...I've tried to find out how to update this bloody thing to Nougat, but to no avail whatsoever. Google has turned up nothing up to date, the folks at Samsung don't seem to know jack (but I bet they can write BOOKS about flagships & recent former flagships like the S8 line & S7 line), and the folks at Boost are even MORE clueless. (And please believe me...I am trying to be as polite as possible - an insanely difficult task given just how violently furious I am!!)
Making matters worse is that I just learned earlier that the Sprint version J3 Emerge - EXACT SAME MODEL, SM-J327P - has already gotten the Nougat update...and even THEY have no idea what Boost is doing or when they'll get the update out. (And it doesn't help that Boost doesn't have a clue, swearing that it's up to the manufacturer, while Samsung also has no clue, swearing that it's up to the carrier. LIES. Somebody has to know SOMETHING!!) For that matter, even the AT&T version (SM-J327A, renamed something stupid like Galaxy Express Prime 2 or something equally Verizon-level dumb) has Nougat STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
So what gives!? Is there any way to upgrade this thing, or is there some sort of port of the Sprint Nougat firmware - which has to be beyond the QF4 baseband - with a Boost fix (akin to how the AT&T and T-Mobile Galaxy S7s can have the SM-G930U firmware flashed to them)? Or should I just chuck this piece of junk into a wall repeatedly and pony up precious funds for something that actually DOES get updates (and preferably with another carrier, as I'm sick of these Shanahanegans from Boost)!?
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...I've tried to find out how to update this bloody thing to Nougat, but to no avail whatsoever. Google has turned up nothing up to date, the folks at Samsung don't seem to know jack (but I bet they can write BOOKS about flagships & recent former flagships like the S8 line & S7 line), and the folks at Boost are even MORE clueless. (And please believe me...I am trying to be as polite as possible - an insanely difficult task given just how violently furious I am!!)
Making matters worse is that I just learned earlier that the Sprint version J3 Emerge - EXACT SAME MODEL, SM-J327P - has already gotten the Nougat update...and even THEY have no idea what Boost is doing or when they'll get the update out. (And it doesn't help that Boost doesn't have a clue, swearing that it's up to the manufacturer, while Samsung also has no clue, swearing that it's up to the carrier. LIES. Somebody has to know SOMETHING!!) For that matter, even the AT&T version (SM-J327A, renamed something stupid like Galaxy Express Prime 2 or something equally Verizon-level dumb) has Nougat STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
So what gives!? Is there any way to upgrade this thing, or is there some sort of port of the Sprint Nougat firmware - which has to be beyond the QF4 baseband - with a Boost fix (akin to how the AT&T and T-Mobile Galaxy S7s can have the SM-G930U firmware flashed to them)? Or should I just chuck this piece of junk into a wall repeatedly and pony up precious funds for something that actually DOES get updates (and preferably with another carrier, as I'm sick of these Shanahanegans from Boost)!?
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I understand what you mean and it's exactly why I don't like dealing with customer service, try this the next time, just ask for the manager and then you might get a better turnout
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I understand what you mean and it's exactly why I don't like dealing with customer service, try this the next time, just ask for the manager and then you might get a better turnout
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Tried that last night when I called Boost AND Samsung. Unfortunately, the managers I spoke with were just as braindead as the representatives. Honestly, I find it impossible that entire staffing teams could be that incompetent. I mean, how do they even get these jobs when they know nothing about their products!?
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Tried that last night when I called Boost AND Samsung. Unfortunately, the managers I spoke with were just as braindead as the representatives. Honestly, I find it impossible that entire staffing teams could be that incompetent. I mean, how do they even get these jobs when they know nothing about their products!?
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I honestly don't know but LG is the same way.
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FireConvoy said:
...I've tried to find out how to update this bloody thing to Nougat, but to no avail whatsoever. Google has turned up nothing up to date, the folks at Samsung don't seem to know jack (but I bet they can write BOOKS about flagships & recent former flagships like the S8 line & S7 line), and the folks at Boost are even MORE clueless. (And please believe me...I am trying to be as polite as possible - an insanely difficult task given just how violently furious I am!!)
Making matters worse is that I just learned earlier that the Sprint version J3 Emerge - EXACT SAME MODEL, SM-J327P - has already gotten the Nougat update...and even THEY have no idea what Boost is doing or when they'll get the update out. (And it doesn't help that Boost doesn't have a clue, swearing that it's up to the manufacturer, while Samsung also has no clue, swearing that it's up to the carrier. LIES. Somebody has to know SOMETHING!!) For that matter, even the AT&T version (SM-J327A, renamed something stupid like Galaxy Express Prime 2 or something equally Verizon-level dumb) has Nougat STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
So what gives!? Is there any way to upgrade this thing, or is there some sort of port of the Sprint Nougat firmware - which has to be beyond the QF4 baseband - with a Boost fix (akin to how the AT&T and T-Mobile Galaxy S7s can have the SM-G930U firmware flashed to them)? Or should I just chuck this piece of junk into a wall repeatedly and pony up precious funds for something that actually DOES get updates (and preferably with another carrier, as I'm sick of these Shanahanegans from Boost)!?
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I checked sammobile and no one has 7.0 for our device yet.
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I honestly don't know but LG is the same way.
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I checked sammobile and no one has 7.0 for our device yet.
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LG has a bunch of imbeciles. Been that way with them since the LG Optimus S/V. As for SamMobile... either that site's outdated or the Sprint rep I spoke to last night had no clue what she was talking about - I asked her specifically about this phone (SM-J327P), seeing as they have the exact same model, and she said that they got the Nougat update...
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LG has a bunch of imbeciles. Been that way with them since the LG Optimus S/V. As for SamMobile... either that site's outdated or the Sprint rep I spoke to last night had no clue what she was talking about - I asked her specifically about this phone (SM-J327P), seeing as they have the exact same model, and she said that they got the Nougat update...
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I could check again next week, if they uploaded it but chances are it's not sammobile depending on when they sent the update out, that's where I get the majority of my firmware for my devices.
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I honestly don't know but LG is the same way.
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I checked sammobile and no one has 7.0 for our device yet.
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The version of this phone... Model in my Tapatalk sig... Came with 7 out of the box
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The version of this phone... Model in my Tapatalk sig... Came with 7 out of the box
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The AT&T version. Exactly my point. The European release also comes with Nougat out the box. And Sprint just got the Nougat update (unless that chick ain't know what she was talking about). So HOW is it even remotely possible that NOBODY knows anything about the Boost variant when it's the same bloody model as the Sprint one (SM-J327P)!? Like I said, LIES. There's absolutely zero chance whatsoever that absolutely NOBODY would have ZERO knowledge of when the update would drop for it. And also like I said, I bet that if it were a flagship or a recent former flagship, these clowns would know enough to write a book or ten about it.
(Edit: Nevermind about that question about your baseband)
Okay...interesting...I just looked up the AT&T version. Check this out:
Android version: 7.0
Security patch level (SPL): June 1, 2017
Baseband version: J327AUCU1AQF4
SAME security patch. Almost IDENTICAL baseband (Boost is J327PVPU1AQF4). So why the bloody deuce isn't the Boost version on Nougat!?
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The AT&T version. Exactly my point. The European release also comes with Nougat out the box. And Sprint just got the Nougat update (unless that chick ain't know what she was talking about). So HOW is it even remotely possible that NOBODY knows anything about the Boost variant when it's the same bloody model as the Sprint one (SM-J327P)!? Like I said, LIES. There's absolutely zero chance whatsoever that absolutely NOBODY would have ZERO knowledge of when the update would drop for it. And also like I said, I bet that if it were a flagship or a recent former flagship, these clowns would know enough to write a book or ten about it.
(Edit: Nevermind about that question about your baseband)
Okay...interesting...I just looked up the AT&T version. Check this out:
Android version: 7.0
Security patch level (SPL): June 1, 2017
Baseband version: J327AUCU1AQF4
SAME security patch. Almost IDENTICAL baseband (Boost is J327PVPU1AQF4). So why the bloody deuce isn't the Boost version on Nougat!?
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Not for nothing... But what do you expect out of a sub $100 device?
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Not for nothing... But what do you expect out of a sub $100 device?
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What would I expect...hmm...perhaps that all variants of the same device are treated equally? It makes zero sense that every variant of this thing EXCEPT the Boost Mobile one either already comes with Nougat (AT&T, Metro PCS, T-Mobile) or just recently got it (Sprint, the closest thing to Boost). And that nobody between the folks at Boost and the folks at Samsung seems to know anything is beyond impossible.
The latest person I spoke with over the phone basically said I should go to a Samsung Experience shop at Best Buy and see if they can help. Now...if the clueless peeps over the phone couldn't do anything...what made her think that some random folks at a display area within a store (that probably know even LESS) could do anything!?
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What would I expect...hmm...perhaps that all variants of the same device are treated equally? It makes zero sense that every variant of this thing EXCEPT the Boost Mobile one either already comes with Nougat (AT&T, Metro PCS, T-Mobile) or just recently got it (Sprint, the closest thing to Boost). And that nobody between the folks at Boost and the folks at Samsung seems to know anything is beyond impossible.
The latest person I spoke with over the phone basically said I should go to a Samsung Experience shop at Best Buy and see if they can help. Now...if the clueless peeps over the phone couldn't do anything...what made her think that some random folks at a display area within a store (that probably know even LESS) could do anything!?
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There is a VERY important difference between the models that you are overlooking...
All the devices that currently have Nougat on it... Are all GSM based... Which is what most of the world uses...
Boost, sprint, Verizon, and us Cellular... Are all CDMA carriers... Which, afaik, are only available in the US... CDMA is an old outdated method of wireless transfer... And if Verizon wasn't so big... Probably wouldn't exist anymore...
So yeah... Fair treatment and all that... But for 20% of the people who might use the phone... You have to see how it isn't cost effective to develop... Especially since you are in the minority as most would just use whatever is on the device...
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There is a VERY important difference between the models that you are overlooking...
All the devices that currently have Nougat on it... Are all GSM based... Which is what most of the world uses...
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Good point. Except as I said, Sprint seems to have just recently gotten Nougat (unless the rep I spoke with didn't know what she was talking about). So that potentially makes one CDMA variant with it...and the Sprint variant's base model number is SM-J327P, just like the Boost one. (It does get a little different when you get into full model numbers - SM-J327PZSASPR for Sprint but SM-J327PZSABST for Boost) So if the Sprint one really has received the update, then perhaps there's some interior carrier workings that I'm unaware of (from a consumer standpoint) that would possibly prevent Nougat from even being possible at all on the Boost version. But it doesn't help that absolutely nobody at Samsung or at Boost knows anything. How do they even have these jobs when they don't know anything about the products?
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Good point. Except as I said, Sprint seems to have just recently gotten Nougat (unless the rep I spoke with didn't know what she was talking about). So that potentially makes one CDMA variant with it...and the Sprint variant's base model number is SM-J327P, just like the Boost one. (It does get a little different when you get into full model numbers - SM-J327PZSASPR for Sprint but SM-J327PZSABST for Boost) So if the Sprint one really has received the update, then perhaps there's some interior carrier workings that I'm unaware of (from a consumer standpoint) that would possibly prevent Nougat from even being possible at all on the Boost version. But it doesn't help that absolutely nobody at Samsung or at Boost knows anything. How do they even have these jobs when they don't know anything about the products?
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You've never read Dilbert?
You've never seen how programmers talk about sales people?
Like I said... Understanding tech more than just using it... Is not normal... Most people don't mess with devices like you see people here on XDA...
Think about it from an end user perspective... What big change happened between marshmallow and nougat that would warrant the cost of bringing up a low end device?
These are paid developers...
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Think about it from an end user perspective... What big change happened between marshmallow and nougat that would warrant the cost of bringing up a low end device?
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I would assume that the "big change" between Marshmallow & Nougat would be the same that would warrant the cost of updating mid-level and especially flagship level devices. But, that's probably an irrelevant point, and I don't want to come across as trying to make an argument of it. Odds are, more end users are on mid-levels & flagships and some of them expect to have the latest & greatest software on it...at least until the next big thing comes along. In that regard, any costs of updates for higher level devices are indeed logical. My thing is that for one variant of a low-level device to be left in the cold while other variants of the exact same device either get updated or have an update immediately out of the packaging doesn't seem logical. Unless, of course, it was the proverbial "beta test" before a wider release.
I did a little more researching...the Verizon variant (SM-J327V, called the Samsung Galaxy J3 Eclipse...probably because Verizon LOVES to rename things) also has Nougat now...which makes two CDMA variants. I guess at this point, it doesn't matter; if the folks at Boost Mobile (and Samsung, with their outdated website info) have no knowledge despite any and all facts presented to them, then odds are probably high that this version of the device simply won't get updated at all.
Funny how supposedly the CDMA carriers don't get the newer updates, yet Verizon's variant came with Nougat out of the box and Sprints was updated and US Cellular's J3 (2017)[which by a simple googling...is what the Emerge is commonly refered to as with it's variants across all the carriers] has Nougat out of the box.
Now, I don't know about you...but the MVNOs of one of the carriers that supposedly doesn't have Nougat based on the bollocks that it's "CDMA" is the only one out of ALL the carriers that have this phone or its variants is ludicrous. The ODIN package for my phone is for Sprint and both of its MVNOs, which makes me wonder what the hell Boost and Virgin Mobile are doing when they should honestly get the same updates that Sprint gets.
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There is a VERY important difference between the models that you are overlooking...
All the devices that currently have Nougat on it... Are all GSM based... Which is what most of the world uses...
Boost, sprint, Verizon, and us Cellular... Are all CDMA carriers... Which, afaik, are only available in the US... CDMA is an old outdated method of wireless transfer... And if Verizon wasn't so big... Probably wouldn't exist anymore...
So yeah... Fair treatment and all that... But for 20% of the people who might use the phone... You have to see how it isn't cost effective to develop... Especially since you are in the minority as most would just use whatever is on the device...
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the verizon variant J327V eclipse received 7.0 btw
I has one thing to say...
I have been doing A LOT of research about Boost's variant of the J327P the last week or so because my boyfriend softbricked his and I had to fix it, and have only seem to come up with one conclusion about Boost Mobile itself. Boost Mobile really just sucks donkey **** when it comes to support for devices. I can't think of any other way to put it. I say this because even when Sprint's variant was still running Marshmallow, Sprint released SOOO many more updates on firmware than Boost has. It's actually to the point where my brain literally hurts and I legitimately contemplated whether or not getting stung by 5 billion wasps would be a better solution than trying to figure out what the **** Boost Mobile is doing when it comes to releasing software updates for ALL of their phones. Not just this one. In fact, my head hurts so badly from trying to come up with a viable reason as to why Boost doesn't release updates as often as other phone carriers do, that I would almost rather stab myself in the eye with a corkscrew and remove it wine cork style than try to think about this any longer.
*sigh* If you manage to figure out anything new on the subject, please pm me. It'd be nice to be in touch with someone who actually understands things about this particular phone since my boyfriend seems to like it so much and makes me fix it every time it gets stuck booting. I am currently fixing it because it randomly factory reset itself and enabled the FRP lock. No joke, he unlocked the screen on his phone to google something, it said, "**** your google question," and reset itself. :crying: My only advice on this phone is to immediately find the nearest boulder and SMASH it to bits.
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I have been doing A LOT of research about Boost's variant of the J327P the last week or so because my boyfriend softbricked his and I had to fix it, and have only seem to come up with one conclusion about Boost Mobile itself. Boost Mobile really just sucks donkey **** when it comes to support for devices. I can't think of any other way to put it. I say this because even when Sprint's variant was still running Marshmallow, Sprint released SOOO many more updates on firmware than Boost has. It's actually to the point where my brain literally hurts and I legitimately contemplated whether or not getting stung by 5 billion wasps would be a better solution than trying to figure out what the **** Boost Mobile is doing when it comes to releasing software updates for ALL of their phones. Not just this one. In fact, my head hurts so badly from trying to come up with a viable reason as to why Boost doesn't release updates as often as other phone carriers do, that I would almost rather stab myself in the eye with a corkscrew and remove it wine cork style than try to think about this any longer.
*sigh* If you manage to figure out anything new on the subject, please pm me. It'd be nice to be in touch with someone who actually understands things about this particular phone since my boyfriend seems to like it so much and makes me fix it every time it gets stuck booting. I am currently fixing it because it randomly factory reset itself and enabled the FRP lock. No joke, he unlocked the screen on his phone to google something, it said, "**** your google question," and reset itself. :crying: My only advice on this phone is to immediately find the nearest boulder and SMASH it to bits.
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Would you be willing to root it and flash either a magiskSU or a SuperSU custom ROM?
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Would you be willing to root it and flash either a magiskSU or a SuperSU custom ROM?
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It was already rooted using SuperSu. It's back to stock now, but I'd have to ask my boyfriend if he wants it rooted again cause it's his phone. If it was mine, I'd say hell yeah. Unfortunately, I have a ZTE Warp 7 (N9519) and ZTE all but vanquished any type of access to the bootloader. It's virtually nonexistent and that's not a joke by any means. So my phone is extremely hard to root. If you'd like to give it a go, just let me know because I just got my hands on a Galaxy Note 5 for free that I'm about to switch to and I don't care much for the ZTE. I actually recently won $60 on a bet between myself and a friend of mine who has rooted every phone he's ever touched that he wouldn't be able to root my Warp 7. I thought that my pockets were going to be $60 lighter but I was wrong. I can't say that I can pay you or that its even worth your time, but if you can get my ZTE rooted for the sole purpose of sticking it to the man (ZTE in this case) I'd definately love for my phone to be your guinea pig. It's better than my other plans for the device which may or may not include mailing it to ZTE in a bag filled with urine and feces. -.-
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It was already rooted using SuperSu. It's back to stock now, but I'd have to ask my boyfriend if he wants it rooted again cause it's his phone. If it was mine, I'd say hell yeah. Unfortunately, I have a ZTE Warp 7 (N9519) and ZTE all but vanquished any type of access to the bootloader. It's virtually nonexistent and that's not a joke by any means. So my phone is extremely hard to root. If you'd like to give it a go, just let me know because I just got my hands on a Galaxy Note 5 for free that I'm about to switch to and I don't care much for the ZTE. I actually recently won $60 on a bet between myself and a friend of mine who has rooted every phone he's ever touched that he wouldn't be able to root my Warp 7. I thought that my pockets were going to be $60 lighter but I was wrong. I can't say that I can pay you or that its even worth your time, but if you can get my ZTE rooted for the sole purpose of sticking it to the man (ZTE in this case) I'd definately love for my phone to be your guinea pig. It's better than my other plans for the device which may or may not include mailing it to ZTE in a bag filled with urine and feces. -.-
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I had the ZTE warp 6, what android version is it on, your warp 7?
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According to an Samsung insider( of whom shall be annonymous), it seems like Samsung is scheduled to release their Froyo + GPS update to At&t at the end of September.
The question is, will At&T release this update on their OTA on the same month?
Manufacturer may have the solution fixed, but if the carrier doesnt release it to the public, what is the point no?
Here is the direct quote from this insider:
"Froyo plus GPS update will be available at the end of September. Now let's just pray that A&T releases it at the same time."
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We all hope this will be the case.
Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Hard to say, I'd expect to have to re-root though and also to have to use a modified update.zip to root, if not a new method all together.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
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It is likely you will have to root the device again.
Well Samsung said on their @samsungtweets account that the GPS fix was indeed coming at end of September. It didnt say anything about Froyo though.
"We're testing software to optimize GPS on US Galaxy S. Expected updates avail. in Sept. Details & download to follow."
I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Or you can wait for a custom ROM to be put out based on the release source. Only problem is that it may take a while.
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I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
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If they were smart they would hop on android bandwagon. If all the reports are true and they are losing iphone exclusivity soon, and they are slow to support android they are going to be in a heap of trouble. Crackberries alone cant and wont save them
Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I think around time of release date of captivate there were an commercial was more of an samsung commercial then att.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7SjPL59BU
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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the thing i remember most is the hairy hand that guy had in the commercial lol
When the update from ATT arrives, can I decide to install it or not? Will it be forced to my phone?
Sure I want froyo, but if it is going to bring other limitations impossed by ATT, I'd pass and continue waiting.
lol when i saw the vibrant commercial i thought it was a captivate commercial untill the end when i started paying attention and noticed the differences
Is this a Captivate only thing? Because I would imagine T-mobile would want it first more than AT&T, since they don't have an iPhone and the Vibrant is basically their topmost phone right now.
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I went and saw inception today, as I pulled my phone out to turn it off, the captivate commercial came on. It was great, got my iPhone using friends attention, and he couldn't wait to play with it.
at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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AT&T knows that the iPhone users are loyal to the phone and not the company. Their new Android strategy might as well be labeled their "exit strategy" from the iPhone to retain customers when they lose exclusivity.
If the rumors are true, Verizon will have it's single largest porting day in January and AT&T better prepare for it. Having devices like the Captivate sure help but they need to be on the phone with HTC daily demanding an EVOish device from them as well.
The Captivate won't get the number of customers the iPhone did but if they launched an ad campaign for a large and diverse Android portfolio headlined by the Captivate, a high end Moto, and HTC with the X10, Aria, and other devices below it they could surprisingly become the company for Android.
The iUsers will still get the iPhone, a small percentage will defect like I did, but they will have a steady stream of devices that vastly surpass the iPhone and will not be as affected as they could be.
For some reason the Streak slipped my mind. Add that to the high-end devices.
well thats samsungs release date but we all know att plus yeah i think i might just switch over to verizon i was doing some comparison and their plans are way cheaper for me
Another interesting tidbit from the web:
What's the Holdup with Froyo Update? We'll explain...
AT&T is trying to fill the internal SD card with as much bloat as possible, it takes time to make sure the phone will run as crappy as possible.
AT&T and Samsung are both focusing most of their time and energy on their upcoming phones revealed at CES. Samsung is notorious for their slow updates, sometimes they don't even update their phones at all. And AT&T is slow at releasing updates because of having to put all of their bloatware in there
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The same thing that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
Its not Samsung!!!.. 2.2 is out in the rest of the world!! its AT&T and T-mobile.. that slow things down. Canada's Captivate got the 2.2 update... and the phone just came out their a month ago and the phone is the same as the USA Captivate.... and the other Samsung S phones got the update some over 2 months ago...
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The same **** that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
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You mean motoblur and a locked bootloader?
New Captivate noob....
Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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You can either:
-Pay more per month (I think it's $10)
-Install a custom ROM and do it for free
But yes, you can use it as a hotspot for a laptop.
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Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
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I read this earlier today on phandroid. It certainly sounds plausible, and it wouldn't surprise me at all. I sent a tweet to GalaxySSupport about it - can't wait to see what they say about it.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow.
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Let me know if this actually happens. I tried, twice, to order a Captivate from AmazonWireless using their 2-day shipping option. When they failed the first time they promised to send it overnight. That one showed up 6 days later and was refused since I had already gone and bought one on sale at Radio Shack. They suck.
Funny reading that article - they make it sound as though the delay is being blamed on the z4root app. seriously? no matter what they do to the next vers. of android. we will root it
Bottom line is these updates are an extremely low priority for Samsung. Dev's here at XDA put together roms in a matter of days and they do it by hacking apart official (or leaked) software from other phones. Imagine if they had access to the driver and kernel source code like Samsung does? Imagine if they were the people who built the hardware and knew all the ins and outs of it? I realize that Samsung has to test their updates a LOT more than dev's here (where we are often the testers), but its been 6 months since the phone's release and over a year since Froyo's release. Not to mention that Samsung has an IT team whereas dev's here are usually 1 person working in their spare time.
Also I wanted to mention that I don't think that AT&T adds the bloatware themselves; I believe Samsung does it according to AT&T's wishes. The few leaked froyo updates we got for the captivate were AT&Tified with bloat and all. Since those were leaks and not nearly done, there is no way they went to AT&T to add in the bloat. Now, that doesn't mean AT&T can't delay the process. I'd imagine they get a chance to test any firmware Samsung gives them and they can reject it back Samsung, wasting more time.
One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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Its probably been said but it's not $am$ung anymore, its AT$T. They have 2.2 but they are "testing" (filling it with bloatware).
Sent from my Galaxy S Captivate...still no Froyo...
To be honest, now that Roger's release Froyo for their Captivate, there is no point to continue to wait for the AT&T release. The Roger's version even has WiFi hotspot, tethering, and the option to install non-market apps out of the box. This is what I am running with a few tweaks here and there. No complaints.
I have come to the conclusion that I will not buy another branded handset from AT&T ever again. I also will probably not by a Samsung product again for a while as well.
The only reason I want a Stock Froyo release for the captivate is to get Samsung to release the GPL required kernel source. With this, our devs can make ROMS that are faster, and more stable. I am HOPING that the release of Rogers 2.2 firmware means that this source code release is imminent. Otherwise we may have to get involved with pestering Samsung to put the source out.
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But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
Originally Posted by boborone
At&t stopped the 6.5 win mo update for the fuze so people would buy the tilt 2. Why should this be any different?
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Not sure where you saw that. It was not a AT&T or HTC decision. Microsoft only allowed official WM 6.5 updates for phones with the "Windows" button on them. Since the Fuze had a "home" button, it did not qualify for WM 6.5. If AT&T had held it back, then other Raphael, Diamond, and/or Blackstone handsets (Verizon TP, etc) would have gotten WM 6.5. In fact none of the Raphael, Diamond, or Blackstone phones got WM 6.5.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
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Thanks for the quote. I find it interesting that boborone admits that Microsoft has hardware requirements but doesn't realize that one of Microsoft's hardware requirements for WM 6.5 was that a 'Windows" button was required.
Honestly, I don't know if AT&T has ever blocked a software/firmware upgrade from a manufacturer in order to sell new phones, but I doubt they make enough money by blocking an update to a 1 year old phone to make any difference. As most people have 2 year contracts, they are not going to upgrade after only 1 year. The iPhone seems to be the notable exception to this, but by allowing iPhone users to upgrade to a new version at a discounted rate after 1 year, AT&T is losing more money than by keeping them on the their old iPhone for an extra 6-12 months. AT&T allows early upgrades in order to extend contracts before they expire and garner customer loyalty. Whether or not my 1 year old Fuze got WM 6.5 or not, I still waited 18 months before upgrading to get the extra discount and the availability of official (or un-official) WM 6.5 for my phone had no impact on my decision...it was all about the extra $50 discount.
In short, I don't think the availability (or lack there-of) of Froyo for the Captivate has anything to do with AT&T trying to make money by getting users to replace the Captivate with a phone that runs Froyo, especially since as of today, the only AT&T phone running Froyo is still the Aria which is a cheaper phone, and even when the Atrix/Infuze/Inspire are released, no Captivate owners (that purchased a Captivate with their new phone discount) will qualify for a new phone yet. Delaying or refusing an update to the Captivate (when other SGS phones are getting Froyo) is much more likely to cost AT&T in the long term as dissatisfied customers go to other carriers.
By far the most likely cause of the delay is exactly what has been said (you just need to read between the lines a little). Samsung said that the delay was due to "complexity issues" last week, and this week the delay is to ensure a "smooth upgrade." Those two pieces of information combined with all the reported upgrade problems on other SGS phones and Kies Mini frequently having issues recognizing that a phone is plugged in cause "complexity" and would result in an upgrade that is not "smooth" for the customers.
The Kies mini problems have to be addressed, and since the US is the only country that uses Kies mini, it only affects US carriers. For me, Kies mini only recognizes my phone about 10% of the time on a Windows XP machine. On my Windows 7 machine, Kies (full version 1.5.0.80) recognizes when my phone is plugged in 100% of the time (even when I do not select Kies for the connection).
Well looks like theres a galaxy s 3 with full jelly bean.... no leaks or nothing!!! lol well its not out yet but its the galaxy s 3 mini!!! If you read the last paragraph it says all variants of s 3 will get jelly at the end of this quarter!!! LMAO yeah we shall see!!!!!
http://www.popherald.com/20121023_samsung_galaxy_s3_jelly_bean_update_keyboard_rumor-20246
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Well looks like theres a galaxy s 3 with full jelly bean.... no leaks or nothing!!! lol well its not out yet but its the galaxy s 3 mini!!! If you read the last paragraph it says all variants of s 3 will get jelly at the end of this quarter!!! LMAO yeah we shall see!!!!!
http://www.popherald.com/20121023_samsung_galaxy_s3_jelly_bean_update_keyboard_rumor-20246
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We gotta wait longer for VZW to give it to use officially. Don't get your hopes up.
Definitely thread worthy news.
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Definitely thread worthy news.
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lulz
1 star thread.
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Yeah Verizon sucks no telling when we will see an update
Even a VZW leak would be useful.
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JB won't be coming out officially any time soon.
I'd post a link but not allowed to since I am under 10 posts.
well it is a galaxy s 3 but its a mini.... it is coming with jelly bean on it...go figure a new phone for verizon with jelly and the original s 3 still without it!!
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well it is a galaxy s 3 but its a mini.... it is coming with jelly bean on it...go figure a new phone for verizon with jelly and the original s 3 still without it!!
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Guess you never owned a new RAZR. ICS took forever and JB is a pipe dream. The new RAZR M just got JB so this is nothing new. Their focus is on selling new to market units, not throwing money at upgrading the OS on already sold units.
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Guess you never owned a new RAZR. ICS took forever and JB is a pipe dream. The new RAZR M just got JB so this is nothing new. Their focus is on selling new to market units, not throwing money at upgrading the OS on already sold units.
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Funny thing is the S3 is still Verizon's best phone and well continue to be for now. Putting JB on it will just help sell more units as well as keep current customers happy.
Unfortunately Verizon does not care about keeping customers happy as long as they continue to hit their numbers every quarter.
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Funny thing is the S3 is still Verizon's best phone and well continue to be for now. Putting JB on it will just help sell more units as well as keep current customers happy.
Unfortunately Verizon does not care about keeping customers happy as long as they continue to hit their numbers every quarter.
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Thats because Verizon prefers to push their "Droid" branded phones IMO.
They will eventually have to release a JB update. I'm just hoping source doesn't take too long to drop after it.
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I'm really really really hoping I'm wrong but based on Verizon's history, I'm not holding out hope that we will see JellyBean on our GS3s anytime soon.
Take for example the Galaxy Nexus, by all logic the Verizon version should have gotten JB update at the same time as the GSM version.
However from what I understand(I don't own one) the GSM Nexus got the JB update the last week of June (~27th), while Verizon Nexus owners didn't receive it till Sept 27th, almost 2 months later.
Even if you argue that it takes a little longer to create CDMA/LTE-JB compared to a GSM/LTE-JB that doesn't account for the 2 month time lag. Not when you have access to all of the source code and hardware roadmaps the Samsung does.
In fact, I don't think it has anything to do with Samsung at all. According to what I've recently read, Sprint GS3's are getting JB starting tomorrow.
That means Samsung has already created an acceptable Official CDMA/LTE-JB update that has already been vetted by Sprint that is set to start being pushed out tomorrow with absolutely no evidence of one even existing for Verizon(not even a whiff of a leak or anything)
I don't know why it takes so long, but I do know that it seems like Verizon never gets anything first, in fact they usually get everything last(not counting T-mobile)
At this point I've stopped checking the forum. I'm just hopping that I'll wake up one morning and see an update notification on my phone.
Rumor has it Sprint might be getting OTA JB update starting tomorrow. If that is true, way to go Sprint. That is how updates should roll out.
Guess we will see tomorrow.
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Funny thing is the S3 is still Verizon's best phone and well continue to be for now. Putting JB on it will just help sell more units as well as keep current customers happy.
Unfortunately Verizon does not care about keeping customers happy as long as they continue to hit their numbers every quarter.
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Putting JB on it won't sell more units. Most people don't know the difference and couldn't tell you the difference if they did a side by side comparison.
Google created this monster when it decided to make it open source with little control over how it's utilized. Apple devices cost more to the carrier and the carrier has little to no input on how the phone functions.
Apple made face time open for use over data where before it was wifi only. What did the carriers do, cry and get over it. Apple introduces imessage which circumvents regular texting lowering revenue from text messaging. What do the carriers do? Nada. Had it been android it wouldn't make it to our devices because they have no control over it. They release the OS, manufacturer builds it to the phones specs and then it's sent off to the carrier for bloating and restricting. Verizon is a service provider they have no business diddling around in an operating system.
Verizon as a customer centric business does have a great customer service. They're more responsive than most other carriers. However, they are in the business to make money and they want to maintain control of the very devices that could either make or break them. We phone enthusiasts are just a drop in the bucket to the millions of other customers that don't care what version OS their phone is on.
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Guess you never owned a new RAZR. ICS took forever and JB is a pipe dream. The new RAZR M just got JB so this is nothing new. Their focus is on selling new to market units, not throwing money at upgrading the OS on already sold units.
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This is what draws people to Apple though. They should take a lesson if they want to compete on the long-term.
I'll never, ever, buy another Motorola phone again. They come out with a new phone every other month, and drop support entirely for their existing phones.
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Rumor has it Sprint might be getting OTA JB update starting tomorrow. If that is true, way to go Sprint. That is how updates should roll out.
Guess we will see tomorrow.
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Sprint is pretty good about updates but sometimes they are to quick on the draw. The S2 had some serious issues with one of the updates that would cause it to hard brick.
Sent from my Galaxy S III
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This is what draws people to Apple though. They should take a lesson if they want to compete on the long-term.
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Dude you are wrong.
Most people don't know about & don't care about JB. Only the fanatics(ie people on XDA, me included) care one way or the other what version of Android is running on their phone.
This is even more true for IOS users. If OEMs didn't push updates to phones OTA most phones would never get updated. There are plenty of people who have there phones set up pretty much exactly the way it was coming out of the box.
I'd argue that your average Android user is a little bit more savvy about customizing his experience but mostly because there are more options, not necessarily because they are more tech savvy. Overall that average user isn't significantly more advanced than an average IOS user.
You would be surprised how many people purchase phones based on either the salesman's advice or the advice of a friend.
All of the talk of specs, fragmentation, OS updates is purely for the phone geek crowd.
Probably 1% of people are going to make their decision based on update version.
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Rumor has it Sprint might be getting OTA JB update starting tomorrow. If that is true, way to go Sprint. That is how updates should roll out.
Guess we will see tomorrow.
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I would much rather be on Verizons network running ICS as opposed to Sprints with JellyBean...I need service more than timely updates. We will get a update, until then im perfectly content with what development is currently active on this device. we dont need jellybean source to get the ril perfected anyway. all we need is a dev like jt1134 that wrote the mtd filesystem for the fascinate and hacked the ril to near perfection...he also was the main reason cm7 ever made it to the fascinate. That device barely got a gingerbread ota and that didnt happen till way after cm7 was released. point is, support your devs folks! they are the ones that will keep this device up to date after the carriers drop it. I never log on to xda for news on ota updates...things are so much different now than it use to be here and there is alot less dense information in these forums. Now 1 in 3 threads is about ota or root...lol
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I would much rather be on Verizons network running ICS as opposed to Sprints with JellyBean...I need service more than timely updates. We will get a update, until then im perfectly content with what development is currently active on this device. we dont need jellybean source to get the ril perfected anyway. all we need is a dev like jt1134 that wrote the mtd filesystem for the fascinate and hacked the ril to near perfection...he also was the main reason cm7 ever made it to the fascinate. That device barely got a gingerbread ota and that didnt happen till way after cm7 was released. point is, support your devs folks! they are the ones that will keep this device up to date after the carriers drop it. I never log on to xda for news on ota updates...things are so much different now than it use to be here and there is alot less dense information in these forums. Now 1 in 3 threads is about ota or root...lol
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I never said I would rather be on Sprint. I left Sprint about 8 months ago after being with them for 15 years. I am just saying I am pretty surprised to see this update come out so quick for them. Would have guessed we would have seen it on AT&T or T-Mobile first. Whether you like Sprint or not is irrelevant, I do think it is kind of cool to see JB released already for them though. It shows that there head is in the right place.
To be honest, if Verizon's network was not leaps and bounds better then others I do not even think the company would exist right now. Choosing to lock bootloaders, blocking apps like Google Wallet, worst data plans, the slowest updates ever and basically not caring about what the customer wants does not sound to enticing. Once the other providers catch up they better start to change their tude or they will begin to see a huge decline in numbers.
I do think Sprint really f'd up and now they are trying to be the good guy. While their network was going to the ****ter instead of giving their customers reasons to stay they continued to remove features at a rapid pace. They removed the Premier program, removed discounts from any line but the first, raised their ETF fee, raised their insurance prices and I am sure I am missing a few other things. Maybe now they are realizing with a network as ****ty as theirs they need reasons to actually keep customers and not scare them away.
This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
I was aware of it. The seller I bought it from does care about these matters. I bought as it as a learning experience. I sure aren't trying to start any arguments or fights. I was just hoping it could be discussed normally.
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How do you interpret that as smugness? Did you not see the emoticons in my post?
Actually this is the kind of thread people start that are only looking for arguments. It adds nothing to the community. However, I understand your frustration with Samsung and I am sure others feel the same way. But don't think it's OK to post your opinion about a subject and it isn't OK for others to do the same. Not everyone's opinion is going to be the same as yours and creating a thread like this invites ALL opinions on the matter. That is why it's better to not make them in the first place.
Personally (again, my opinion), I knew the phone had a locked boot loader when I bought it. So I am sorry you were lied to about it.
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No, I didn't see the emoticons. I guess I wasn't expecting your response. Sorry!
Your best bet is to stop buying AT&T contracts, as it's they who request for the lock and it's not like Samsung is gonna turn down millions of dollars because a couple thousand modders disagree :/
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This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
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wait for the lg optimus g2 or the moto x. those phones look amazing. they might come with an unlocked bootloader. i was just pondering this the other day. ive only purchased two new phones that were not samsung in my smartphone history. that was the iphone 4s (which i traded for a skyrocket) and the htc surround (wanted to give wp7 a shot). ive had other htcs and one sony. but they were craigslist deals. my next phone is most likely going to be the g2 or moto x. i think its about time for me to give someone else a fair shot.
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Your best bet is to stop buying AT&T contracts, as it's they who request for the lock and it's not like Samsung is gonna turn down millions of dollars because a couple thousand modders disagree :/
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I don't have an AT&T contract. ST is cheaper per month.
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This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
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I think that the S4 has made me a heretic in XDA's eyes. The stock experience, especially after this update, has been marvelous. I've had a bunch of Android devices since 2010 and this is the first time that I think futzing around with custom ROMs is mostly useless. Sure, it's locked down, but it works great. I just shake my head seeing bug reports on the dev threads and wonder why an end user would want to cripple functionality on one of the best phones yet.
Anyway, maybe I got most of the flashing out of my system with my Nexus One and then later with the hooptie Viewsonic gTab 10.1. I think now that the platform is maturing and devices become even more complex, flashing homebrew ROMs will start to fall out of style.
Just my BTC .02, though. I'd like to see amateur/recreactional custom Android development to continue to thrive, though--perhaps on the next to wave of wearable computing and the like. I just want my bling phone to work as advertised.
Er, sorry for droning on.
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I think that the S4 has made me a heretic in XDA's eyes. The stock experience, especially after this update, has been marvelous. I've had a bunch of Android devices since 2010 and this is the first time that I think futzing around with custom ROMs is mostly useless. Sure, it's locked down, but it works great. I just shake my head seeing bug reports on the dev threads and wonder why an end user would want to cripple functionality on one of the best phones yet.
Anyway, maybe I got most of the flashing out of my system with my Nexus One and then later with the hooptie Viewsonic gTab 10.1. I think now that the platform is maturing and devices become even more complex, flashing homebrew ROMs will start to fall out of style.
Just my BTC .02, though. I'd like to see amateur/recreactional custom Android development to continue to thrive, though--perhaps on the next to wave of wearable computing and the like. I just want my bling phone to work as advertised.
Er, sorry for droning on.
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No. Thanks for your input. I have a whole another perspective now.
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I think that the S4 has made me a heretic in XDA's eyes. The stock experience, especially after this update, has been marvelous. I've had a bunch of Android devices since 2010 and this is the first time that I think futzing around with custom ROMs is mostly useless. Sure, it's locked down, but it works great. I just shake my head seeing bug reports on the dev threads and wonder why an end user would want to cripple functionality on one of the best phones yet.
Anyway, maybe I got most of the flashing out of my system with my Nexus One and then later with the hooptie Viewsonic gTab 10.1. I think now that the platform is maturing and devices become even more complex, flashing homebrew ROMs will start to fall out of style.
Just my BTC .02, though. I'd like to see amateur/recreactional custom Android development to continue to thrive, though--perhaps on the next to wave of wearable computing and the like. I just want my bling phone to work as advertised.
Er, sorry for droning on.
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You know to be honest I hope your right. Custom roms and XDA were never really ment for the normal person. Only for those that wished to learn to do development and programing. With Android flashing a device became the cool thing to do. Now we see less real development then ever. So I really hope your right.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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You know to be honest I hope your right. Custom roms and XDA were never really ment for the normal person. Only for those that wished to learn to do development and programing. With Android flashing a device became the cool thing to do. Now we see less real development then ever. So I really hope your right.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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I couldn't have said it any better. It won't be long til we see roms named "swag" or "#yolo" or even named "freelilwayne". Everyone just expects everything to work 100% with no development. All I see are now spammers for apps and themes or someone asking why something doesn't work even though there are 48 other threads about it. I miss the old XDA.
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I couldn't have said it any better. It won't be long til we see roms named "swag" or "#yolo" or even named "freelilwayne". Everyone just expects everything to work 100% with no development. All I see are now spammers for apps and themes or someone asking why something doesn't work even though there are 48 other threads about it. I miss the old XDA.
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The Q & A section in this forum is nearly unusable. There are a few legitimate threads, but almost exclusively it is filled with the same (sometimes noob) crap over and over again all because they are too lazy to do a little searching and reading. And like you said, several of the same questions (that have already been answered) all on the first page or two. Sometimes it's not even the noobs doing it. And that's not taking into consideration the multitudes of the same types of posts (needless questions) being posted in the General section. So I agree, there should be some type of test(s) that people need to pass before they can even enter XDA at this point.
sholsten said:
I don't have an AT&T contract. ST is cheaper per month.
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I mean don't buy anything branded from AT&T or Verizon or any carrier whose device is locked. If you went with the T-Mobile model you wouldn't have been locked down.
Honestly I felt the same way initially. Then I asked myself what Android company am I going to buy then?
HTC - they typically have locked boot loaders (though the One does not)
Moto - Nope always locked and they don't make any cool phones right now.
LG - locked typically
Sony - wouldn't know since they have like No US phones.
So would I rather pay $600 for a phone with boot loader unlocked or $200 for a locked one, I pick the $200. I am assuming must people would also.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using xda app-developers app
My take; I have had AT&T locked phones in the past and usually someone finds a way to either hack the bootloader or make a bypass, it just takes a lot more time. Still fun to have the phone and customize. Then I've also paid the big dollars and bought the international version unlocked phone. It was great because of lots of customizing, and support however if you run into a warranty issue you are screwed. Unless you know someone in the country your phone came from. I have an international SGS3 but a couple small glitches in the graphics and the worry of the bad system board that causes the instant black screen of death (or whatever it was) I started looking at the S4. I was ready to buy another international phone but it came down to features and actual function. I wanted 4G LTE. Well back when I bought the S3 there were 2 international SGS3 phones. I bought the one with LTE first (9305) turns out the frequencies the phone runs for 3G+ did not work with AT&T in the US. I had to sell it on eBay, forget having LTE, lose a gig of Ram and get the 9300. Then I decided about going back to AT&T and get S4 because I would be covered under warranty and I get all the features that are going to work where I live. Cool thing is its the same hardware as the 9505 so there's still quite a bit of customizing with the SGH-I337. For me it will come down to the features and what works for me in my area. I learned the hard way with the SGS3. Frequencies and no warranty.
Sent from my GT-I9505 converted SGH-I337
sholsten said:
This S4 boot loader debacle has turned me against U.S. carrier based phones. I can't giving $600+ for something as they please without our permission. I'll have to investigate/research which International version I want to buy.
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just buy a canadian version, they have identical hardware and you will know will have full compatibility with american wireless networks
I feel cheated. I paid $650 out of contract to AT&T for this phone coming from a iPhone, a locked platform I was getting tired of, especially with Jailbreaking becoming harder on it, for the reason to "play" with my phone. With a locked bootloader, and a carrier locked, I cannot do that.
In the world of DRM losing ground you would think they would learn? Moto dropping their locked boot loaders... DRM being removed from Google Play Music and iTunes... people are sick of it adding complication to their lives. I had a P3113 Galaxy Tab 2 7" WiFi only and loved it because of how open it was. Currently running CM10.1.2 on it. Yet their phones are so locked down.
It's not entirely Samsung's fault. AT&T requests a locked bootloader. Samsung provides. A bug around it is found, Samsung has to patch it from a security standpoint. Not their fault. However with the popularity of this phone they could have easily said "No locked bootloaders" and shoved it down AT&T and other carriers throats if they had the balls to do it.
WoodburyMan said:
I feel cheated. I paid $650 out of contract to AT&T for this phone coming from a iPhone, a locked platform I was getting tired of, especially with Jailbreaking becoming harder on it, for the reason to "play" with my phone. With a locked bootloader, and a carrier locked, I cannot do that.
In the world of DRM losing ground you would think they would learn? Moto dropping their locked boot loaders... DRM being removed from Google Play Music and iTunes... people are sick of it adding complication to their lives. I had a P3113 Galaxy Tab 2 7" WiFi only and loved it because of how open it was. Currently running CM10.1.2 on it. Yet their phones are so locked down.
It's not entirely Samsung's fault. AT&T requests a locked bootloader. Samsung provides. A bug around it is found, Samsung has to patch it from a security standpoint. Not their fault. However with the popularity of this phone they could have easily said "No locked bootloaders" and shoved it down AT&T and other carriers throats if they had the balls to do it.
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They were not gonna miss out on the millions of devices sold just for the .1% of people that mode the device. That is why they came out with the GE versions.
Wayne Tech Nexus
zelendel said:
They were not gonna miss out on the millions of devices sold just for the .1% of people that mode the device. That is why they came out with the GE versions.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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True enough. Had I known about the Google Edition I would have waited a bit. If I really wanted I could buy it and sell my current SGH-I337 for a little less than I bought it for. However I kinda wanted to retain the ability to run full Touchwiz / Stock based roms easily.
I'm still happy as I am now running CM10.1 on my phone, and running Goldeneye ROM if I want a stock full Touchwiz ROM. Flash AMF3 model.. and keeping my AMDL Odin package safe. Just had I bought the phone with AMF3 on it I would be totally turned off and be unusable for me because of patched Loki.
personally, i mod or mess with everything. camera rigs i do myself, computers i build myself. cars i mod (and have rebuilt one with help) myself. my house i work on or change.
it is a fundamental hallmark of humanity that we change our environment and create or modify tools around us to suit our needs. so flashing ROMs or trying to customize or even just tinker with these devices is, in my opinion, simply an extension of what it means to be human, to create, express, and change. anything that limits that creativity is a bad thing IMO.
this is where locked bootloaders, fragmentation, and endless carrier variants become bad things, and where i do like apples' approach; one nearly universal product (hardware wise other than LTE/GSM/CDMA or storage size). However, apple is horrible for locked down software.
i will always root/unlock my phones as long as that is possible, because i can. i will always build my own computers, because i can. and i will always drive stick and for sure it wont be stock either; because i can.
Thermalwolf said:
I mean don't buy anything branded from AT&T or Verizon or any carrier whose device is locked. If you went with the T-Mobile model you wouldn't have been locked down.
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Thanks. I didn't realize T-mobile wasn't locked. I wish I'd known when I bought mine.
I wonder if things will stay the same on near new models like the Note 3.
I've pretty much decided that when this phone launches I'm getting it, but there are somethings that can still dissuade me. I'd simply like to know how popular the V series is with the kind of people who like to root and make custom ROMs? I can assume the Verizon version will have a locked bootloader, but what about the sprint version? Also how supportive is LG of the XDA community, will it be a battle to get them to release the binary blobs?
I join your question and also if you know when it will come out, I do not know if it will come out like all the V in October. Which is a pity because I would lose a lot of sales for leaving late.
Galeonero said:
I join your question and also if you know when it will come out, I do not know if it will come out like all the V in October. Which is a pity because I would lose a lot of sales for leaving late.
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I don't have an exact date, but it'll most likely be may. That's when sprint is rolling out 5g, and this is the phone they'll be pushing with it.
Anyone know if there will be a V60 thisyear...or just the V40 for 5G (V50)?