said that he flashed dirtysanta directly and once have TWRP he worked around it the downgrade flashing necessary.
As last resort you can swap the motherboard for one that is vulnerable for the exploit.
But if you wanna some one-click "I don't wanna have trouble" solution, I'm sorry that I can't provide that.
dextructor said:
You are looking for help, because you don't know how to solve it. So we as a community need a little bit of cooperation from everyone to be able to understand if it's a limitation/roadblock of the method, or if you are doing something wrong for whatever reason.
So posting: "don't work", "it's useless" and anything like that not only don't help but discouraging others who read this threads. Tell the problem/error that you encounter.
I found another user who said that he flashed dirtysanta directly and once have TWRP he worked around it the downgrade flashing necessary.
As last resort you can swap the motherboard for one that is vulnerable for the exploit.
But if you wanna some one-click "I don't wanna have trouble" solution, I'm sorry that I can't provide that.
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I have a clients device that needs to be updated, hence the search to unlock the bootloader and then update the device. The posts I come across, even new ones seem to be reposts of others work from before LG shut down their bootloader unlocking service, so ehen you follow their steps they don't work at various steps. I've been updating devices as far back as Android 1.5 and for some devices its a struggle to update them at all. Replacing the pcb isn't an option right now as the customer won't pay for it. Hence I scour various websites and forums for solutions as other post their success/failure in doing the same on this device. Too often I find people posting about updating their devices, only to find that they either already had their bootloader unlocked before LG shutdown their service to do so, or they just don;t reply to a PM about their process, hence they're fake posts, or old posts from years prior being reposted for no valid purpose. The amount of tim I spend to update peoples devices and test custom ROMs is actually fruitless in terms of money paid, but more for me to keep devices out of the landfills whenever possible. Every time I mod a device I make and keep notes, as well as the files used, stored on one of my NAS as I know I'll be doing it again in the future, including properly and fully testing custom roms to determine if they're actually working properly, or exactly what their issue(s) is(are), and I keep finding a plethora of bugs and issues with too many custom ROMs being pumped out before proper testing. I routinely turn down some device update requests when update steps are convoluted, fractured or even requirements are no longer valid. I'll keep looking around and trying various methods as I come across them. Thx.
No problems, I feel for you because I like to keep people using devices that otherwise would be discarded without real needs.
grmoro said:
I'll keep looking around and trying various methods as I come across them. Thx.
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Did you try this other method?

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