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[Q] What's up with the invite system, and is it going away at some point?

Why is OnePlus using this invite system? I honestly don't see the logic behind deliberately limiting the amount of people that can give OnePlus money. Also, is this invite system going eventually go away and open the phone to the public or will it forever be an invite-only phone?

Probably because the supply cannot meet its demand. So they have a invite system to cause hype, free marketing until they their supply can meet the demand. Plus at the price of $349, they aren't making much profit on the phone.
But I agree, get rid of the invite system and get the phone in people's hands before the specs become outdated to other flagship devices. They're here making customizable covers and whatnot, who cares.. just get the phone out to meet its demand.

The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.

Zorachus said:
The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
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I doubt the OPO will be "dead meat." There is no serious next gen hardware unless it ships with Snapdragon 805.
OPO will still be a good phone regardless and its hard to pack that much in a $349 phone especially coming from a popular manufacturer such as LG/Samsung/HTC. OPO will have Android "L" regardless.
Obvious troll is obvious.

Zorachus said:
The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
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Have you ever tried to buy a Nexus phone on release?...
Plus I doubt that Nexus 6 will have 805...

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Have you ever tried to buy a Nexus phone on release?...
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Yes. I have owned the first four Nexus phones, and all but the Nexus 4 were easy and fast to get. I got the Nexus-One the first week it came out, I got the Nexus-S at T-Mobile Best Buy the morning it was released immediately, I ordered the Galaxy Nexus online the 2nd week it was out, and got it the week after, and the Nexus 4 was a pain, was sold out the first two months, and was impossible to find, but by the third month they had better stock and I got one. I did not get the Nexus 5, because the crappy battery life, and I was pissed Google didn't keep the 3,000mAh battery from the G2 which the phone was based off.
My point being, all those Nexus phones were fast and easy to get, except the Nexus 4, but that was turned around by the third month. Where as the OnePlus One has been out for 3 months now, and still impossible to find, and the phone is still not available for purchase, you need this ridiculous "invite" which just blows my mind away any sane company would try to market a product this way. How bout make a website with a purchase button and shipping date, and let me buy it and get it 3 days later, not wait for some stupid invite, that just turns me away.
OPO really screwed up here, or purposely fooled everyone, not sure which is true ? How could they not know a phone with $700 flagship specs, but only selling for half that at $350 wouldn't be a smashing hit, and very hot seller ? They should have been more prepared, at least expecting this OPO to sell like a Nexus phone, quantity wise. I think they had 120,000 forum members at launch, that were all wiling to buy the phone, but only originally released like 5,000 phones at launch, and then like 7,000 later, and several thousand more, but WTF that's extremely low quantities, a joke actually.
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drakester09 said:
Plus I doubt that Nexus 6 will have 805...
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I bet it does.
Everyone says this every year about the upcoming Nexus, no way it will have flagship hardware at the cheap price they sell the Nexus phones. But every year it does.
Last year everyone expected the Nexus 5 to have the Snapdragon 600, to match the then flagships; Galaxy S4 and HTC One M7, but the Nexus 5 came with the brand new next gen Snapdragon 800, besting those two flagships, and still selling for half their price.
My prediction for the Nexus 6;
- Announced in October / released in November
- Price of $400
- Snapdragon 805
- 3GB RAM
- 2600mAh - 2900mAh battery
- 5.2" to 5.5" Screen
- Maybe a 1440p screen, but most likely 1080p
- Made by either; Asus, HTC, or Sony

Should I still buy the OPO?

Hi!
Well, I got a Samsung Galaxy S4 as a gift and as much as I appreciate it, I'm not a fan of the Samsung brand because of their build quality (it improved in those 2014-end devices but I'm talking about the GS4). The GS4 is being sold by the main stores at 399€ so I'm planning to sell it for 320€/350€, buy the OnePlus One and even buy a case/skin for it.
Well, trading the GS4 for the OPO is a no brainer but I am thinking in selling the GS4, get the money and save it to spend it later on a better 2015 phone.
What should I do? Should I buy the OPO, should I buy another device or should I wait? I would buy the OPO without a doubt if it was some months before but after hearing all the confusion between OnePlus and Cyanogen, CM12s being promised to around this date and still being unreleased... Should I wait for a possible "OnePlus Two"? Should I buy a Nexus device? (I currently own a Galaxy Nexus)
I need some advice

You won't get $350 for your s4, check swappa.com for me easy place to sell and to get a realistic idea of what you'll get for yours. I've had a lot of phones and the 1+1 is far and away my favorite. Dev community is excellent, hardware is top notch, great speakers, beautiful screen, awesome battery life, it's really does everything perfectly. How long do you typically keep your devices, though? If you want to keep your next phone for more than a year, I'd say to wait and see what 2015 flagships bring.

Without a doubt if your interested, buy the phone! I've recently bought a Nexus 6 and the OPO is still one of my favorite phones of all time even compared to the Nexus 6!

xxBrun0xx said:
You won't get $350 for your s4, check swappa.com for me easy place to sell and to get a realistic idea of what you'll get for yours. I've had a lot of phones and the 1+1 is far and away my favorite. Dev community is excellent, hardware is top notch, great speakers, beautiful screen, awesome battery life, it's really does everything perfectly. How long do you typically keep your devices, though? If you want to keep your next phone for more than a year, I'd say to wait and see what 2015 flagships bring.
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Nah man, I can sell it for 350/320€ without a problem. Here in Portugal mobile contracts are rare, 95% of the population buys the phones carrier locked (which means we can only use that carrier's SIM cards in our phones) and the devices are expensive. GS4 is being sold at 399€ new in the big carriers so I can sure sell it for less 50 or 80 euros.
I have my Galaxy Nexus for almost 3 years and I don't change my devices often, maybe 3 to 4 years. I also can't spend over 500€ on a device so I don't have wallet for a HTC or a LG or a high end Samsung (even though they aren't the best price/quality choices, I'm just stating xd).
I would be sad if I bought the OnePlus One today and June or July comes and "OnePlus Two" comes at the same price, with better specs and the CM12s. But I don't also want to wait until OnePlus decides do reveal or not a new device. That's why I'm asking here, to know the thoughts of the ones who bought the OPO since they sure are better informed than me.

Definitely get it. I had motorola, samsung, nexus etc I even had the LG G3 before coming to the 1+. I love it, hands down the best phone I have owned and I wouldn't get rid of it till it is properly dead.

Rayaxe said:
I would be sad if I bought the OnePlus One today and June or July comes and "OnePlus Two" comes at the same price, with better specs and the CM12s. But I don't also want to wait until OnePlus decides do reveal or not a new device. That's why I'm asking here, to know the thoughts of the ones who bought the OPO since they sure are better informed than me.
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Well then you will be sad:
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobile-phones/oneplus-two/22384/oneplus-two-release-date-specs-rumours

EniGmA1987 said:
Well then you will be sad:
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobile-phones/oneplus-two/22384/oneplus-two-release-date-specs-rumours
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I wouldn't be sad, theres always going to be the 'next' follow up phone, even if you buy the 'newest' it doesnt take long for a successor to come along or at least the rumours. With the Oneplus One you are still getting great value for money, stable CM11S, CM12S due shortly (definitely), along with OxygenOS and lot of other custom ROMs to pick from. Not to mention the obvious like nexus-easy bootloader unlock and root.
You can also now get a OPO relatively easy, plenty of invites knocking about or just purchase directly every Tuesday. I imagine its going to be pretty hard to get hold of an invite for the Oneplus Two when its released, as I'm guessing it will be invite only for the first while, so factor that into your thoughts around waiting time/availabilty.
I've had the Galaxy S4, HTC One M8 and Nexus 5 all within the last 5 months and overall the OPO is better than them all. Theres no added bloat, no difficulty/warranty issues unlocking the bootloader, solid stock CM and as many custom ROMs as you like and the battery life is fantastic. In terms of the nexus 5, its basically a nexus 6 for those who were underwhelmed by the nexus 6, in terms of large (without being too large) screen, great battery life (non 2k screen), decent camera and very reasonable price.

Are you buying the pixel 2 ?

My pixel works fine along with my Nexus 5x and 6. With the new pixel 2 around the corner are you buying it? I hate to be the stereotypical American who consumes in excess and buys things they don't need but I know ill resist for a month or 2 then cave in.

mikeprius said:
My pixel works fine along with my Nexus 5x and 6. With the new pixel 2 around the corner are you buying it? I hate to be the stereotypical American who consumes in excess and buys things they don't need but I know ill resist for a month or 2 then cave in.
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I'm getting sucked into reading the stories about the pixel 2. If I was practical, it would be hard to justify a new phone. What new features do I need that won't come from a software update? I do wish I had 64 gigs. Recently had to factory reset and that got me back down to 26 gigs used.
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mikeprius said:
My pixel works fine along with my Nexus 5x and 6. With the new pixel 2 around the corner are you buying it? I hate to be the stereotypical American who consumes in excess and buys things they don't need but I know ill resist for a month or 2 then cave in.
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Of course I'm going to get it. However, there are a bunch of caveats and prerequisites in order to justify the purchase. And naturally a few different scenarios. Gift the Pixel to a family member that has a crappy S5 or any other Samsung device, sell it on Swappa, use it as a backup device in case something goes wrong with the Pixel 2 and you need to wait for a replacement, stuff like that. Personally, I'm in for the gifting and then it's justified right off the bat even though I still have a year left to pay it off. But the family member is on my VZW account so nothing it really changed in that regard. (wow, that S5 is a piece of junk, Yes, that's for all you Sammy trolls)
Then there's the price. I only paid $240 for the Pixel in the wee hours of Black Friday. I had a chance to depixel8 the device but chose not to. I had no intention of ever unlocking the bootloader or rooting so I just took the updates. I'd do the same thing here if the price were the same. Google never had a black Friday deal and I could not justify paying 7 bills since my 5x was working perfectly and still does. (running Android O beta, locked bootloader on that too) Bottom line for me is never buy it on any other day than BF and get the best price possible, locked or not. I fully expect VZW to keep the bl locked and I don't care if I can get the phone for $300 or close to it. I won't spend a nickel over $400 tax included. Since the Pixel and the XL are working so well and a lot of people are on a 2 year installment plan of sorts, I believe they will have some discounts on it during the holiday season. Just keep your eyes peeled since the deals are strictly for black Friday hours only. Come Saturday the deals are off the table.
PS I should save this post to remind myself of rational thought when the device is released.

I'm considering upgrading to a larger screen but I just switched to t-mobile and sadly Google only offers the Pixels to Verizon for resale. So unless I can get one on device payments I'll probably stick with my Pixel.

I can understand buying the Pixel over the Nexus. The Nexus always had that element that caused it to get laggy over time and stutter, but the Pixel is a massive step from the previous nexus 5x I had. All my phone are in working condition and i actually offered to loan someone whose phone stopped working my Nexus 5X.
The Pixel though hasent given me any issues. I think at the very least I'll wait until next year to buy it. It seems like the first batch of phones tend to have issues. I remember the first Pixels has that crackling speaker issue, but since this one actually works well I'll have to think about it myself. If I do maybe not until 2018

They are going to have to really nail it to get me to upgrade right away. This is a great phone.

Not sure yet, nothing wrong with this one, might wait for the pixel 3, this is just a great phone
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If it has front speakers and 600mhz TMobile band support
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bobby janow said:
Bottom line for me is never buy it on any other day than BF and get the best price possible, locked or not.
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I'd also expect the Verizon Pixel 2 to have deals during Black Friday. There are typically also good offers on carrier phones at times during November and December. I could have saved a bit by waiting longer to buy. I think the best offer in 2016 only lasted a few days.
https://slickdeals.net/f/9417827-be...-e-gift-card?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo
Many of the Verizon offers have generally trended towards bill credits recently, where you have to buy their service for two years to get the price reduction, yet the Verizon S8 had a Device Payment Plan offer last month where the financed price was reported as $300+ less than retail.
https://slickdeals.net/f/10382028-v...req-best-buy?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo

No
Probably will wait until the 3, because my 1 is still in great shape

So got to add BT headphones to the mix too. Been wanting a pair anyway, this will probably force my hand. I have Grado now and they are amazing. I don't think they make BT yet so does anyone have some that are in the 100-200 range that are just killer?

I personally don't use bluetooth. Based on the renderings, I think I'll definitely wait at least for a bit. If it turns out to be just the Pixel with a few enhancements then it will be easier to pass. I was hoping for front facing speakers, but dosent seem to be happening. Also they are removing the headphone jack which I like. Something minor but should start being standard.....waterproofing, hopefully this new one is officially water resistant/proof.
It looks like they will have several versions or atleast 2 which is good. Everthing now seems to be 5.5"+, I cannot do these jumbo sized phones, I'm probably the only one, but I don't like excessively large phones. Hence why I got the small pixel.

Pixel 2 will be 5". As for BT I'd like to get rid of the cord if fidelity is as good. Waterproofing is not minor! Lol. That's almost a prerequisite at this point.
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I'll have to probably update this post. If Google follows the Note 8 and prices the Pixel 2 at $900+, then that's a definite "no" for getting it. Beyond unacceptable. I'll keep the phones I have or switch to a GSM carrier and buy a One Plus.
When you throw in taxes and optional insurance, you are looking at a total over $1000

imma skip to the pixel 3. it's not worth it considering how good the pixel/pixel xl are to date

I was but it doesn't have band 71
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i just got pixel by selling oneplus 3 and i am quite happy. don't need a new phone for some time.

No LTE band 71 for Tmobile 600 mhz. Not good Google
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/08/15/google-pixel-2-hit-fcc-today-reveals-ton-phone/

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/19/16335018/google-pixel-2-xl-price-colors-leak
$849 for 64GB
$949 for 128GB
Y so cheap ?

mikeprius said:
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/19/16335018/google-pixel-2-xl-price-colors-leak
$849 for 64GB
$949 for 128GB
Y so cheap ?
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Ouch! Never owned anything but a Google phone. Im starting to rethink this.

Buy OP6 or Go Pixel 3?

Should I go ahead and buy the OP6 now or wait for the Pixel 3? I rather get a phone asap since I am tired of iOS. I can get the OP6 Silk White for $560 w/ an education discount and fast shipping.
Perks of going OP6: Fast updates, close to stock Android, mild water resistance, high end specs, affordable price, state of the art phone, works w/ T-Mobile Band 71, and will be reliable for 2-3 years from now.
Perks of going Pixel 3: Pure Android, best camera on the market in all likelihood, good enough high end specs, 3D Facial Recognition (rumored), minimal bezels w/o notch, T-Mobile could subsidize half the cost of the phone, and it could come with a 2 year warranty as well.
Thoughts?

I ordered the silk white but will sell it and wait for the P3. This is only because of the size. I'm using a P1 now and love the size so 5.3" sounds appealing. If the OP6 had one handed mode I'd be tempted to open the box.

don't you care about how small the Pixel 3 is? cus the Pixel 3XL will have an ugly giant notch and giant chin

I would grab the OnePlus 6. Pixel won't be out until October or November and the 128gb model might cost $900-$1000.
For me having the OnePlus 6 with 256gb for $200-250 less is great.

Buy now and take care of it. Lose about 20ish dollars a month. That's what I'm doing

Google phone became a total waste, complete trash after they removed audio jack 3.5, which is absolute deal breaker.
On top of it, Google phones after nexus6 are ugly as f...uck. Those HUGE bezels, retarded glass insert on the back, stupid dual speakers on the front, are not acceptable at all.
I don't understand Google seo, why they hired those completely incompetent designers.
Shame on you Google for selling garbage hardware.

Get the OP and see what the Pixel has to offer later.

Pixel 3 looks disgusting

Google is due for a stupid move. They've been holding off on really stupid features so far, they're most likely going to succumb and start wasting $400 on the MSRP on some stupid ass gimmick no one ever asked for. OnePlus 6 unquestionably.

It depends, the pixel 3 will mostly have the best camera and software support for up to the years.

OnePlus 6T
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OnePlus 6T
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I don't like the idea of the T series as they will have the Soc (SD845) at the end of it's cycle and the next SoC is just a couple months away. So you're always just buying tech that is about to be replaced while I can enjoy that new tech in the regular models for a full year.
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lol sorry, Buy the OP6. Why waste all that extra cash on the pixel when you won't get better performance and marginally better camera?

Eric214 said:
I don't like the idea of the T series as they will have the Soc (SD845) at the end of it's cycle and the next SoC is just a couple months away. So you're always just buying tech that is about to be replaced while I can enjoy that new tech in the regular models for a full year.
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But if you buy it at the end of the year it will be more refined and perfected.
I understand your point, but the sd845 is a very good SOC. And the OP6t is going to have more dev support quicker and for years to come. Besides it's still going to cost hundreds less than a Pixel 3 XL and the P3xl notch is the size of Tennessee.
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Question Upgrading to z flip 4?

Hi guys!
Just wondering what are your thoughts on upgrading to the z flip 4?
All the beans have been spilled on the specs and design already. So we pretty much know what will be offered by Samsung.
So, are you guys excited for it? Upgrade is a must? Or is it just mehhhh.....
On my side, I have no interest in upgrading. I'm still astonished that the cameras will be the same... I find no reason to upgrade. Only positive I find is the little bit bigger battery, nothing else.
So, what's your thoughts??

No, it's not worth it for me, I'd have to pay off my existing contact first (£455) and from what I've been reading there's nothing really ground breaking about it.

Most likely I will go to Fold4 ...

Far away from beeing rich enough lol

No way I'd upgrade, this phone is working great for me. Also once the warranty is up, i'll start to flash GSI's etc.

Just got my Flip 3, and with trade in value, plus $100 pre-registration bonus from Samsung... if the price for the 4 is right, I'll upgrade. I've only had the 3 for a short time, and while I like it, not having dex is actually a bigger deal than I thought it would be. I really do like to use it.

nothing to upgrade for

Beings I'm paying $30 a month for this AT&T Next Up deal where you can get a new phone every year I see no real reason why not to! I dont see anything better coming out in the near future! 12 x $30 = $360 I paid for the Flip 3, I think I got my moneys worth! Only thing sucks is that I'll probally have to buy another case for it but oh well! Might just wait till Black Friday (November) though and see if Sams Club (or Best Buy or somewhere) will offer a $600 in store gift certificate to upgrade like they used to before all the Covid crap started and I'll really come out on top! Free phone for a year plus a little extra cash to go with it wont hurt my feelings!! I used to play that game every year!! LOL!

Well it doesnt look like that AT&T Next Up deal wasnt quite the deal I thought it was after all. Seems you must have to have the phone half paid off as I had to fork out and extra $200 plus $60 in taxes. I've been wanting the Flip 4 and a little better battery life cant hurt so I went ahead and did it and and with the trade in deal their giving me the 256gb model and a free case, I guess that makes it a wee bit better, but $500+ for phone rental per year Im not quite too sure! Sounds like I need to pay cash when buying new and get the big trade in or go back to buying used models on Craiglist like I used to do back in the day! I also bought a Galaxy Watch 4 Classic 46mm from Samsung refurfished on Ebay for $209 recently (which turned out to be brand new from the best I can tell) so that makes it a bit better also! Oh well, like my old man used to tell me "you only live once!"!!!

Not worth the upgrade, it hasn't received changes at all, it's almost a copy of the Flip 3, but with a little bit better internals. The upgraded processor? You don't really need it, the 888 is already quite a powerful processor, the battery? Quite an upgrade, I must admit, plus the new adaptive 1-120hz display, it must have a good battery life. The camera? The photos on the Flip 3 are already great, and even better with gcam. Would I pay ~500€ for just a better battery? (Considering I'm trading in my Flip 3)
Absolutely not.

HDCowboy said:
Well it doesnt look like that AT&T Next Up deal wasnt quite the deal I thought it was after all. Seems you must have to have the phone half paid off as I had to fork out and extra $200 plus $60 in taxes. I've been wanting the Flip 4 and a little better battery life cant hurt so I went ahead and did it and and with the trade in deal their giving me the 256gb model and a free case, I guess that makes it a wee bit better, but $500+ for phone rental per year Im not quite too sure! Sounds like I need to pay cash when buying new and get the big trade in or go back to buying used models on Craiglist like I used to do back in the day! I also bought a Galaxy Watch 4 Classic 46mm from Samsung refurfished on Ebay for $209 recently (which turned out to be brand new from the best I can tell) so that makes it a bit better also! Oh well, like my old man used to tell me "you only live once!"!!!
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Hi!
When you get the flip 4, give a update here, was the upgrade + cash spent worth it.
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When you get the flip 4, give a update here, was the upgrade + cash spent worth it.
Thanks!
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Well I lost the money I spent on the Flip 3 rental (but taken into account I'm getting the 256gb model for the price of a 128gb and a free case plus just got a Galaxy Watch 4 Classic for basically half off makes it a little better) but regardless I just got a tracking number for the Flip 4, its supposed to be here tomorrow. Oh and BTW, we have a whole section here devoted to the Flip 4, looks like quite a few folks done got thiers...........
Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 4
The Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 4 is a 6.7" device, with a 1080x2640 foldable display, and a 260x512 external cover display. It's powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 chipset, which is paired with 8GB RAM and 128/256/512GB of storage. The primary camera features a 12+12MP, and a 10MP seflie...
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Another interesting option that might be worth considering.........

I got to play with the Z Flip 4 yesterday at a T-Mobile store. They had it on display even though they're not shipping or in stock yet. Although the phone has been upgraded, performance-wise, I couldn't tell the difference between it and my Z Flip 3. Nothing stuck out about it or grabbed me to make me feel I have to upgrade. The phone is physically a little more streamlined but overall it's probably not worth upgrading from the Z Flip 3 unless you're getting the Z Flip 4 for free or at a drastically reduced price (Samsung and some of the carriers have good trade-in deals right now).
I'm gonna wait to see if the RAZR 2022 ever comes to the US and, if so, if my carrier will offer similar trade-in deals. If so, I'll get the RAZR 2022. I had the RAZR 5G and absolutely loved the external screen. I traded it in for the Z Flip 3 because the Z Flip 3 blew away the RAZR 5G on paper (the specs) and I got the Z Flip 3 for free with the trade-in but I immediately started missing that big external screen on the RAZR 5G. I used the RAZR's external screen just as much or maybe even more than the main screen. Even though there are now 3rd party apps to make the Z Flip 3 external screen more functional, the screen is just too small for me to use a lot - I'm still opening my Z Flip 3 for just about everything. The new RAZR 2022 is a massive upgrade over the RAZR 5G and the specs rival the ZFlip 4 but the bigger and much more functional external screen on the RAZR 2022 is the game changer for me.

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I got to play with the Z Flip 4 yesterday at a T-Mobile store. They had it on display even though they're not shipping or in stock yet. Although the phone has been upgraded, performance-wise, I couldn't tell the difference between it and my Z Flip 3. Nothing stuck out about it or grabbed me to make me feel I have to upgrade. The phone is physically a little more streamlined but overall it's probably not worth upgrading from the Z Flip 3 unless you're getting the Z Flip 4 for free or at a drastically reduced price (Samsung and some of the carriers have good trade-in deals right now).
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Yeah I received mine yesterday and felt the same way, loaded up all my old apps and did everything except swaped sim cards and it pretty much felt the same in hand although I'm sure the upgraded battery will make things even better, allthough I'm not a power user and only had problems running down the battery just a relatively few times. Of course I had everything set up to save battery since I had the phone and always had a charger nearby for those just in case days!
Started crunching the numbers again yesterday evening and this morning and thinking about whether it was really going to be worth it, and with the AT&T Next Up deal where I had to have my 256gb Flip 3 half paid off ($1050/2 = $525) and give it back and then start making payments all over again on the Flip 4 (29.17 a month for 3 years =$1050.12) for a total of $1575 and it was absolutely not! I decided to return it to the AT&T store this morning and I'm going to go ahead and pay the Flip 3 off and go with the Samsung deal and trade in my yr old Flip3 plus $200 for the Flip4.
Will that be worth it? I figure with the extra battery life and better processor for $200 plus my old Flip 3 as a trade in it dang sure well ought to be especially if you're one of those who always has the urge for the latest and greatest! I do have to admit that new Razr sure does seem cool, but I've been using Samsung products for so many years and think I'll stick with them! Competition in the market for this new generation of flip phones is always a good thing though!
UPDATE: Boy they are quick, I ordered it a little before lunch this morning (Wednesday) and by this afternoon it was already in the mail and supposed to be here by Friday!

Got mine today. Samsung has a great trade-in program. You get a new 4, and I got $700 for my Flip 3 trade. So a little over $300 for a faster processor, and much larger battery. Easy choice.
I've read all the reviews, but I think the 4's crease is a little less deep than the 3. I feel it less. Otherwise I'm waiting to see how good this battery really is, as that was really my only complaint about the 3.
You can de-bloat it in minutes with ADB AppControl, kudos to those guys - removed or disabled over 140 bloatware apps Samsung installs. Which also works when updates come, the apps - and that stupid bixby and Samsung store/pay/AR crap stays disabled.
If I remember in a month I'll post back up with some further info.

I got my Z Flip 4 (unlocked) yesterday (8/29) from the pre-order deal. I have the Z Flip 3 (unlocked) already but the upgrade deal was too good to pass up. They offered me a $900 trade-in credit for the 3 plus an additional $60 off and a $100 Samsung Store credit. Cash out of pocket for the 4 was just $140 + sales tax. At that price I would have taken a new 3 just for a fresh battery & warranty! It sort of feels like that's what I did anyway. The 4 is virtually identical to the 3 in size and shape - so much so that the Samsung thin carbon fibre case from the 3 fits the 4 and the cutouts fit perfectly. The viewable area of the cover screen still fits in the case cutout.
I know that there a bunch of feature improvements and a bigger battery which I'll come to appreciate as time goes by but for now I'd have to say I'd be disappointed if I'd paid a lot more for the upgrade. Apparently Samsung knew this which is why they made the upgrade dirt cheap. If you don't have a 3 and are thinking about the 4, by all means go for it. It's a terrific phone. I loved the 3 and the 4 is even better.

I have disappointed myself... i went against my thoughts and beliefs.
I upgraded to the z flip 4
But! To make myself feel better, I have convinced myself that I got a good deal (swapped my flip 3 + 150€ to the flip 4).
And I got to say, the flip 4 feels good! Feels better built, the screen is brighter, screen protector feels smoother, snapdragon feels snappier and the closing of the phone feels more satisfying
The biggest upgrade I have felt is the battery. With the flip 3 I barely got through a day, sometimes had to recharge. But, with the flip 4 I go to sleep with 30-40% of battery.
So, my recommendation, if you get a GREAT deal on the flip 4, go for it. If not, flip 3 will get you through the next year to the flip 5, which should be a substantial upgrade.

I don't think it's necessary

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