Everyone here and there are saying android is the OS of the future. Android should be on HD2. Android is Open Source etc etc
Whats so cool about it?
Lets make some comparison (from my point of view, you may differ)
Apple OS
Advantages
1 Amazing Smooth Graphics Best in its class
2 Logical GUI again Bsst in its class
Disadvantages
1 I need itunes to get some music suppose say friends pc.
2 I cannot use it as pen Drive.
Windows Mobile OS
Advantages
1 Can be alternate for most of PC's work.
2 Installing Music, soft is a breeze.
3 I use pc at work and home so modying to my taste is easy.
Disadvantages
1 Outdated Interface like still using windows 98 when Windows 7 is out.
2 GUI is more inclined for PC like task but shuld by changed logically to smartphone
Android OS
Advantages
1 Open Source ???????
Disadvantages
1 Open Source - Look where is linux, Its fine for complex computing but for everyday joe... noo
I think Windows mobile will bounce back with wm7/8. But Iphone Os and Blackberry will continue to haunt it for a while.
If you use it you will know what is so good, there are many features that android has over apple :
ADV:
-Multi-tasking
-3rd party apps
-exchange support
-customization
-push emails to phone
-multiple emails can be setup
-price is lower than iphone
-OS layers(Sense,Blur,Pulse,timescape,liquid,etc)
I dont have any disadvantages but im sure someone else can post those.
apple.
-no multitasking
-came up with 3 os updates just to get copy/paste.
-not customizable
windows mobile-
compatible with any computer
-gps is hackable
-customizable
-has word mobile
CONS with wm-
-6.5 is only 6.1, just a little bit more friendly
-need outside resources to sync with mac
-many different screen sizes/phones for apps, so takes longer
Ace42 said:
If you use it you will know what is so good, there are many features that android has over apple :
ADV:
-Multi-tasking
-3rd party apps
-exchange support
-customization
-push emails to phone
-multiple emails can be setup
-price is lower than iphone
-OS layers(Sense,Blur,Pulse,timescape,liquid,etc)
I dont have any disadvantages but im sure someone else can post those.
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Windows OS supports all of these namely
Multi tasking
3rd party apps
exchange support
puse emails
multiple emails
price is still lower than iphone except
but whats OS layers sense,blur,pulse,timescape,liquird etc if its like os interface software than windows alos habe htc sense , spb shell etc . and may improve with wm7.
Iphone has the smoothest graphics and animation, windows os is flexible and most tweakable.
so for me Windows OS wins on features... even its not too finger firiendly
ya ya ya ya ...
waqqqas said:
ya ya ya ya ...
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For a first post, I'm rather disappointed. If you have nothing sensible to say, best to say nothing at all
Hopefully your 2nd post will have had more thought put into it
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ya ya ya ya ...
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Thanks and welcome to xda
Fallen Spartan said:
For a first post, I'm rather disappointed. If you have nothing sensible to say, best to say nothing at all
Hopefully your 2nd post will have had more thought put into it
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I was also thinking same about his first post. But coming back to topic - Whats good about android when all the functionality i can get in WM.
rahulelectra said:
Thanks and welcome to xda
I was also thinking same about his first post. But coming back to topic - Whats good about android when all the functionality i can get in WM.
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Well, it's a little less outdated. WM is getting past mature almost into old, it still has some life though, however I feel it can't compete with Android. Spend a week with an Android device (namely the Nexus One) and you'll be amazed
Webos!
Can we throw webos from palm in the mix?
Pros
--Gorgeous UI
--Amazing ability for syncing
--3rd party promgrams
--Amazing multitasking
--Very hackable
--Very Customizable
--Gets flash in next update
--Super fast growing amount of apps (though limited at the moment)
Cons
-- Features that should have been standard have to be turned on through developer mode.
--Could use more hardware options
--Not enough apps.
To me, Webos stands out and above
android os has many pros and cons, as does iphone os, windows mobile isout of the match and windows phone 7 isnt really for developers but has many pros, its a matter of taste, whatever you like or suits you, their all good, just going around talking crap about each os is stupid, sorry but your a big time a**hole.
Simply because it is open source.
rahulelectra said:
Everyone here and there are saying android is the OS of the future. Android should be on HD2. Android is Open Source etc etc
Whats so cool about it?
Lets make some comparison (from my point of view, you may differ)
Apple OS
Advantages
1 Amazing Smooth Graphics Best in its class
2 Logical GUI again Bsst in its class
Disadvantages
1 I need itunes to get some music suppose say friends pc.
2 I cannot use it as pen Drive.
Windows Mobile OS
Advantages
1 Can be alternate for most of PC's work.
2 Installing Music, soft is a breeze.
3 I use pc at work and home so modying to my taste is easy.
Disadvantages
1 Outdated Interface like still using windows 98 when Windows 7 is out.
2 GUI is more inclined for PC like task but shuld by changed logically to smartphone
Android OS
Advantages
1 Open Source ???????
Disadvantages
1 Open Source - Look where is linux, Its fine for complex computing but for everyday joe... noo
I think Windows mobile will bounce back with wm7/8. But Iphone Os and Blackberry will continue to haunt it for a while.
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Hi to XDA!
For me android and iOS rule the roost.
Here are my reasons
- Android has the second biggest app ecosystem at this time. nearly 500,000 apps. Compare that to WM's less than 80,000
- The tweakability factor for Android is just ridiculous. The things you can do with the OS can't be compared with any other OS.
- True multi-tasking with the newer phones
- App refunds!
- Google Sync, the biggest email provider in the world at this moment
- As a developer, Linux is very easy. C# which is used to code for WM, is really difficult. Android has provided with us with an easy to use SDK, WM still is trying to get it right.
- If you were talking about WIN CE and not WP, then it was good at that time. But it never took off and is dead at that time.
I'm wondering if apps that are on windows store for WP8 if will work on WP7.8 devices or there will be an option for developers to port easily the apps to both version of OS with same source code but with little optimizations?
I try to search something on Google but i didn't find something.
XAP and apx
well . it will NOT work . more likely developers will now have to decide .. program will run on ALL available devices or only on new .
there are 2 formats linked with minimal hardware requirements
1. XAP - Qualcomm S1 800 mghz / 256 ram. it supposed to be like universal
2. APX . qualcomm S4 / 512 ram
windows Phone 7.8 - Supports only XAP
Windows Phone 8 - Supports APX and XAP
I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.
512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED
mo3ulla said:
512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED
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I feel like they sh1t on us with this, they push the WP7 and now they remove it from market with WP8...
when Apple can upgrade iPhone 3G to iOS6, MS can't upgrade a one to another version of OS
1 . you cant upgrade Iphone 3g to ios 6. only 3gs .
2. Ios6 on 3gs - is pretty same as 5 . nothing new.
3. despite on possobility of implement siri on 4g . they did not
4. there is plenty of apps which require dedicated minimum of Iphone (4 and later ) and not working on any others 3-3gs ) .
same approach as apple implemented by MS .
in 7.8 implemented most of features to keep platform inside Windows Phone ecosistem without any problem ( well as some sort of - low end ( :laugh: . same design . close API and programming functionality .
and Nt kernel a bit huge for low end devices , its not CE with minimal system requirements
if you think that APX will become a REQUIREMENT you are wrong . from developer side . APX more like an option
Gizmo_x said:
I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.
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it's not just the ram, it's also the chipset your HTC mozart still using 1st gen snapdragon, so it might not be powerful enough to run win 8 apps
as ms supposed
apx intended for
1. HD applications or programs ported from windows RT
2. application with exccessive calculations or graphical requiremens ( premium games )
for rest of applications is still intended - xap
The HTC Mozart is now 2 years old. If it gets WP 7.8 it will still have gotten better/longer support than most android devices. Windows Phone 8 is a huge overhaul of the OS (and it uses a different kernel) so WP 8 apps can not run on WP7.5/7.8 devices, however WP8 has been designed to be backwards compatible so WP8 will run most of the WP7.5/7.8 apps.
I think it is bold to assume that every single developer will instantly abandon the WP7.x platform completely, more likely they will put out one version for each system.
Still, if you'd rather move to android or iOS, no one is stoping you.
Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.
i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.
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Ok, good bye. Have fun with android or iOS, whatever you prefer.
Dinchy87 said:
i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.
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I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)
I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)
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if they lock the big tile to OEMs that would be a disappointment to all developers. first the wp8 SDK needs to much resources. i have to buy additional 2GB of RAM, and i need to reinstall my windows 8 to x64. Thats to much for the majority of developers to ask for. So wp8 could also make an slow progress on apps because of that fact. and the last thing about all that is we must pay to develop and spread our apps from which the Windows Phone ecosystem lives! i would set the developer price to $0 for the once which are offering free no ad apps. if you want to add ads to your apps microsoft gets an % share of the earnings, and the third possible situation you want to make paid apps, you pay % of the share of each app selled. so every possible developer would jump on the wp7 wp8 development. but if we pay, like i, and get our apps out, then we get the SDK late, and it uses s o much resources and Microsoft earns on us then this is not ok! They are selling apps as an major feature, and without developers no apps, no live tiles - and no apps means no business. but Microsoft wants that we pay for it to develop no matter how much we are doing for the community.
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Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
mcosmin222 said:
Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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as i know wp8 will have native code execute, what about wp7.8?
mcosmin222 said:
Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)
Dinchy87 said:
yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)
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Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.
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officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version
mo3ulla said:
officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version
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then Wp7.8 will lose opportunity for Cross platform game engines like Unity3D because they are going to support only Wp8.
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Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.
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I'm speaking of development for 7.8 Europe and eat Europe, Asia markets will be very good for wp7.8 development. and 7.8 will be tied to the WP8 SDK. and i have already 7.8 and i dont want to develop for wp8 for now. the problem is not in windows 8, the problem is when they told us about the specifications. i already had x86 as they said that. and i dont have 4GB RAM and no CPU with SLAT support. this will be in east Europe about 200-250$ investment! for what? for microsoft that they can live with WP8 and with our apps? They live of our apps they should give us what we need to develop, 7.1 sdk run very well on my pc and i have no problems, and if 7.8 is stil a 7 then why new resource needs and specifications? I think their lazy to make an custom sdk for 7.8 and will just reflection some stuff from wp8. and an reflection uses the wp8 SDK and of course windows 8 and 4gb ram an an CPU with SLAT. so 50% of the worldwide developers must upgrade... half of my friends must upgrade to develop further for Windows Phone 7.8 and that is bull****.
So, I often read articles that "predict" OS market share changes in mobile and I always follow the source links as far back as I possibly can and I NEVER find data or methodology and I'm always curious how in the world they get these numbers. Today I thought it would be interesting to pull up some 2010 data and IDC suggested that by 2014 Android would have 24.6% market share (link at the bottom). Which I found hilarious. So I thought that I'd try to regress an equation using their variables and change the weights on their variables to more accurately depict the market today then run that regression to predict 2015's market shares. But as previously stated, I can't seem to find any of IDC's data or their methodology so I want to do something a little different. I want you guys to tell me one unique aspect (something not previously stated in another post on this thread), that you think would cause change (positive or negative) in a mobile operating system's market share.
I'll start by saying that I think that one variable would be open-source in nature, and that this particular variable would have a positive impact on market share.
http://www.enggjournals.com/ijcse/doc/003-IJCSESP24.pdf
Its from 2010, they were still predicting Android to gain quite a bit of market share by 2014, its just that in reality it happened a lot quicker than they thought. In the fast paced mobile market these things are hard to predict.
From a neutral point of view here is what I see happening over the next few years. Android will continue to rise but will eventually start leveling out as the market becomes saturated. The iPhone is already leveling out and will may see a reduction in percentage of the market share. There was recently a report that Apple has slashed orders for iPhone parts possibly meaning demand is not rising like it once was. See: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...-drop-lingers-following-iphone-parts-reports/ Windows Phone will gain market share as it uses the popularity of the desktop Windows 8 to lure users into the Microsoft ecosystem.
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Its from 2010, they were still predicting Android to gain quite a bit of market share by 2014, its just that in reality it happened a lot quicker than they thought. In the fast paced mobile market these things are hard to predict.
From a neutral point of view here is what I see happening over the next few years. Android will continue to rise but will eventually start leveling out as the market becomes saturated. The iPhone is already leveling out and will may see a reduction in percentage of the market share. There was recently a report that Apple has slashed orders for iPhone parts possibly meaning demand is not rising like it once was. See: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...-drop-lingers-following-iphone-parts-reports/ Windows Phone will gain market share as it uses the popularity of the desktop Windows 8 to lure users into the Microsoft ecosystem.
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I think everyone agrees that Android has to lose market share and Apple has to, at the very least, stop growing (if not lose market share) if any other competitors are to enter/grow within the space. I agree with all of your points completely. My aim is to try to build an equation that can quantify these market changes.
"... uses the popularity of the desktop Windows 8 to lure user into the Microsoft operating system." That made me smile =]
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"... uses the popularity of the desktop Windows 8 to lure user into the Microsoft operating system." That made me smile =]
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Windows 8 may not be very popular right now, but Microsoft has around 80-90% of the desktop/laptop market IIRC with most of the users on Windows 7 and XP for now. If Microsoft can use its desktop market share to get people familiar with the new Windows ecosystem they have a chance at making Windows Phone more popular. Its a pretty large gamble though because they have changed quite a bit with Windows 8 and we'll have to see how the market responds.
Personally I'd love to see Microsoft make a Intel Atom SoC phone that runs Windows Phone 8 but docks into a full x86 Windows 8 system running entirely off the phone hardware giving users the ability to not only run Windows Phone apps, but also run all of the x86 Windows programs. Now that Microsoft has moved WP8 over to the NT kernel this may be more of a realistic possibility.
Granted current Atom SoCs aren't that powerful, but Intel just announced the quad core Atom codename Bay Trail SoC. Imagine a future where companies give give their employees a Windows Phone instead of a laptop and they use a phone dock to turn the phone into a full desktop that can run all of their proprietary Windows programs.
Let's be realistic. It's almost impossible for anyone to predict what is going to happen in the mobile market.
Hello guys, it’s me again. Yesterday I introduced the ‘Easy Talk’ function of EMUI, do you like it? Today, I’m gonna talk about ‘Accelerated Translator’ function which is supported by AI technology and is applied in EMUI. Although translating function is commonly provided by most of the hand phones sold in the market, the Accelerated Translator does has its unique characteristic to be outstanding. Actually, the Accelerated Translator is a result of the cooperation between EMUI and Microsoft in which Microsoft launched a customised version of the Microsoft Translator app for EMUI. More specifically, Microsoft customised its AI technology for the Kirin Neural Processing Unit (the support if AI technology), resulting in better and faster online translations for users of those phones while the offline translation pack are also 50 percent smaller than the current translation pack. This will inevitably enhance the user experience in the situation like travelling in a country with foreign language. But from my perspective, this cooperation between Microsoft and EMUI means far more than the ‘Accelerated Translator’, instead, it means that EMUI is dedicate to develop an AI ecosystem which will allow an increasing number of software to be powered with AI. This also explains why I don’t like those chip benchmark software and website, that is, the value of NPU is hugely underestimated in those tests. Tomorrow I will introduce a EMUI function that is really useful for those who are fond of photography.