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Hey guys,
My moto G display broke recently so I'm looking for a new phone. I am trying to decide between zenfone 2 and Mi4i.
I'm worried about the heating issues in Mi4i. Is the heating really bad? I'm not a hardcore gamer, I do play some small games when I get bored. Do you think this phone is a good buy?
I will mainly be using this phone for web browsing on 3G and making calls.
Any input is appreciated.
talk2rp said:
Hey guys,
My moto G display broke recently so I'm looking for a new phone. I am trying to decide between zenfone 2 and Mi4i.
I'm worried about the heating issues in Mi4i. Is the heating really bad? I'm not a hardcore gamer, I do play some small games when I get bored. Do you think this phone is a good buy?
I will mainly be using this phone for web browsing on 3G and making calls.
Any input is appreciated.
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Hi! Processors are getting stronger and fast day by day and all processors produces heat when in constant heavy use. If you play graphic heavy games then current generation of smartphones do heat up but this is not a big issue.
MI 4i is a good phone best in its category of smartphones. You can go ahead and purchase this little dragon it does heat up a little (every smartphone does) when you play heavy games for more than 30 mins. In general games or tasks temperature is normal. :good:
jugpapa said:
Hi! Processors are getting stronger and fast day by day and all processors produces heat when in constant heavy use. If you play graphic heavy games then current generation of smartphones do heat up but this is not a big issue.
MI 4i is a good phone best in its category of smartphones. You can go ahead and purchase this little dragon it does heat up a little (every smartphone does) when you play heavy games for more than 30 mins. In general games or tasks temperature is normal. :good:
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Do you have this phone? I understand the heating up is normal under heavy usage and gaming, but I looked at few video reviews and phone immediately heats up after 5 minutes of internet browsing. I think this is not acceptable.
There was another video comparing Mi 4i with other phones and after running a benchmark the phone heat up to 59-60 degrees. Isn't that too much for a phone?
Mi4i
I have been using mi4i for 3 days now. Actually the phone doesn't heat up much under Normal usage. I have been using WiFi, browsing and playing some online games, it gets a little warm like any other phone.
It did heat up when I was setting up the phone, that is transferring the contents from my old phone to mi4i via Bluetooth , downloading and updating apps(WiFi),charging the phone, and playing clash of clan's.
In my opinion mi4i is a better choice if you are not a hardcore mobile gamer and if you want something compact in your hands.
If you love playing high graphics games then zenfone 2 would be a better choice.
Do note, however, that xmodgames does not support Intel-based processors at the moment. So if you use this particular app, zenfone 2 won't do.
derrick28 said:
I have been using mi4i for 3 days now. Actually the phone doesn't heat up much under Normal usage. I have been using WiFi, browsing and playing some online games, it gets a little warm like any other phone.
It did heat up when I was setting up the phone, that is transferring the contents from my old phone to mi4i via Bluetooth , downloading and updating apps(WiFi),charging the phone, and playing clash of clan's.
In my opinion mi4i is a better choice if you are not a hardcore mobile gamer and if you want something compact in your hands.
If you love playing high graphics games then zenfone 2 would be a better choice.
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talk2rp said:
Hey guys,
My moto G display broke recently so I'm looking for a new phone. I am trying to decide between zenfone 2 and Mi4i.
I'm worried about the heating issues in Mi4i. Is the heating really bad? I'm not a hardcore gamer, I do play some small games when I get bored. Do you think this phone is a good buy?
I will mainly be using this phone for web browsing on 3G and making calls.
Any input is appreciated.
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I was in the same state as you are - broke my Moto G display, waiting for the zenfone 2 and thats when this device comes up... bought it on the first sale itself...
My primary reason for opting Mi4i was the compact build, I did not want the 5.5 inches that Zenfone 2 and other phones provided (though zenfone 2 launched with a 5 inch model, the specs let that one down)
Right now, I am impressed by the light weight design and slim form factor of the phone... the display is awesome, sunlight legibility works as advertised ... the battery gives me a full day backup with wifi, gps, data switched on and syncing 4 emails, whatsapp, FB...
Now to the heating issue - my Moto G and my HTC Legend heated up when used extensively, I believe it happens in all devices when used for a long time, especially when charging at the same time or doing lots of multitasking... But of course, both the SD 615 and the 810 from Qualcomm have been in the news for the heating issue...
In my personal experience, the device heated up extensively only once - right out of the box, when setting up, syncing and downloading the new version were going on at the same time... With the new update, I don't feel it has ever heated up to the extent shown in youtube videos... But then I have not played any graphics intensive games on it, my typical usage is calls, messages, browsing, bluetooth when driving, reddit, whatsapp, emails, hotspot occassionally...
jaboneros said:
Do note, however, that xmodgames does not support Intel-based processors at the moment. So if you use this particular app, zenfone 2 won't do.
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I'm not a fan on gaming in mobile phones. I like games on big screen.
jahadmajeed said:
I was in the same state as you are - broke my Moto G display, waiting for the zenfone 2 and thats when this device comes up... bought it on the first sale itself...
My primary reason for opting Mi4i was the compact build, I did not want the 5.5 inches that Zenfone 2 and other phones provided (though zenfone 2 launched with a 5 inch model, the specs let that one down)
Right now, I am impressed by the light weight design and slim form factor of the phone... the display is awesome, sunlight legibility works as advertised ... the battery gives me a full day backup with wifi, gps, data switched on and syncing 4 emails, whatsapp, FB...
Now to the heating issue - my Moto G and my HTC Legend heated up when used extensively, I believe it happens in all devices when used for a long time, especially when charging at the same time or doing lots of multitasking... But of course, both the SD 615 and the 810 from Qualcomm have been in the news for the heating issue...
In my personal experience, the device heated up extensively only once - right out of the box, when setting up, syncing and downloading the new version were going on at the same time... With the new update, I don't feel it has ever heated up to the extent shown in youtube videos... But then I have not played any graphics intensive games on it, my typical usage is calls, messages, browsing, bluetooth when driving, reddit, whatsapp, emails, hotspot occassionally...
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Thank you so much for such an informative post. Even I'm not a big fan of phablets, but due to the heating fact I was looking for alternatives and zenfone was the only one I could find to match my needs.
Thanks for all your replies guys. It really helped me decide. I'm fixed on Mi 4i now. My colleague has already placed an order for zenfone 2, so I'll wait to get my hands on it and then I'll place my order.
Nope not much heat...Not as much as Redmi1s
I have also purchased it. Haven't got it yet. But as for the heat issues, even my nexus 5 heat up when I install a new rom; every time.
talk2rp said:
Hey guys,
My moto G display broke recently so I'm looking for a new phone. I am trying to decide between zenfone 2 and Mi4i.
I'm worried about the heating issues in Mi4i. Is the heating really bad? I'm not a hardcore gamer, I do play some small games when I get bored. Do you think this phone is a good buy?
I will mainly be using this phone for web browsing on 3G and making calls.
Any input is appreciated.
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personal advice--
if u r not much into development, go for Zenfone 2. U will never regret.
heating is for real in mi4i. people may state there love for mi4i coz they have spent money, but zenfone is more value for money.
just my thought. I bought mi4i in the 1st sale. it does not even have a gorilla glass.
raviprakashji said:
personal advice--
if u r not much into development, go for Zenfone 2. U will never regret.
heating is for real in mi4i. people may state there love for mi4i coz they have spent money, but zenfone is more value for money.
just my thought. I bought mi4i in the 1st sale. it does not even have a gorilla glass.
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On the contratry, the Mi 4i has the same level of scratch protection as Gorilla Glass, only, it is not 'called' Gorilla Glass. It is a newer technology called Concore glass. It is the same protection used for OGS displays like in Mi 4 and is slimmer than Gorilla Glass and according to Corning, provides the same level of toughness. There's also a thread on Miui's website explaining the newer display technology. Most people don't see the "Gorilla glass branding" so assume it doesn't have a tough screen.
While the Zenfone 2 is a decent phone for a more stock-like android experience, the Mi 4i offers more value for money. The Zenfone 2 takes better night photos and comes with a micro SD card slot, but the Mi 4i has 4G LTE in both its sim cards, faster CPU throughput per thread, has a better camera in the day (also the HDR mode in Zenfone 2 is over-aggressive and creates visible outlines that ruins most photos), larger and newer 4.4V high density battery technology, better screen and better outdoor visibility, in an much lighter and compact build. Zenfone 2 is larger; much, much bulkier and the screen smudges easily. The camera on Zenfone 2 suffers from low dynamic range and performs worse in most lighting conditions than the (Sony) sensor in Mi 4i.
As a phone, the Mi 4i is both - better built, and priced cheaper, thus having more value for money.
talk2rp said:
Hey guys,
My moto G display broke recently so I'm looking for a new phone. I am trying to decide between zenfone 2 and Mi4i.
I'm worried about the heating issues in Mi4i. Is the heating really bad? I'm not a hardcore gamer, I do play some small games when I get bored. Do you think this phone is a good buy?
I will mainly be using this phone for web browsing on 3G and making calls.
Any input is appreciated.
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I would go with the Zenfone 2 if I were a gaming freak because of the larger screen (and extra RAM if you buy the 4GB version). The Mi 4i does heat up a little more than most other phones (owing to its thinner build and the Snapdragon 615) but not so much so that it feels uncomfortable or too hot to handle. The phone maintains a consistent warmth when running benchmark apps or demanding games for long periods of time, especially when the phone is plugged into the charger. I find it interesting that most people who buy Xiaomi phones were users of budget and mid-range phones that seldom did any CPU intensive tasks. The sudden exposure of an octa-core 1.7 GHz CPU under full load will indeed cause an uninitiated person to raise concerns with their handsets dissipating all that energy. What people call "over heating" comes staple with long term use of any processor - what matters is if the constant heat bottlenecks the CPU's performance. Thankfully, I didn't face any performance bottlenecks in the two weeks of rigorous usage of the Mi 4i.
stivinnaura said:
On the contratry, the Mi 4i has the same level of scratch protection as Gorilla Glass, only, it is not 'called' Gorilla Glass. It is a newer technology called Concore glass. It is the same protection used for OGS displays like in Mi 4 and is slimmer than Gorilla Glass and according to Corning, provides the same level of toughness. There's also a thread on Miui's website explaining the newer display technology. Most people don't see the "Gorilla glass branding" so assume it doesn't have a tough screen.
While the Zenfone 2 is a decent phone for a more stock-like android experience, the Mi 4i offers more value for money. The Zenfone 2 takes better night photos and comes with a micro SD card slot, but the Mi 4i has 4G LTE in both its sim cards, faster CPU throughput per thread, has a better camera in the day (also the HDR mode in Zenfone 2 is over-aggressive and creates visible outlines that ruins most photos), larger and newer 4.4V high density battery technology, better screen and better outdoor visibility, in an much lighter and compact build. Zenfone 2 is larger; much, much bulkier and the screen smudges easily. The camera on Zenfone 2 suffers from low dynamic range and performs worse in most lighting conditions than the (Sony) sensor in Mi 4i.
As a phone, the Mi 4i is both - better built, and priced cheaper, thus having more value for money.
I would go with the Zenfone 2 if I were a gaming freak because of the larger screen (and extra RAM if you buy the 4GB version). The Mi 4i does heat up a little more than most other phones (owing to its thinner build and the Snapdragon 615) but not so much so that it feels uncomfortable or too hot to handle. The phone maintains a consistent warmth when running benchmark apps or demanding games for long periods of time, especially when the phone is plugged into the charger. I find it interesting that most people who buy Xiaomi phones were users of budget and mid-range phones that seldom did any CPU intensive tasks. The sudden exposure of an octa-core 1.7 GHz CPU under full load will indeed cause an uninitiated person to raise concerns with their handsets dissipating all that energy. What people call "over heating" comes staple with long term use of any processor - what matters is if the constant heat bottlenecks the CPU's performance. Thankfully, I didn't face any performance bottlenecks in the two weeks of rigorous usage of the Mi 4i.
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It's very easy to show configurations on paper. With single day low use, the OGS glass got scratches and I had to immediately initiate replacement. So don't give me the specification bull****. You will know only when u use one. You can't know just by going through paid reviews and benchmark scores. Those are just the marketing strategies. The End user is the one who has to suffer.
Calm down dude. If you feel that Gorilla glass doesn't scratch, i'll let you know that it does (even Sapphire glass shows scratches upon being mishandled). I have at my disposal the Lumia 920, Moto G (both 1st and 2nd Gen), Redmi 1s, Xperia L and few other phones with varying generations of Gorilla glass - all bearing early scratches beneath their screen guards. I also managed to get the phone in the first flash sale and used it butt-naked for 7 days, no screen protector or case. All this time, i put the phone in the same jeans pocket with the stationery i take to class, and also managed to accidentally drop it flat on marble flooring. It still looks like day 1, without any scratch on the entire phone. That, I find impressive for a phone that has from your perspective, no "Gorilla glass".
It was on the 8th day that I finally got a tempered glass. The tempered glass is now beginning to show the faintest of scratches at just the right lighting angles. I'd recommend one for you too, better safe than sorry.
I've been on xda for quite some time and I don't blame you for being skeptical therefore I attached a pic of my phone in case you think I didn't speak from experience.
Hi All,
Today i got my New Mi 4i phone through flipkart below are the initial issues i found .
Heating issue
1. While charging the phone
2. While taking long calls more than 15 mins.
3. While watching videos in youtube.
4. while taking photos / video
Awaiting for xiaomi to provide update to fix this issue.
raviprakashji said:
personal advice--
if u r not much into development, go for Zenfone 2. U will never regret.
heating is for real in mi4i. people may state there love for mi4i coz they have spent money, but zenfone is more value for money.
just my thought. I bought mi4i in the 1st sale. it does not even have a gorilla glass.
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That's actually a very bad idea. If you are into developement, I wouldn't recommend any Intel based phone. Unity 3d doesn't recorgine Intel phones. You'll end up building apk and manually copying it over to your phone every time you want to test.
Kumar281 said:
Hi All,
Today i got my New Mi 4i phone through flipkart below are the initial issues i found .
Heating issue
1. While charging the phone
2. While taking long calls more than 15 mins.
3. While watching videos in youtube.
4. while taking photos / video
Awaiting for xiaomi to provide update to fix this issue.
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Thanks mate. I finally made my decision. If so many users are comaplaining,there is definitely something wrong with this phone.
Change of plan. I'll go for a cheap refurbished nexus for now. Later when there are better phones I'll think about buying.
Thanks for all your help.
PS: heating is a hardware issue and can't be fixed with software update!
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Kumar281 said:
Hi All,
Today i got my New Mi 4i phone through flipkart below are the initial issues i found .
Heating issue
1. While charging the phone
2. While taking long calls more than 15 mins.
3. While watching videos in youtube.
4. while taking photos / video
Awaiting for xiaomi to provide update to fix this issue.
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After unboxing the phone, have you updated to V6.5.3.0?
And there's a new update V6.5.4.0 available since yesterday ... hope you will comment again after updating, and let us know your experience...
jahadmajeed said:
After unboxing the phone, have you updated to V6.5.3.0?
And there's a new update V6.5.4.0 available since yesterday ... hope you will comment again after updating, and let us know your experience...
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Yesterday Night i have updated to V6.5.3.0 , i will check the update for couple of days.
Today I checked , i could not see the new updates - V6.5.4.0 ? , Please confirm is it released
Kumar281 said:
Hi All,
Today i got my New Mi 4i phone through flipkart below are the initial issues i found .
Heating issue
1. While charging the phone
2. While taking long calls more than 15 mins.
3. While watching videos in youtube.
4. while taking photos / video
Awaiting for xiaomi to provide update to fix this issue.
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Try to update the device with new Update...all is solved...
EDIT September 17 2015: ATTENTION!
Don't buy this phone unless you get it almost for free.
My initial review of the X9, which is no longer valid, comes first in the text below.
See the edits at the end for details.
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iocean X9
This review is based on my experience with one of the first regular production samples of the iOcean X9. It is not supposed to be a pre-production sample, but in some ways it behaves like that. The Android 4.4.4 it came with isn’t ready developed for the hardware and it probably never will be. I guess that the company is concentrating on developing the Lollipop rom for it instead. I suspect that iOcean were in a hurry to get this phone on the market and pushed it out too early on an unfinished Kitkat, instead of waiting for a well working Lollipop. It’s a pity because this phone has a lot of potential and deserves a better rom!
Firmware version: X9_20150608-192523
Despite the buggy Kitkat rom I have done many tests and made many observations in the phone. I could rewrite my notes to a regular short review in a wordier format, but in order to be able to come back here and add more information later on, I keep the text in a notelike form. Refer to the edits at the end of this post for updates. I attach some screen dumps of some of the tests I have done. More screen dumps and links to camera test photos etc. will probably come in a later edit.
NOTE:
There will be a part 2 of this review as soon as I have a final release LP rom in the phone. It’s not really fair to review it entirely on a buggy KK or LP Beta.
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Specs:
5.0” LCD, 1920 x 1080 pixels FHD screen
CPU: MTK6752 Octa Core, 1.7GHz; GPU: Mali-T760
Android 4.4.4 OS (will get Android 5.x soon)
3GB RAM + 16GB ROM
Dual SIM card, dual standby, micro SIM slot + nano SIM slot
Front camera 5 MP, back camera 13 MP with flashlight and auto focus
Support FDD+TDD LTE/4G/3G/GPS/Wifi/Bluetooth/Miracast/OTG
Networking:
2G: GSM BAND 850/900/1800/1900
3G: TD-SCDMA BAND 1900/2100, WCDMA BAND 900/1900/2100
4G: FDD-LTE BAND 800/1800/2600, TDD-LTE BAND 1800/2300/2600
Design
This phone is thin. Very thin! 6.6 mm in my measurement (specs say 6.5 mm). It also feels very solid and a bit heavy despite the thinness (or maybe due to?). The weight is 145 g (specs say 140 g) but I think it feels heavier, in a good way. The design is very nice. It looks like a tall and very slim iPhone 4. The build quality and the quality feel is very high for the price, but a little bit lower then in a Huawei P8 for example. The texture of the metal frame and the opening for the speaker on the backside don’t give that premium feeling you could wish for. Also the buttons feels a little bit below premium. But for the price the quality feel is really excellent. The power button is in the middle on the right side, below the volume rocker. I don’t like this position as it’s too easy to accidentally switch on or off the phone just by holding it, but it seems standard in many new phones now.
Screen
The screen is excellent. It’s rather bright and vivid and it has good viewing angles. Generally I think that FHD is a bit overkill on a 5” screen. 1280 x 720 pixels is enough “retina” on a 5” screen and a good HD screen is better than a not so good FHD screen, but this is a really good FHD screen. I honestly didn’t expect that for the price.
Cameras
The main camera has a 13 MP Sony Exmor RS IMX214 sensor, which is a well-known and acclaimed sensor that is used in for example Xiaomi Mi4, OnePlus One and Vivo XShot. The camera is excellent and works very well even in low-light. It starts fast, focuses fast, has high sensitivity, little colour crosstalk and most of all the HDR function is really fast (important if you can’t hold the camera really still, or for moving objects). That’s all very rare in Chinese phones no matter what price range they are in. In fact this is the best camera I have ever seen in any Chinese phone (I haven't tried the ones in OnePlus One and Vivo XShot myself). The only little problem I had with the camera is to lock the focus on a certain object in the view by tapping on the screen and get the focus to stay there until I have time to make the shot. Probably that is software related.
The front camera is a Chinese 5 MP OmniVision OV5648. It’s also quite good and it’s even capable of capturing 720p HD video at 60 fps and 1080p HD video at 30 fps.
Performance
The phone is fast, but not as fast as I thought it would be, maybe due to the buggy rom. I get a score of ~37000 in AnTuTu 5.7.1. In Geekbench 3 I get ~4000 in multi-core score, which is almost twice as much as in the MT6732 devices. But as they say in the AnTuTu test, ”many apps only can use one core”, and the single-core score is 810, which is only ~10% better than in a MT6732. In Basemark OS II I get an overall score of 854, which is ~+50% faster than a FHD MT6592 device on Kitkat. In the graphics benchmark in Epic Citadel I get ~40 fps in average in Ultra High Quality mode.
However, the phone is running a buggy 32-bit Kitkat on a 64-bit SoC and I expect the performance to go up a bit once iOcean has put out a final release Lollipop upgrade for it.
Web browsing is fast and the Sunspider 1.0.2 test finishes in ~910 ms in Chrome and ~780 ms in the stock browser (yes the old stock browser is faster than Chrome). The MT6752 seems to be only ~10-15% faster in the Sunspider test than a MT6732, which corresponds to the +10% better single-core score in Geekbench 3. As a reference, my reference phone, an iPhone 6, only need ~330 ms to finish the sunspider test.
Network
4G LTE is really very fast in this phone and I didn’t know how fast download speeds my 4G network was capable of until I got this phone. The phone must have high sensitivity and a really fast 4G modem. Probably it’s true as they say in the specs that it can handle download speeds up to 150 Mb/s. I get over 100 Mb/s down and 27 Mb/s up. In comparison the up speed is a bit low, but that's probably limited by the network, since I only get a few percent higher up speed in my reference phone (and a lot lower down speed at the same time).
WiFi
The wifi has good sensitivity and it measures almost the same signal level in average in WiFi Analyzer as my reference in that, an 8” Xiaomi MiPad (tabs can have much larger antennas). Even on a very remote wifi the X9 and the tab measures the same signal level.
GPS
The GPS is also excellent. It locks in fast and I have never seen so many satellites in view and in use in GPS Test before. In my tests outside my house it sees 21 satellites and use 20, with a 3D fix accuracy of 1 m.
Battery
The battery run time is actually quite good, despite the relatively low capacity battery (2050 mAh), FHD screen and 8-core CPU. It manages to stand the Geekbench 3 battery test for 5 h and 10 min, with a battery score of 3100. The run time and score will definitely increase after a few charges, but already the runtime and score is ~50% better than an iPhone 6 (sorry for the iPhone references but it makes sense I think).
Sound
The sound quality in phone calls is really good and the volume is more than enough. The built in speaker on the backside is useless for music (as usual in phones), but good for phone calls. Also here the maximum volume is more then enough in an office environment. The sound quality in high quality earphones is very high, provided that you switch off the BesSurround function which is on by default. The sound volume is more than enough in good earphones (high sensitivity).
Root
The phone comes unrooted, but it becomes rooted with just a switch in Settings -> Security -> Superuser. In the Superuser setting you can control which apps you have given superuser privileges to. Basically it works in much the same way as SuperSU. Brilliant! Reason enough to buy the phone just for that as soon as it comes with a LP rom. Also there is no bloatware at all installed.
Launcher
The launcher is the CyanogenMod Trebuchet. I’m not sure how and why it ended up in this phone because the phone is not on CM and unlike in CM the launcher can’t be configured in any way in this phone, except the scroll effect between desktop screens, but not between drawer screens. The launcher works well but it’s a waste of a nice FHD screen to only have 5 rows and 4 columns of icons on the desktop and in the drawer and not be able to change that. Hopefully there will be a better launcher in the Lollipop rom.
Dual SIM?
The phone is a dual SIM and dual standby phone, but that's only partly true since one sim slot is a combined SIM/SD slot. Users have to choose between dual SIM standby or single SIM and extended memory, and with only 16 GB storage I would classify this phone as single SIM.
To be continued…
__________EDIT_1___________
I have received an email from an iocean representatve saying:
This problems should be related to the ROM. We have a new ROM update (for 4.4 software) that should be able to solve the problems of your iocean X9. We have already released the iocean X9 Beta version of android 5.1, and we should have a new update for it soon.
Please find below the iocean X9 update link. You can download it and upgrade the ROM, this needs to be done through PC.
https://mega.co.nz/#!fp9HwKDA!T2mqzWsAOaNSWGLomRqMEmNXnE_zuTY9tSweTZRsdSA
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I have flashed the rom in the link above and it brought the firmware in my phone from version X9_20150608-192523 to X9_20150624-143035.
However, it didn't change things much. This rom feels a little bit more stable, but the phone is still not stable. Often when I stress it with something CPU or GPU intense, the phone reboots. In the previous rom I had to force reboot it by holding the on button pressed for 10 seconds in the same situation, which might be an improvement, I'm not sure.
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I tried the Lollipop beta 20150618 with no better result than with the two previous KK roms and I start to believe that the phone has some hardware issue. I used the EngineerMode to switch on the MTKLogger and then stressed the phone to freeze two times. Then I tried to analyze the log files and figure out what's causing the stability problems. However, I'm no expert and can't really figure out what's causing the crash. The engineers at iOcean asked for the log files and they have them now. I'm currently waiting for their result.
__________EDIT_3___________
Yesterday, September 16, 4 months after I purchased this phone I got it back from "repair" from the dealer. It took 2 weeks for it to reach the dealer, and then they held it for a while before they sent it "to the factory", whatever that means. Small brands like iOcean have no factories by themselves, it's just a brand name and an office with a few employees. After the so called repair at the so called factory, the dealer got the phone back and according to themselves, their QC people took care of it and tested it before they sent it to me. All together it took 2 months for this warranty service.
However, the phone is exactly as faulty as when I sent it back for repair. It froze completely at first AnTuTu test and had to be force restarted by pressing powerbutton for 10s. The phone has an obvious hardware error but they didn't open the phone to change any components. All they did was to flash a fresh firmware to it and change the CPU governor and I/O handler. Probably in some belief that it would cool down the phone a bit and get rid of some of the overheating problems, as if that would help much when the max clock freq. still is 1.69 GHz. Changing governor, thermal policy and max clock freq. could have saved this phone from breaking when it was new maybe, but now it obviously have some hardware problem and the dealer did nothing about that when they had it.
To make things extremely much more complicated the iOcean company went bankrupt in July. The rumour has it that they will restructure the company and make a come back, but I'm not so sure. And even if they will be back it's very uncertain if they will support previously relased models at all. The X9 never got the LP firmware it was supposed to have before the company went bankrupt. Not a working KK either.
As an edit on top of this long post I add a warning to buy this phone because: 1. The KK fw it comes with is a disaster. 2. The LP Beta is a disaster. 3. iOcean went bankrupt. 4. There will probably never be an official well working KK or LP fw for this phone. 5. Even with good fw it would overheat a lot unless the clock freq. is lowered a lot.
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I have now sent this phone back for good to where I got it from. If some other misfortunate X9 owner wants to take over this thread please PM me. Otherwise I will close this thread soon. I'm through with with this device.
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thanks for review.
it answered to my question, i was thinking to buy this phone from a few weeks ago...
i wont buy it if iOcean wont release a good rom for this phone.
one question, at this moment: this phone have a notification led?
gigiunu said:
thanks for review.
it answered to my question, i was thinking to buy this phone from a few weeks ago...
i wont buy it if iOcean wont release a good rom for this phone.
one question, at this moment: this phone have a notification led?
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Yes it has a small notification led on the front. It's a beautiful phone with a lot of potential and I really hope they fix it soon, or there is something terribly wrong with just my device, but I don't think so. Let's wait and see how iOcean reacts to my complaints.
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Yes it has a small notification led on the front. It's a beautiful phone with a lot of potential and I really hope they fix it soon, or there is something terribly wrong with just my device, but I don't think so. Let's wait and see how iOcean reacts to my complaints.
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Somebody posted your review on official page of iOcean, i hope they read it and solve the problems. Right now, i'm using as regular phone Jiayu G5s, it's very good phone, but without 4G function and bad GPS... this iOcean X9 looks same but is bigger and thinner and with a good specs...
Another question, 4G can be switched from sim1 to sim2 , or sim2 slot support only 2G?
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Right now, i'm using as regular phone Jiayu G5s, it's very good phone, but without 4G function and bad GPS... this iOcean X9 looks same but is bigger and thinner and with a good specs...
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Yes I know the G5S, it's a nice iP5S design rip-off, especially with the silver and black backside, but I only have good experience with Jiayu devices. Bug free and stable but maybe a bit overpriced. I didn't know the G5S had GPS problems, but it's a 3G phone so I see why you're looking for a replacement.
Another question, 4G can be switched from sim1 to sim2 , or sim2 slot support only 2G?
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Yes you can switch the 3G/4G to any of the slots in the settings, so there's no need for physical swap. Only one can be 3G/4G at a time though.
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What a ugly launcher... it is the stock one?
Also, we're waiting your feedback about battery life, 2100mAh for an 5 inch fhd display seems to be not enough for a day, even in a normal use, with moderate talking and mobile data/wi-fi on all the time...
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What a ugly launcher... it is the stock one?
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Yes and no. The phone has the Trebuchet launcher, which has a theme chooser. It comes with 6 stock themes and in the pic I posted I was on the ugly "Sky" theme. Next time I might be in the girly "Pink" theme!
Also, we're waiting your feedback about battery life, 2100mAh for an 5 inch fhd display seems to be not enough for a day, even in a normal use, with moderate talking and mobile data/wi-fi on all the time...
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I added battery information in the original review above. Like the MT6732 SoC the MT6752 seems to be very energy efficient. In fact it seems to be even more energy efficient than the MT6732. I get 5 h and 10 m out of it in the Geekbench 3 battery test (screen on) and that value will increase for sure. In my MT6732 device with a 5" 1280x720 display and a claimed 2250 mAh battery (it's not) I get less than 4.5 h in the GB3 battery test and that phone easily lasts a day. But of course it depends on how you use your phone. Remember that an iPhone 6 only lasts ~3.5 h on a full charge in the GB3 battery test.
can you tell me where did you buy it and how much you paid for?
I was looking for it, but nowhere is in stock...
gigiunu said:
can you tell me where did you buy it and how much you paid for?
I was looking for it, but nowhere is in stock...
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You can buy here: http://www.pompmall.com/iocean-x9.html
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can you tell me where did you buy it and how much you paid for?
I was looking for it, but nowhere is in stock...
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I don't want to say how I got it at this stage, but it's an official production phone and not a pre-series phone. I know that Geekbuying had it for pre-orders before @ $249, but they seem to have pulled it off for orders now. Maybe it's not out for pre-orders any more because of the problems I'm also experiencing. I mean I'm not the only one who got one of the first regular production X9's.
At present I'm having a direct contact with iocean about the problems I'm experiencing with my phone. I'm thinking that if the problem is software related, it has something to do with the thermal management. It freezes and reboots when it gets stressed and consequently a bit hot. But of course that sounds more like a hardware problem.
It's up to you if you want to take the risk and buy it from some less known source, but make sure you get some warranty then. You have read my review so you know that it could be a fantastic phone without the freezes and reboots that I'm experiencing.
they released a BETA version of Android 5.1 for iocean X9, did you try it?
https://mega.co.nz/#!S5sTnC5B!s0v94zWHIkanhvR8ThEb59tfxO_tSngc-wh0tnBTMnU
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they released a BETA version of Android 5.1 for iocean X9, did you try it?
https://mega.co.nz/#!S5sTnC5B!s0v94zWHIkanhvR8ThEb59tfxO_tSngc-wh0tnBTMnU
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I have it but I didn't want to try it because the KK rom I have was supposed to be stable, and still it's far from stable in my phone. If I install a buggy beta I have no clue to what comes from software bugs and what comes from hardware malfunction. I might give it a spin later.
i supose it can't be worst then stock kk rom ...
Hi
Thank for the review. I've mine in hand since 2 days. I have the same rom (Firmware version: X9_20150608-192523)
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Sometimes it's getting HOT, very HOT
It tried Google map and... i was able to see the battery lowering at sight. 1% every 20sec. Very funny or not
I don't think kitkat is good with octo core managing
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All running well and fast
thin, nice
No freeze, no shutdown, all good
Phone very hot but seems battery is ok for 1 day.
I think like you about a bad kitkat rom. Hope the 5.1 will be great. At the beginning the phone was a 5.1 phone but seems they run out of time and so we have kitkat. I didn't tried the 5.1 beta rom. I'm waiting the good one.
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Hi
Thank for the review. I've mine in hand since 2 days. I have the same rom (Firmware version: X9_20150608-192523)
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Sometimes it's getting HOT, very HOT
It tried Google map and... i was able to see the battery lowering at sight. 1% every 20sec. Very funny or not.
I don't think kitkat is good with octo core managing.
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I also noticed that it gets very hot during CPU/GPU intese processes. My initial thought about the freezes I have was that there was something wrong with the thermal management in the initial KK rom. However, it didn't seem to get much better in the updated KK so now I'm not so sure.
KK works very fine in "old" MT6592 octa core devices, so I don't think that the 8 cores in MT6752 is the main problem.
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All running well and fast
thin, nice
No freeze, no shutdown, all good
Phone very hot but seems battery is ok for 1 day.
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Nice to hear that it runs smooth without app/system freezes. I suppose you flashed the updated KK in the link above then? If you did that, did you notice any difference in the heat problem? The battery is definitely good enough for a days use and more. Also, if I buy the thinnest 5" FHD phone on the market at present, I don't expect it to last much more than a day. I'm happy with the battery time.
I think like you about a bad kitkat rom. Hope the 5.1 will be great. At the beginning the phone was a 5.1 phone but seems they run out of time and so we have kitkat. I didn't tried the 5.1 beta rom. I'm waiting the good one.
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Yes, it was promoted as a LP phone when I decided to get an early one. Then they changed the specs to KK. I tried the LP Beta but it was no improvement and I don't have time to be an unpaid beta tester right now, so I went back to the 20150624 version again. Also I wanted to be on KK for the EngineerMode, MTKLogger and MTK Catcher to work like I'm used to.
Nice review
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for owners of iOcean X9: can you make some speedtest of internet connection in HSDPA (H) and HSPA+ (H+)?
Thanks.
gigiunu said:
for owners of iOcean X9: can you make some speedtest of internet connection in HSDPA (H) and HSPA+ (H+)?
Thanks.
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Yes I already did that before but I'm not sure if it makes any sense because the phone easily reaches the max speed in my network. I get 8/3 Mb/s in HSPA and 27/7 Mb/s in HSPA+ (H+). I think the 3G H+ is DC-HSPA but I can't check that easily. I should be able to get up to 32 Mb/s with DC-HSDPA in my network with good signal.
thanks for reply...
i just replaced my Jiayu G5S with an Xiaomi MI 4i black and there's no differences between them, max speed on H+ is under 7 Mbps... If i put my sim in other regulary phone i can get easily ~27 Mbps.
So, i keep an eye to this iOCEAN x9 , i like it and probabily i'll buy it when it get a good firmware.
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thanks for reply...
i just replaced my Jiayu G5S with an Xiaomi MI 4i black and there's no differences between them, max speed on H+ is under 7 Mbps... If i put my sim in other regulary phone i can get easily ~27 Mbps.
So, i keep an eye to this iOCEAN x9 , i like it and probabily i'll buy it when it get a good firmware.
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I don't think it will be long before the LP firmware will be out in official release form. A few weeks at the most. The bug-/to-do list isn't very long at the moment.
Off topic:
I had a Mi4i to test for a while and it had the WCDMA 850 and 2100 bands. The 850 band is only used in Asia as far as I know. In Europe it's 900/2100 everywhere I think. Can it be that your network has a higher speed on 900 MHz than on 2100 MHz? Then your Mi4i is partly incompatible with your network. There are probably different versions of the Mi4i for different markets. Mine was bought in Thailand and they have 850/2100. The JiaYu G5S don't have HSPA+.
I do not change phones very often. I have a redmi note 3 for about 3 years now, and I was looking for Mi 8 to launch in India for a possible upgrade. That's not likely to happen, and Redmi Note 7 is not likely to get launched in India for another month (at least). However, my phone has recently developed some issue which makes the display blank out randomly. Once blanked, it doesn't return for a few seconds (and sometimes for a few mins). Further, there is a constant earphone icon (without any earphones connected) which forces me to take all the calls on loudspeaker mode. This could be due to the recent fall (my phone has several scratches dents due to various falls from different heights), and that makes build quality an important consideration. Thus, I need to buy a new phone at the earliest.
A sale is going to start in a couple of days, which is offering Poco F1 (6/64) @ 19K and Redmi Note 6 Pro (4/64) @ 13K. I'm not much of a gamer. My primary phone usage include: browsing quora, and wi-fi hotspot from my 4G network. What I'm additionally looking for is good build quality, good battery life, and decent rear camera.
Based on the above requirement, and your experience, could you please recommend between Poco F1 and Redmi Note 6 Pro?
My two cents:
It depends on your budget and your expectations.
In my case, I bought the Redmi Note 6 Pro as a secondary phone, trying to keep the budget the lowest possible.
The battery life is amazing, the phone is snappy enough for my usage, Wi-Fi hotspot works great (in particular thanks to the Dual SIM, I have a specific SIM card specifically for data that I am tethering to my laptop), and games are okay in my standard (never playing more than 2048). Camera is decent in day light but not very good in low-light (heck its a 160€ phone!). It is also true that the 636 is starting to become old but it is still very much up to date.
The F1 is already a more flagship phone, with more ROM support and more popularity so I expect it to have support for a longer period of time from the community.
On the other side, the Note 6 Pro is starting to pick up now with more ROMs that can improve the user experience if you don't like MIUI.
Overall, if you have the budget for the F1 go for it, but if you don't feel like spending it the difference then the Note 6 Pro is also a very good choice
im just saying this:im the huge user like(instagram facebook little bit games or etc)and i got minimum 8.30 sot, maximum 12 sot(screen on time) its mean batterylife too good..if u want good camera (just try google camera,gcam.)..phone realy too good for me..im the old g4 user..u can take night shots with manual controls but note 6 hasnt..but there gcam helps u.just try gcam thats it..phone battery too good also phone not overheating,performance also too good with this price..
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Day light photos too good.But night shots not bad not good.(with stock cam)
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im just saying this:im the huge user like(instagram facebook little bit games or etc)and i got minimum 8.30 sot, maximum 12 sot(screen on time) its mean batterylife too good..if u want good camera (just try google camera,gcam.)..phone realy too good for me..im the old g4 user..u can take night shots with manual controls but note 6 hasnt..but there gcam helps u.just try gcam thats it..phone battery too good also phone not overheating,performance also too good with this price..
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Day light photos too good.But night shots not bad not good.(with stock cam)
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A little unclear, but I guess you are talking of Redmi Note 6 Pro. Right?
@BlasFamous I am in same boat - deciding which one to buy! What did you zero on? Help me decide too Thanks
mGforCe said:
@BlasFamous I am in same boat - deciding which one to buy! What did you zero on? Help me decide too Thanks
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FlipKart kind of decided it for me. Bought RMN 6Pro @ 11,700/-, whereas the Poco could be had for 18,250/-. Somehow nearly 6.5k price difference (over 50%) didn't look just vis-a-vis my requirements. Although, if you can wait (I couldn't), 7 Pro may arrive in March.
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FlipKart kind of decided it for me. Bought RMN 6Pro @ 11,700/-, whereas the Poco could be had for 18,250/-. Somehow nearly 6.5k price difference (over 50%) didn't look just vis-a-vis my requirements. Although, if you can wait (I couldn't), 7 Pro may arrive in March.
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Hmm, thanks, clear.
Am also considering Asus Zenfone Max Pro M2
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A little unclear, but I guess you are talking of Redmi Note 6 Pro. Right?
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ofcorse im talking about redmi note 6 pro..and im still using this phone.but u can wait for note 7..
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Hmm, thanks, clear.
Am also considering Asus Zenfone Max Pro M2
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In my experience, Asus phones are good initially, but somehow do not have as much longevity as Redmi (considering avg life span of 1.5 yrs for ASUS, and 2.5 yrs for MI among all my acquaintances) . MIUI updates are also more frequent, if you aren't looking for custom ROMs (I stopped using custom ROMs ever since MIUI). Also, haven't heard much good things about Max Pro's camera, though battery definitely looks impressive, and with some optimisations it should be able to provide at least 2 more hrs of SOT.
Hi
I have the xiaomi stick 4k , and also have the realme stick 4k
They have pretty much the same specs..
But the xiaomi is much better and snappier than the realme's .
But I noticed the xiaomi's wifi is weaker than the realme.
The signal bar is slightly weaker.
And when I tested both near the router and at the same location,
Xiaomi speed 325mbps download
Realme speed 450mbps download
You think Xiaomi will sort it out in the next update? Or it something that will not get fixed ? Maybe it's bad design of the antenna? But its hard to believe..
Hi all,
I noticed that my WiFi signal and cellular reception were slightly worse on my Pixel 7 compared to my older and €300 cheaper Xiaomi Mi 8 which runs the PixelExperience ROM on A12 so I made a comparison. I'm quite disappointed with my new Pixel phone when it comes to this. Also the lack of an infrared front camera for face unlocks in the dark is something I miss dearly along with the lack of a notification LED (aodNotify just doesn't feel the same & uses more battery).
Well, attached my findings. Notice that it's in dB, so logarithmic and thus quite some difference. The phones were laying next to each other and I SIM swapped, so same provider.
Anyone else experiencing this?