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SYNET7LP 7" 16:9 800x480, 1GHz, 256 RAM, 2GB IS / 32GB ES, 1920x1080p HDMI, 802.11b,g, 2x USB, Android OS 2.1
Full on going review.. (note I just got this late last night)

Sears/K-Mart Lowered Price .... Veterans Day Special?
Just picked this up in-store for $149.95 plus tax. So far it has booted extremely fast. Trying to confirm the Android OS version. Website says 512MB of memory (which I took as ram) but the box says 256MB. Was told by telephone support that it had a camera but that is not the case (picture on some sites looks like it has a camera but this model my local Sears had does not have a camera).
Too bad about the camera. It may be going back although I like the HDMI output....
No G-sensor! (at least on mine). Have to pick the orientation by upper menu selection (although had to change the setting from automatic to reveal that feature).

Battery life??? Seriously?
I picked up one of these yesterday and was very impressed at first...
As soon as I remove it from the charger (fully charged) the battery drops to 85%. At first I gave it the benefit of the doubt and chalked it up to a bug...
After less than two hours of heavy web browsing and full screen brightness the battery was dead... I chalked it up to my usage, plugged it into the charger and went to bed.
This morning at work I turned it on and set up my email. I turned the screen brightness down to low, the display time out to a minute, and disabled wifi. I let the screen time out to, what I assumed, was standby mode and went about my work. I came back a hour and a half later and the battery was at 14%!! I clicked on battery usage and something called 'Cell Standby' was taking up 80%... Now its dead with no way to charge it until I get home (won't charge from usb).
I'll search for a why to possibly disable whatever 'Cell Standby' is but this thing is probably going back to sears TONIGHT!

i was thinking of grabbing one of these, so i emailed them and asked if 2.2 was ever gonna be on option for these tablets. Got this response:
Sylvania said:
Hello my name is Josh, and I work for Digital Gadgets Customer Service.
I received your email about the Sylvania 7-inch tablet.
From what I understand you want to know when will the 2.2 update will be available.
At the moment I do not have an ETA on it, but there be a software update for 2.2 sometime this month.
You should received an email letting you know when it is available.
If you have any further questions please email me at [email protected].
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Mine is sitting waiting for UPS to pick it up. with the possibility of 2.2 that gets me hoping more that this one pans out and isn't a defective POS like the Maylong.

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Not too much happening on the Sylvania thread. I got mine today. I will be returning it since I ordered an Archos 70 today, but I will play with it for a few days anyway and comment on my experiences with it here.

FredOak3 said:
Mine is sitting waiting for UPS to pick it up. with the possibility of 2.2 that gets me hoping more that this one pans out and isn't a defective POS like the Maylong.
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EDIT: Oh I see you where you got that from. That is good news.
Fred, did you hear that they may upgrade it to 2.2?

Sylvania
First impressions are that the menu button on the back sucks. There should be one on the front of the device. I did install the Aldiko app the market place without any problem. I just find it annoying that to pull up a table of contents I have to push this small button on the back of the device instead of one on the front.

Should be delivered by the time I get home today.
Yea, I saw that they plan on doing 2.2 (probably get it before I get the official one for my Captivate).
I saw the video about potential upgrade issues. So I' figure I'll load everything up before I do the upgrade.
That Archos 70 looks decent, have to let us know how that one is too.
If I take the Sylvania back I still have a couple under $200 units I might try, If not I guess I move up into the near $300 range.

Sylvania
I spent a few more hours with this thing today. There does seem to be a battery issue with the device. I charged it up for 8 hours last night and within 5 minutes of turning it on I had downloaded the battery booster app, checked the status of the battery, and it showed a remaining charge of 75%. I would say from that point on I got around 2.5 hours of use browsing the internet, reading, and downloading a couple other apps. The lack of a g-sensor/accelerometer was not a big deal for me since I could change the screen orientation using the button provided. Maybe this is more of an issue with some games--I don't know.
Otherwise, I like the weight and balance of the tablet. The screen size is ideal for me to read on and I hold it fairly easily with one hand. The resistive screen works fine with a stylus or a fingernail. It does not work well with the ball of the fingertip, however.
I don't think there is a significant overheating issue. It does get obviously warmer during charging but I am usually holding the edges of the device so it wasn't a big deal.
Assuming an upgrade is forthcoming to 2.2, and assuming it improves the battery life closer to 4 hours, I would say this is a decent tablet. However, assuming the Coby Kyros comes available soon for about the same price, I would check it out first since it has a menu button on the front and because an accelerometer is included.
P.S.
I have stayed away from doing any software updates that may exist to this point. It sounds like they may cause more problems than they resolve.

Got mine last night, yea I have the weird battery meter issue too.
Loaded up a ton of stuff that I had on my Captivate, so far so good.
Did the upgrade and didn't have any issues, was still able to install apps unlike that video that is out indicated.
Also got it rooted with no problem using Z4Root, rooted in about 2 minutes, so I got Titanium Backup on it and CPU Tuner going on it.
So far I'm really liking this and if they keep their promise with the fixes and upgrade this is a sweet little device.

Between rooting it and doing the upgrade the battery issue seems to have resolved itself.
The only thing I have found is certain apps will change the screen orientation for a reason not related to the app and I get the force close warning now and then, but if I click WAIT instead it comes right back.
Funny the only web site that I seem to have a problem loading is XDA, and the XDA app seems to crash every time after I log in.
Other than that, I'm satisfied with this for what I wanted it to be. But I can see myself getting a decent tablet to replace my one netbook once it is out with gingerbread or honeycomb.

Battery
I had charged it 8 hours and it wouldn't turn on. I plugged it in the charger and it wouldn't boot up past the Sylvania logo. I performed a reset and was able to boot-up. I then immediately performed the update mentioned in the Sylvania booklet. It is now charging.
I am beginning to to think that the battery booster app that I downloaded doesn't work properly with this device since the readings are always seem dubious. Anyone have a battery app that they think works for their Sylvania?
P.S.
The booklet specifically says to take out the SD card when doing the update or they will be deleted.

Installing apps
After completing the update, everything seemed to be working fine but I just tried to download and install a new app and I am receiving the error message that the SD card can't be found. I have removed and reinserted the SD card a couple of times to verify it is seated properly and the OS is recognizing it since I can use file manager to explore the contents on the card.
At this point it doesn't really matter since I am planning to take it back anyway, but it does seem that the update causes problems.

I got that error immediately after the update, took the SD card out put it back in and it's been fine.
I'm using a 8Gig Kingston card, wonder if the card has anything to do with it?

There are2 usb ports the one is host only.
The other one is non-functioning until they release the net firmware update which they told me is in beta and should be out shorly.

How to reset?
Elmonica - or anyone else who has performed the reset -
How is this done? I see the reset button on the back, but if I press it while the unit is on, the screen goes blank (looks like powering off) and nothing happens.
The documentation online stinks and the manual leaves a lot to be desired. Any feedback is appreciated!

I also stood in line at Toys R Us and picked one of these up for $139.
And I also noticed the battery being chewed up very quickly on what seems like a full charge. For example, used it for 2 hours yesterday and set it down with 61% battery remaining, after about 6 hours of stand by - dead.
Looking at the running processes it appears the dev's didn't disable the cell phone portion of the OS.
aLogCat also reporting loads of fails on the radio buffer:
E/RIL (1957): opening data channel device - /dev/ttyUSB0. retrying...
Also, if you check your running processes and battery usage statistics you'll see the "Dialer" and "Cell" processes running. Not sure why.
I've tried killing these via term but they start back up again.
Maybe killing the WiFi before I set it down will save some juice.

After rooting it I got some battery improvement. But certain apps still time out on occasion and I'll get a run away key stroke while typing that is really annoying.

FredOak3 said:
After rooting it I got some battery improvement. But certain apps still time out on occasion and I'll get a run away key stroke while typing that is really annoying.
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Have you had a chance to load a different launcher? I loaded ADW and got away from that goofy launcher. One press of the home screen gets you all the apps you have installed and press it again for a screen with widgets. Whats the point of having widgets if they are not on the screen full time?
Now I have to figure out how to disable the cell/radio process for good and also kill that silly yahoo api weather widget.
Next step is to solve how get adb working....

Very disappointed, MANY problems with Sensation!!!!

I have just upgraded from an unbranded Desire I used on Voda UK to a Voda UK Sensation and I am very disappointed.
The Sensation has the potential to be a fantastic phone, but for a few really annoying faults.
1) The Phone network reception is terrible. In my house I have a very good 2g Voda reception and quite good 3g reception (One of the reasons I went with Voda years ago) I have NEVER had a problem with any other phone on Voda in my house before until now. The sensation will one minute show 3-4 bars of 2g signal, if I then pick it up and start using it, browsing the web etc, the phone will often go to no service. When I am talking on the phone in my house the person at the other end constantly complains that I am cutting out.
I have read about the alleged “grip of death” problems the sensation has if you hold the phone at the top with the Wi-Fi signal dropping and mine does that as well. I think the GSM/3G aerial is at the bottom of the case which is exactly where most people hold their phone normally and holding it defiantly affects the mobile signal as well as Wi-Fi a LOT more then I have experienced with any other phone to the point of it losing the signal in a strong area.
I am getting a replacement from Voda next week as I am still within the 7 days. I really hope this one is better with regard to GSM/3G signal.
2) I am getting the well documented problem with the Widgets (even the HTC power widget) intermittently getting coloured lines through it. It may be fine for a day then one starts and then they all start ending up in the widgets becoming unread able. To clear the problem you either have to remove the widget and then re place it on the home screen or change the scene and then back again or reboot the phone (rebooting does not always work, seems to be pot luck). I have read that HTC say that this is to do with 3rd party software not being written for QHD resolution!! Well HTC as the Sensation is, as far as I am aware, the first phone to have a QHD screen, how many f**king apps do they think will be written for QHD screens?? This is not the case anyway as sometimes they display fine for a day or so and sometimes their own power widget suffers!! Come on HTC, it is your responsibility to make sure at least 3rd party software written for earlier resolutions display without corruption, I can understand when apps display small and don’t take up the whole screen but this is a BUG.
3) I am also getting another commonly reported problem. Sense almost always reboots after installing/removing/moving an app and sometimes after exiting an app. I have read that people have put this down to the new sense being quite memory hungry and the device can shut Sense down sometimes if memory runs low??? WHAT ??? This version of sense was written by HTC for THIS PHONE!!! How can this phone not have enough RAM memory to deal with it??? I experimented with custom ported versions of this sense on my rooted Desire and sense would very, very rarely reboot, but I accepted those very few occasional sense reboots as they were custom roms with ported software not designed for that phone also modified to use the SD card for internal storage to overcome the Desires lack of internal storage. Again this is a BUG, possibly a memory leak somewhere?
I really do not expect these sort of serious, normal use affecting BUGS on a stock rom from HTC.
I have received the OTA update 1.35.161.2 but note that it isn’t quite the latest version released by HTC but I suppose it’s the Voda version, but this hasnt solved these problems.
I really hope HTC sort the software problems out ASAP, as there really is a lot to like about the Sensation, the screen looks fantastic with text/pictures and videos and the speed of the phone is very impressive and the new sense is very good software if these bugs are sorted.
But if my replacement Sensation has the same signal performance as this one, I am afraid it will be back to the slow, small screened desire for me as at least I can use it properly and generally reliably as a phone!!!!
Rant over!!!

wrong forum.

Very disappointed, MANY unrelated and useless threads!!!!

Mods : Delete this
Awww, your rant is gonna get deleted.
Too bad.
Next time you should put this in the right section.

How is this development?!?

mikeDCMDVA said:
Very disappointed, MANY unrelated and useless threads!!!!
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<----thoroughly amused.

jab1972 said:
I have just upgraded from an unbranded Desire I used on Voda UK to a Voda UK Sensation and I am very disappointed.
The Sensation has the potential to be a fantastic phone, but for a few really annoying faults.
1) The Phone network reception is terrible. In my house I have a very good 2g Voda reception and quite good 3g reception (One of the reasons I went with Voda years ago) I have NEVER had a problem with any other phone on Voda in my house before until now. The sensation will one minute show 3-4 bars of 2g signal, if I then pick it up and start using it, browsing the web etc, the phone will often go to no service. When I am talking on the phone in my house the person at the other end constantly complains that I am cutting out.
I have read about the alleged “grip of death” problems the sensation has if you hold the phone at the top with the Wi-Fi signal dropping and mine does that as well. I think the GSM/3G aerial is at the bottom of the case which is exactly where most people hold their phone normally and holding it defiantly affects the mobile signal as well as Wi-Fi a LOT more then I have experienced with any other phone to the point of it losing the signal in a strong area.
I am getting a replacement from Voda next week as I am still within the 7 days. I really hope this one is better with regard to GSM/3G signal.
2) I am getting the well documented problem with the Widgets (even the HTC power widget) intermittently getting coloured lines through it. It may be fine for a day then one starts and then they all start ending up in the widgets becoming unread able. To clear the problem you either have to remove the widget and then re place it on the home screen or change the scene and then back again or reboot the phone (rebooting does not always work, seems to be pot luck). I have read that HTC say that this is to do with 3rd party software not being written for QHD resolution!! Well HTC as the Sensation is, as far as I am aware, the first phone to have a QHD screen, how many f**king apps do they think will be written for QHD screens?? This is not the case anyway as sometimes they display fine for a day or so and sometimes their own power widget suffers!! Come on HTC, it is your responsibility to make sure at least 3rd party software written for earlier resolutions display without corruption, I can understand when apps display small and don’t take up the whole screen but this is a BUG.
3) I am also getting another commonly reported problem. Sense almost always reboots after installing/removing/moving an app and sometimes after exiting an app. I have read that people have put this down to the new sense being quite memory hungry and the device can shut Sense down sometimes if memory runs low??? WHAT ??? This version of sense was written by HTC for THIS PHONE!!! How can this phone not have enough RAM memory to deal with it??? I experimented with custom ported versions of this sense on my rooted Desire and sense would very, very rarely reboot, but I accepted those very few occasional sense reboots as they were custom roms with ported software not designed for that phone also modified to use the SD card for internal storage to overcome the Desires lack of internal storage. Again this is a BUG, possibly a memory leak somewhere?
I really do not expect these sort of serious, normal use affecting BUGS on a stock rom from HTC.
I have received the OTA update 1.35.161.2 but note that it isn’t quite the latest version released by HTC but I suppose it’s the Voda version, but this hasnt solved these problems.
I really hope HTC sort the software problems out ASAP, as there really is a lot to like about the Sensation, the screen looks fantastic with text/pictures and videos and the speed of the phone is very impressive and the new sense is very good software if these bugs are sorted.
But if my replacement Sensation has the same signal performance as this one, I am afraid it will be back to the slow, small screened desire for me as at least I can use it properly and generally reliably as a phone!!!!
Rant over!!!
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factory reset will fix the green lines problem. I've never had it.
The cell signal strength issue is a big issue for me as well (and many others.)
Are you using a cheap TPU case? stop. it has caused problems for me and others.

I don't understand... What did you develop?
You suck as much as your phone.

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Very, Very, sorry, posted on wrong forum, had too many browser sessions open.
PLEASE DELETE and I will post it in the correct forum.
I take it that everybody who felt the immediate need to post just to point out that I posted in the wrong forum are lucky enough to be S-OFF and running custom ROMS/Lastest Radio versions that solve these problems)
I just love how many of these “helpful” people there are that scour this forum and feel the need to immediately jump on and INSULT people who have obviously just made a mistake. Leave it to the mods who are there to just delete such mistakes as I have made.
Thanks chisleu for a constructive answer, no I am not using any case, I fear that unfortunalty I am not going to get an improvement with the replacement, oh well.
(PLEASE DELETE and I will repost)

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No need, the mods moved it, they should probably put it back so you can develop thicker skin and less butthurt.

Havent been facing any big problem for me.

Nitpicking the note 3 + USB 3.0 Vs. USB 2.0 + RL First Cycle Battery Usage Stats

Disclaimer: This thread is just meant to help note 3 future buyers. All things listed are just minor inconveniences. The note3 is the best electronic device I've ever used to date. I think it's the best phone to date. The below pertain to the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 model of the Note3; users of the Exynos model may have different results:
The good things about the phone are many. This part is not meant to list them, because you probably already know them.
Having said that, here are the things I've noticed so far (My phone is Qualcomm Snapdragon model with 32gb):
The phone gets somewhat warm at the back (above the samsung logo and below camera) during some usage. [Update: Temperature has been improved in my second day with the phone. It still gets a 5-7 degrees warmer while using the camera or intensive browsing, but nothing to worry about imo]
The home button is not firm in its place. It moves in its socket (much prone than it was on the note2)
The volume rocker on the left of the phone is placed higher than on the note2 (whether this is good or bad is up to you).
***UPDATE***
There is a noticeable and ugly pop sound followed by a static noise whenever the audio stops while using the AUX port in my car. When the audio starts again, the sound disappears completely. When audio stops or gets paused, it's fine for 3 seconds and then the pop sound hits again followed by the static noise. [I'll have to test this using another aux cable before confirming on this one though so don't quote me. The aux cable I'm using is one year old, $12 from radio shack]
There is an ever so slight gap between the frame and the glass on the top and bottom (the gap is a bit bigger at the bottom than on the top) which accumulates dust particles. The sides don't have any noticable gaps, at least in my phone. To be honest though, the issue is much less noticeable than it was on my note 2 (my note 2 had gaps on both sides as well as top and bottom), and you can't see it unless you deliberately look for it.
Charger is now much harder to both plug in and plug out of the phone (thanks riz157). This is actually an advantage for me since Note2's usb wire that came with the note2 would get detached very easily from the slightest of movement. However, one disadvantage of the new wire comes in the form that it is now more difficult to plug-in in the dark; the hole is a much tighter fit now.
The S-pen is not flush with the back cover like it was with the note2. It is now protruding by like 1millimeter. This is just a silly point, but I decided to throw it in. It is also somewhat harder to get out (thanks ipkryss for pointing this out), but it is easier to put back in (you can now put it back in in two different ways, as opposed to note2 which accepted only one way). The pen itself is thinner, looks more premium, and feels better in the hands than before.
***UPDATE***
Unfortunately, updating the Youtube app to the new version seems to break the functionality of the Scrapbooker feature that enables you to save Youtube videos in your Scrapbook.
You'll have to go to Youtube's application info and click "Uninstall updates" to revert back to the Youtube's old version if you want it to work.
It's one of the most interesting features for me when it comes to Scrapbook, so I hope they make it compatible with the new Youtube soon.
*** There seems to be a glitch where my phone would start only utilizing CPU1,CPU2 and CPU3&4 would remain "offline" no matter what you throw on the phone. This has happened a total of three times on my phone and was fixed with a simple reboot on all three occassions (Had the phone since 5 days now).
To put things into perspective, my Quadrant score on this phone is around ~22,000. When the glitch was triggered, Quadrant score was ~13,400 (which is still higher than the second highest score that belong to HTC One)
I can't replicate the issue because I haven't the faintest clue what triggers it. Not to alarm people, this might only exclusive to the ROM in my phone, as I haven't seen anyone else report it yet, and it seems to be a rare occurrence. If more users of the S800 model can chime in and track this on their phones (for a period of at least 2-3 days) I'd appreciate it. If it does turn out to be an issue with all S800 models and not just specific to my ROM, notifying Samsung should get it easily fixed with an update.
USB 3.0 Vs. USB 2.0:
Using a stopwatch, I set out to calculate the transfer duration of a 5.64GB from my PC to the internal memory of the phone:
First test: using USB 2.0 cable (Media device MTP connection), USB 2.0 port on my PC, File size 5.64GB.
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TRANSFER DURATION: 00:01:37 (97 seconds)
BATTERY STATS:
So I bought phone yesterday evening. Charged it overnight. It was 100% when I woke up at 6:25am to get ready for work.
Enabled data (3g HSPA though, not 4g). Data was enabled for the whole day. The phone was on wifi for only 5-10minutes in the morning--ignore the bar in the second screenshot which shows that WIFI was on for the whole time. That may be a software bug.
The brightness was on Auto and on the middle of the Automatic brightness adjustment bar for the whole duration.
Phone Usage Included:
Chatting on whatsapp
Using XDA forum app
Reading some tech news using Appy Geek app
Installing around 20 apps from the Google Play Store
Listening to music to and from work through AUX port in car
Fiddling around with the phone from time to time --testing Air command, browser .. stuff like that
By around 10pm, the battery was around 33%. I began running YouTube videos on HQ, with max volume, and on 3g for a total of around two hours.
Finally, the battery dropped down to 7%.
* Disclaimer: The usage did not include extremely battery-hungry tasks, such as playing games or running benchmarks. GPS and Bluetooth were off. Air gestures and such 'gimmicky' features were off, as I don't really use them. Note that your Note3 battery life might/will differ depending on usage and whether you're on WIFI or 4g.
*** Charging Speed (using AC adapter): Around 47 - 48% / hour. I plugged my phone when it was 5% at 12:36 am, by 1:36 am it was up to 53%. ***
And below are the results:
Verdict: the battery life is fantastic. Enough said. If my usage didn't include running Youtube videos, then the screen-on time would have probably been more than 7 hours. Note that this is on the first charge cycle of the battery. To make it short, it will easily last you a full day if you're a heavy user, and more than a day if you're a light user. Keep in mind that screenshots were taken when battery was 7%, so it still had some "juice" in it left
OFF-TOPIC: I know I said I wouldn't mention the good parts of the phone, but I have to say that the display on this phone is lovely and to me a worthy upgrade to the Note2's. The blacks are BLACK. So much so, that if you open a completely black screen on the phone, and go in a pitch dark room, the phone will be completely invisible because it blends perfectly with the dark. As a point of comparison, my Note2 looked greyesh in a completely dark room.
The whites are improved as well over the Note2, they now look more "milky" if that makes sense.

MohJee said:
Disclaimer: This thread is just meant to help note 3 future buyers. All things listed are just minor inconveniences. The note3 is the best electronic device I've ever used to date. I think it's the best phone to date.
The good things about the phone are many. This thread is not meant to list them, because you probably already know them.
Having said that, here are the things I've noticed so far (phone is qualcomm model with 32gb if anyone is interested btw):
- The phone gets somewhat warm at the back (above the samsung logo and below camera) during some usage.
- The home button is not firm in its place. It moves in its socket (much prone than it was on the note2)
- The volume rocker on the left of the phone is placed higher than on the note2 (whether this is good or bad is up to you).
Will update this thread if I find anything else. Doubt there will be many, if any ,more though. For anyone else who has the phone, feel free to contribute.
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No need to apologize for constructive criticism, the best way to learn about a device is to know what's not working well, everything else is just for comfort.
Please state your device number and system-on-chip on board.

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How is the audio jack signal?
Is it clean or do you hear a crackling or "noise" when you pause an audio track?
Also what headphones are using, what track, what type of recording, what volume level?
Are you using a headphone amp to power the headphones etc..

grifter9931 said:
How is the audio jack signal?
Is it clean or do you hear a crackling or "noise" when you pause an audio track?
Also what headphones are using, what track, what type of recording, what volume level?
Are you using a headphone amp to power the headphones etc..
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I've tried the ear phones that come with the device (which are improved from the ones that come with the note2 btw -- they have the noodle-like cable now) and to be honest I didn't hear any crackling sound or noise when playing or pausing the audio.

MohJee said:
I've tried the ear phones that come with the device (which are improved from the ones that come with the note2 btw -- they have the noodle-like cable now) and to be honest I didn't hear any crackling sound or noise when playing or pausing the audio.
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Can you turn the volume all they way up and hit pause, if you don't hear any "noise" then at least the headphone jack has a clean signal..
Thanks!!

grifter9931 said:
Can you turn the volume all they way up and hit pause, if you don't hear any "noise" then at least the headphone jack has a clean signal..
Thanks!!
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Ok.. I went into a completely silent area and turned volume to max with audio paused. There might be something there, but if there is then my ear is too weak to pick it up, because I can't decide if there is really some faint sound or my mind is imagining things.
To be verified by some other user... I might not be the best test subject when it comes to audio

MohJee said:
Ok.. I went into a completely silent area and turned volume to max with audio paused. There might be something there, but if there is then my ear is too weak to pick it up, because I can't decide if there is really some faint sound or my mind is imagining things.
To be verified by some other user... I might not be the best test subject when it comes to audio
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It's all good man, thank you for testing it out. I have pretty good monitors and I will test them as well. But if you didn't hear something noticeable chances are its there is none..

Please mention your phone processor type (Snapdragon or Exynos) when you share your critics about this phone.
Perhaps some problems are exclusives on a spesific type

azhurvadal said:
Please mention your phone processor type (Snapdragon or Exynos) when you share your critics about this phone.
Perhaps some problems are exclusives on a spesific type
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I already mentioned that I'm using qualcomm 32gb model (qualcomm snapdragon N9005)

MohJee said:
I already mentioned that I'm using qualcomm 32gb model (qualcomm snapdragon N9005)
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I know you did.
I meant it for other note 3 owners who will share their critics in this thread

MohJee said:
Disclaimer: This thread is just meant to help note 3 future buyers. All things listed are just minor inconveniences. The note3 is the best electronic device I've ever used to date. I think it's the best phone to date.
The good things about the phone are many. This thread is not meant to list them, because you probably already know them.
Having said that, here are the things I've noticed so far (phone is qualcomm model with 32gb if anyone is interested btw):
- The phone gets somewhat warm at the back (above the samsung logo and below camera) during some usage [this could very well be the result of the constant updating in the background since it's still a new phone]
- The home button is not firm in its place. It moves in its socket (much prone than it was on the note2)
- The volume rocker on the left of the phone is placed higher than on the note2 (whether this is good or bad is up to you).
Will update this thread if I find anything else. Doubt there will be many, if any ,more though. For anyone else who has the phone, feel free to contribute.
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The home button on my is fine but the s4 I had used to have with a wobbly home button so suspect it's a generic issue with build quality.
Audio is massively better than the s4 in terms of volume and quality

you have to use quite bit force to disconnect charger and headphone, anyone else noticed that?

riz157 said:
you have to use quite bit force to disconnect charger and headphone, anyone else noticed that?
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Both should loosen up with use.

@rbiter said:
Both should loosen up with use.
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*giggidy*

What about bluetooth connectivity? Any WiFi interference issues? I've seen reports of the Note II suffering from this with certain headsets.

With my nail-bitten fingers its impossible for me to get my pen out! i need to use my teeth or ask somebody else.. damn. I hope it'll loosen up a little bit, or this might be a great opportunity to stop biting my nails!
Anyone else have this issue?

MohJee said:
- The phone gets somewhat warm at the back (above the samsung logo and below camera) during some usage [this could very well be the result of the constant updating in the background since it's still a new phone]
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I'm accustomed to this, as my Epic 4G Touch accumulates heat in the same area It's likely where the processor is located.
I'll add what I can next week when mine arrives... hopefully I won't have much to add

I went to a store here in Sweden to try one. Sweden's getting the S800 variant. I got to use the first note 3 they had in stock, before it was even tethered to the bench with the rest of the phones. Booted it, skipped all the setup screens etc. Just messed around with features for 10 minutes.
I was looking for "lag" or stuttering in the the UI as the S4 has. It was rare, but it happened when scrolling the widget filled homescreen once or twice (out of 20-30 times). Didn't slow down the animation, the animation just seemed to drop a couple frames.
Still want it though, unless a deal breaker shows up in this thread.
Just bloody expensive in Sweden. Unlocked and off contract is 1000-1100 dollars depending on the store.

What is the call quality like? Also what is reception like? This will be my home and personal phone so I need that part of it to work well.

General smoothness / speed?

I moved from the Z3 running concept rom to the XZ. I noticed that everything feels jittery, and I have quite a lot of lagging and hanging, especially when updating / installing apps (I get that it should show down a bit, but this phone lags like a b**). Also whenever the temperature goes over 38, everything becomes laggy (it goes over 38 in normal use).
Nothing particularly heavy running in the background, I don't play a lot of games and streaming is usually by WiFi. Anybody notice that this is not the best phone in terms of performance? My Z3 runs faster, smoother and cooler than this ever did.

Could you have bought an S7 mounted inside an XZ chassis??? Just kiddin buddy...
Havent noticed anything you described, maybe you have to contact whoever cheated you with that phone.
BTW in my opinion my XZ is the best phone in the world no matter what evryone say....
PS try to perform a factory reset or a software repair through xperia companion, them could fix this mysterious behaviour....

omarfarrah said:
I moved from the Z3 running concept rom to the XZ. I noticed that everything feels jittery, and I have quite a lot of lagging and hanging, especially when updating / installing apps (I get that it should show down a bit, but this phone lags like a b**). Also whenever the temperature goes over 38, everything becomes laggy (it goes over 38 in normal use).
Nothing particularly heavy running in the background, I don't play a lot of games and streaming is usually by WiFi. Anybody notice that this is not the best phone in terms of performance? My Z3 runs faster, smoother and cooler than this ever did.
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I have this exact same behaviour! So frustrating
Do you by any chance also have the dual sim model??

I've not encountered this issue, always been snappy and smooth either on stock build and XplayZtation ROM

hm5 said:
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I have this exact same behaviour! So frustrating
Do you by any chance also have the dual sim model??
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Yes it's the dual sim model, bought it from the official dealer in the UAE. So far it hasn't been a good experience... If my Z3 hardware held up a bit more till next year I wouldn't have changed..

drubio said:
Could you have bought an S7 mounted inside an XZ chassis??? Just kiddin buddy...
Havent noticed anything you described, maybe you have to contact whoever cheated you with that phone.
BTW in my opinion my XZ is the best phone in the world no matter what evryone say....
PS try to perform a factory reset or a software repair through xperia companion, them could fix this mysterious behavior....
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Actually when I updated to Nougat I did it by software repair. Interestingly I had the same issues on MM.

I had an idea from some articles I read that the HTC 10 uses slower storage than other flagships as well as Apple apparently using slower storage for the lower capacity versions vs. the higher ones. So I did the test and compared the results to this article by GSM arena (see attached image)
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Now I don't know much about this technical matter but i can say one thing; I was very surprised to find out that my phone the F8332 is worse than the of the ones compared in the article, maybe comparable to the HTC 10.
Would anyone be interested in comparing the F8332 model with the F8331, can anyone here run the test and confirm if theres a difference, because as far as I can tell, the phone performs terribly and I'm thinking of taking it back. Also my father has the same phone, it also lags and stutters. It would be nice to get a confirmation if its indeed a storage issue or just a software optimization issue.

Just if its going to make you feel better, there you got my f8331 results in the same bench, stock 7.0.
I also have to say, i usually don't give a s*** regarding bench results, some smartphones with lower results perform better on daily duties than benchchamps.
I have to say im happy with my xz as another one could be with his sh1tphone 7 or his firesumg note 7. Just a matter of likes. If you live benchmarking yourself with the rest youre going to be far from happiness

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Just if its going to make you feel better, there you got my f8331 results in the same bench, stock 7.0.
I also have to say, i usually don't give a s*** regarding bench results, some smartphones with lower results perform better on daily duties than benchchamps.
I have to say im happy with my xz as another one could be with his sh1tphone 7 or his firesumg note 7. Just a matter of likes. If you live benchmarking yourself with the rest youre going to be far from happiness
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I generally never do or trust benchmarks, just wanted to see the results, so based on this I guess it's a software issue?

The XZ uses eMMC memory so what do you expect? Of course the read/write benchmarks are going to be shocking.

I think is a matter of time this relatively new device settle and grow (with the help of the amazing developers we have here, of course). Maybe after that time we'll can see XZ performing at its max. One thing is for sure, im not with that crazy stream we live that everybody wants to have the best piece of tech during a few months, after that, buy another one an so.... And for what? To play candycrush with ps4 quality and sniff people lifes on facebook.

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I think is a matter of time this relatively new device settle and grow (with the help of the amazing developers we have here, of course). Maybe after that time we'll can see XZ performing at its max. One thing is for sure, im not with that crazy stream we live that everybody wants to have the best piece of tech during a few months, after that, buy another one an so.... And for what? To play candycrush with ps4 quality and sniff people lifes on facebook.
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I agree, but I also think it's inexcusable for Sony to release a worse performer than their own 2 yr old device. I don't need the best of everything, but within reason... I don't think that having random freezes and laggy software on a brand new and recently reformatted device, while my older one performs flawlessly is ok. What do you think?

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The XZ uses eMMC memory so what do you expect? Of course the read/write benchmarks are going to be shocking.
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Saying "shocking" is exaggerated, UFS is better in every aspect except power consumption, but eMMC still does much better than what the average smartphone task demands, doing the ***** because of higher numbers on androbench is the same thing as wanting more pixels on display, or more cores, just because everyone else follows that trend.

The XZ still outperforms most of 2016's phones on both Antutu and Geekbench's computing, if you all really care about numbers so much.
Here, high numbers, happy now?

Venom71 said:
Saying "shocking" is exaggerated, UFS is better in every aspect except power consumption, but eMMC still does much better than what the average smartphone task demands, doing the ***** because of higher numbers on androbench is the same thing as wanting more pixels on display, or more cores, just because everyone else follows that trend.
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Go to settings, Storage & Memory, Advanced, Storage, Internal Storage and then wait to see how long it takes for that list to populate. Years. I love my XZ and for my needs it's mainly fine but eMMC/3GB of RAM and plastic casing is lame on a late 2016 flagship no matter what anyone says.

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The XZ still outperforms most of 2016's phones on both Antutu and Geekbench's computing, if you all really care about numbers so much.
Here, high numbers, happy now?
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No I don't think you read what I said, I don't care about benchmarks at all, my point was using them as a reference because the phone is laggy and just not performing wellvin day to day use.

omarfarrah said:
No I don't think you read what I said, I don't care about benchmarks at all, my point was using them as a reference because the phone is laggy and just not performing wellvin day to day use.
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Never had a single lag on mine, yours is either a defect unit or a fake, if it still lags after a factory reset then theres no other explanation.

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Go to settings, Storage & Memory, Advanced, Storage, Internal Storage and then wait to see how long it takes for that list to populate. Years. I love my XZ and for my needs it's mainly fine but eMMC/3GB of RAM and plastic casing is lame on a late 2016 flagship no matter what anyone says.
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That's true, but I still couldn't find any other phone to satisfy me more than this one, so there's no actual loss for me.

Venom71 said:
Never had a single lag on mine, yours is either a defect unit or a fake, if it still lags after a factory reset then theres no other explanation.
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Well I very highly doubt it's a fake, so I guess it might be a faulty unit or just the fact that the dual sim version software isn't optimized as the normal one. But I do know one thing, it lags a lot, hangs on certain apps and is just not smooth as it should be, even after several factory resets.

omarfarrah said:
I moved from the Z3 running concept rom to the XZ. I noticed that everything feels jittery, and I have quite a lot of lagging and hanging, especially when updating / installing apps (I get that it should show down a bit, but this phone lags like a b**). Also whenever the temperature goes over 38, everything becomes laggy (it goes over 38 in normal use).
Nothing particularly heavy running in the background, I don't play a lot of games and streaming is usually by WiFi. Anybody notice that this is not the best phone in terms of performance? My Z3 runs faster, smoother and cooler than this ever did.
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It's thermal throttle. I've gone through 3 XZ's. One had serious heating issues, the second had some deadpixel, the current one has also some thermal issues but not as bad as the first.
For example, on the first unit doing benchmarks on antutu (i'm just gonna mention this one for now) always starting from idle temperatures, i would get sometimes around 140.000, 120.000, 135.000 and on one occasion 96.000. On the second unit always above 140.000 no matter what. Best i've achieved was 144.4457 (thumbs up) and it could film 4K for 30 minutes without shutting down due to heat.
On the actual unit, i have lag, faster battery drain, higher temperatures and abnormal temperature rise , mixed antutu scores from 123.000-140.000 (most of the time 135-136) and 4k video maximum of 15 minutes...
And yes, i've done software repairs, fresh install, reboot on safemode, tried on/off smart cleaner and battery care...
From my experience with these units, the XZ is a superb device (if everything is working as it should), a normal device that doesn't separate the sheep from the goats (if you have problems that affect performance) and a real headache if you have serious overheating problems (or others).
FYI, iv'e got the F8331.

Share your uptime records!

How stable is your Moto X Pure Edition? What's the greatest length of time that you've kept your device going without restarting or running the battery to shutdown?
Share your best records and the story behind them!
I just reached mine last night (see attached picture). That equals out to just over 35 days. The reason for the eventual reboot was because I triggered some kind of weird glitch that made everything on the screen go all washed-out. No matter what I did, nothing short of rebooting the device would make it go away, so I had to give up my streak.

This would be a good thread. Mine usually runs fine till 6-7 days then I could notice stuttering or frame drops which gets solved with a reboot.

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I basically never reboot my moto, timer resets only when my battery reaches 0% which is rare ocasion.

iks8 said:
I basically never reboot my moto, timer resets only when my battery reaches 0% which is rare ocasion.
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You definitely rarely reboot.
I have never tried to see how long I could let it go. I reboot once a week just to avoid issues.

Any other records? Why do people reboot their MXPE?
It looks like that 75 day figure is the record so far.
aybarrap1 said:
You definitely rarely reboot.
I have never tried to see how long I could let it go. I reboot once a week just to avoid issues.
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Interesting. What kind of issues do you try to avoid? I'd also be curious to know the main reasons why people reboot. Whether it's the screen glitch, a catastrophic software malfunction, the installation of an Xposed Framework module, or even just because the battery ran down, I would love to hear what "broke" your records as well.

I reboot as many apps get buggy the longer they are up.

Bill720 said:
It looks like that 75 day figure is the record so far.
Interesting. What kind of issues do you try to avoid? I'd also be curious to know the main reasons why people reboot. Whether it's the screen glitch, a catastrophic software malfunction, the installation of an Xposed Framework module, or even just because the battery ran down, I would love to hear what "broke" your records as well.
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I'm just trying to avoid issues in general. I've been doing this from before my Pure days. I've had a few instances of problems with network connectivity after 3 to 5 days off usage on this device with the only way to fix it is by rebooting. This just reinforced my weekly habit.

I hope that the uptime improves for you
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I'm just trying to avoid issues in general. I've been doing this from before my Pure days. I've had a few instances of problems with network connectivity after 3 to 5 days off usage on this device with the only way to fix it is by rebooting. This just reinforced my weekly habit.
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I used to have to reboot rather frequently with the Galaxy Note 2 as well. For some reason, the auto-rotation system would completely stop working within 2-4 days of having used the dialer app. It was weird because, when this happened, the tilt sensor would behave weirdly in applications that made use of it and auto-rotation would only work in the dialer (and a couple of other apps). Even stranger was the fact that it would magically start working again as soon as "auto brightness" was enabled (but fail as soon as this feature was turned back off). It was a known issue with that particular rom, but went on to ultimately never be solved. If it wasn't for that one pesky problem, I could've probably hit a month (or more) of uptime on that phone too.
At any rate, I hope you get the network connectivity issue resolved. You might've seen the long thread on the issue that I posted a few months back, and I never did get to the bottom of it. Hard reset was the only cure. Thankfully, the bug hasn't come back, even though my setup is pretty much the same as it was before.

Endurance record!
Hit another high score! Only reason I shut it down was to replace the battery. Works out to a little more than 50 days.
People have been really *****y about the delayed software release, but I'm glad that they took their time and allowed us to not only achieve this kind of stability, but also multi-window and night mode. The Moto X Pure Edition truly is the ideal smartphone. :good:

Bill720 said:
How stable is your Moto X Pure Edition? What's the greatest length of time that you've kept your device going without restarting or running the battery to shutdown?
Share your best records and the story behind them!
I just reached mine last night (see attached picture). That equals out to just over 35 days. The reason for the eventual reboot was because I triggered some kind of weird glitch that made everything on the screen go all washed-out. No matter what I did, nothing short of rebooting the device would make it go away, so I had to give up my streak.
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My X Pure has that same weird visual glitch every once and a while also. Not sure what it is.

parker.stephens said:
My X Pure has that same weird visual glitch every once and a while also. Not sure what it is.
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This is common bug, my moto x style also has it from time to time

Unusual, but sometimes repeatable
parker.stephens said:
My X Pure has that same weird visual glitch every once and a while also. Not sure what it is.
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iks8 said:
This is common bug, my moto x style also has it from time to time
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Yeah, it's definitely difficult to pin down. I've only seen it 2-3 times in almost a year and a half of ownership, so it's hardly a serious enough issue to raise a fuss about.

My new record. Unfortunately I had to reboot because my localization services stopped working ;\

excellent uptime
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My new record. Unfortunately I had to reboot because my localization services stopped working ;\
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Solid run! That's somewhere short of 3 months, which is very impressive, especially when you consider that some people don't even keep their phones that long .
Good share.

Bill720 said:
Solid run! That's somewhere short of 3 months, which is very impressive, especially when you consider that some people don't even keep their phones that long .
Good share.
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when I rebooted I realised that I forgot my pin code and I've locked my sim card XD I'm not recommending such a long runs if you have short memory xd. Btw phone was running perfectly fine without any slowdows.