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There seems to be some good deals around on the 8GB model at the moment but not for the 16GB. Obviously more memory is always better - the phone it will replace is the Samsung S2 which has been memory bound, however with an SD slot in the Moto G will it actually be an issue having less onboard?
I know that Android M has ability to use SD cards for system storage and that it hasn't been released yet. This can only be a few weeks away?
At near half the price of the 16GB, is the 8GB a much better purchase?
What about the difference in RAM? 2gb better than 1.
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What about the difference in RAM? 2gb better than 1.
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Oh, I hadn't appreciated that - thanks for pointing that out....I guess it could be a bit of a dog without enough RAM?
Size does matters my friends....
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My 1GB RAM model is pretty great for the price. Battery life is fantastic, however having the low_ram flag enabled in build.prop is a bit of an issue for some apps.
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/5092b3f241
1 GB RAM vs. 2 GB RAM really does make a difference.
Initially I bought the 1 GB Moto G, as here in Germany the 2 GB version is only available with a hefty price tag via Moto Maker. Later on replaced this with a 2 GB Moto G ordered from Amazon Italy (less expensive than the 1 GB version here in Germany ).
At first glance performance is pretty much the same.
Though the 2 GB version can keep more apps in memory in the background.
With 1 GB I had sometimes the problem that Android did kill e.g. the Music player running in the background while surfing the web with Google Chrome (Chrome is a huge memory hog).
So far I didn't have such issues with the 2 GB Moto G.
Also the 2 GB version is for sure more future proof. Which is important if you are not willing to buy a new phone every 1-2 years.
My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S Plus. Which was perfectly ok for my everyday tasks since I think back in 2011 until a few weeks ago - thanks to good custom ROM support.
What made me exchange it for the Moto G in the end was the performance bottle neck caused by the lack of free memory (512 MB) and not the CPU or the rest of the hardware.
So I hope thanks to 2 GB RAM the Moto G will last me at least as long as my old Galaxy S Plus.
It doesn't really matter if you picked up a high speed SD card and use Marshmallow. I've seen no problems with the external SD -> internal SD feature.
About the RAM difference, you should use virtualized RAM as soon as you can if you're using the 1 GB model.
I only paid the extra because of that extra 1gb of ram. Believe me...it matters!! If you want to keep app updates coming, xposed modules running, etc etc....you need that extra ram. This is a great phone out of the box, but if you're here and you're asking, you're probably not leaving it untouched
I've got the 1gb model, and never found myself wanting more. Of course I keep my use simple. But for what I do, its more than enough.
My previous device had 1 GB of RAM. In my opinion, the 2 GB is definitely worth the extra cash. The multitasking difference is night and day to me, and I no longer have to worry about what is running in the background slowing the device down. I do a fair amount of gaming on Android as well, it is nice to sit back and play a game with Pandora or similar running without the OS killing it to free up memory for the game.
The 2gb makes it much more future proof. I have the 2gb version and I have never had to close any app most of the time. With 1gb of ram, you will have to close apps much more often making multi tasking a little more difficult.
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It doesn't really matter if you picked up a high speed SD card and use Marshmallow. I've seen no problems with the external SD -> internal SD feature.
About the RAM difference, you should use virtualized RAM as soon as you can if you're using the 1 GB model.
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What is 'virtualized ram?'
I'm in the boat with the 1 giggers and I'm curious how to do that.
I mainly use this phone for office tasks and it performs incredibly, but hey! An increase is an increase right?
Also curious about the posters response about low_ram flag.
christopherrrg said:
What is 'virtualized ram?'
I'm in the boat with the 1 giggers and I'm curious how to do that.
I mainly use this phone for office tasks and it performs incredibly, but hey! An increase is an increase right?
Also curious about the posters response about low_ram flag.
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In Kernel Adiutor there is a Virtual Memory section and if you scroll down all the way there is a slider called Z-RAM. You can adjust the size of the memory there. Instead of using a swap file this compresses the RAM, making room for extra storage. But it has downsides, the extra processing required to compress the RAM eats the battery at a slightly faster rate.
I haven't heard about the low_ram flag, I'm afraid that I cannot tell you about it.
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In Kernel Adiutor there is a Virtual Memory section and if you scroll down all the way there is a slider called Z-RAM. You can adjust the size of the memory there. Instead of using a swap file this compresses the RAM, making room for extra storage. But it has downsides, the extra processing required to compress the RAM eats the battery at a slightly faster rate.
I haven't heard about the low_ram flag, I'm afraid that I cannot tell you about it.
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Thanks! It passed me honestly because I haven't messed around with any kernels since my n5. Usually just flash and let it fly lol I'm gonna check it out now though, appreciate the push!
I have the 1gb RAM version I've been thinking, for some months ago to purchase the 2GB version, because of the extra gb on the ram. Although I want to know if it has any notable lag on Pokemon Go, bc the 1GB has, thx
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I have the 1gb RAM version I've been thinking, for some months ago to purchase the 2GB version, because of the extra gb on the ram. Although I want to know if it has any notable lag on Pokemon Go, bc the 1GB has, thx
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Yes, there is still noticeable lag... at least compared to phones like the S7 or HTC 10, this is due to the low-end graphics processor and low powered CPU of the Snapdragon 410 more than RAM though.
Honestly, I would just get a Moto G 4th gen at this point, the price point is nearly the same and you get a faster processor with more cores, 2GB RAM, a far superior graphics processor, full HD, 16 or 32 GB of storage, and a gyroscope.
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Yes, there is still noticeable lag... at least compared to phones like the S7 or HTC 10, this is due to the low-end graphics processor and low powered CPU of the Snapdragon 410 more than RAM though.
Honestly, I would just get a Moto G 4th gen at this point, the price point is nearly the same and you get a faster processor with more cores, 2GB RAM, a far superior graphics processor, full HD, 16 or 32 GB of storage, and a gyroscope.
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I don't mind not having the giroscope. Only if it's gonna be more fluid (or notable more) than the 1gb version
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I don't mind not having the giroscope. Only if it's gonna be more fluid (or notable more) than the 1gb version
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The game does not play differently or more smoothly between the 1GB and 2GB version of the G 3rd Gen in my experience. I do not have the 1GB version, but my friend who plays does, and the extreme lag when scrolling through Pokemon lists or after you open one and swipe side to side or try to scroll down, is equally evident on both devices... If you are going to get a new device, I would still recommend getting a 4th Gen model.
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The game does not play differently or more smoothly between the 1GB and 2GB version of the G 3rd Gen in my experience. I do not have the 1GB version, but my friend who plays does, and the extreme lag when scrolling through Pokemon lists or after you open one and swipe side to side or try to scroll down, is equally evident on both devices... If you are going to get a new device, I would still recommend getting a 4th Gen model.
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Thank you, I think I'm staying with the 1gb version :good::good:
I was wondering for light to moderate use which model between the 6gb and 8gb do you think would be more taxing on battery.
I'm assuming I would likely never fill 6gb as I close apps when not in use and only use a handful anyway.
What are your thoughts?
I'm no developer but if I had to guess, I don't think the difference in RAM has any effect on battery life. If it does, I'm sure it's so little it would be impossible to notice. Anyone who is more knowledgeable than me on this, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!
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I was wondering for light to moderate use which model between the 6gb and 8gb do you think would be more taxing on battery.
I'm assuming I would likely never fill 6gb as I close apps when not in use and only use a handful anyway.
What are your thoughts?
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Good question ! I was also wondering the same thing. Logically speaking there should be a difference but only significant if there are less physical chips on board for the 6GB model. I am very much inclined to order the 6GB model for a bit better battery life - 64GB of storage is plenty for me anyway.
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Good question ! I was also wondering the same thing. Logically speaking there should be a difference but only significant if there are less physical chips on board for the 6GB model. I am very much inclined to order the 6GB model for a bit better battery life - 64GB of storage is plenty for me anyway.
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Thing is, just like with flash storage, the controller and actual configuration of the chips will make power consumption vary wildly. We don't know the clock speed of the LPDDR4X RAM they are using, maybe it's different between the 6 and 8gb version.
Same as with the NAND chips, many factors have an influence on the electrical consumption and maybe they tweaked the 128 and 256gb version to be more energy conservative at the cost of speed.... speed that may be regained due to the fact that NAND arrays/strings are faster when there are more cells in them.
Then there's the use-case... IF the 8GB version has worse energy consumption values, maybe it still has better battery life because it can store more apps in RAM and has less need to constantly access the flash memory ?
TL;DR : we can make hypothesis but in the end there's just too much we don't know to really say if one is more energy efficient than the other.
more goods is better always !!
now with 8gb ram I can open all my apps and keeps them opened all day which will stress less processor power and keep battery.
Also, I need as much as possible storage, 256gb is ok for now.
We don't know how to get fine the kernel and OS for more ram, I would hope they would reduce compression so it strains the CPU less i.e. zram, or use the extra space to cache more things across the OS to keep things more consistent. I don't notice anymore apps open on the 8gb op6 Vs 6gb op5t.
In saying that my op6 has yet to use more than 5gb ram
ram uses the same power regardless
if the chip is the same - both use the same amount of power
only difference will be one can have more apps in memory than the other (assuming you can fill 6GB of ram... on a phone...)
other than that zero difference
Considering how experiences on the battery related threads seem to vary wildly, I wonder if this is the cause?
I was considering downgrading from an 8Gb version to 6Gb, but if I plan to keep this phone for a few years is it better to hold on to the 8Gb?
3Gb seemed like overkill when I first got my OPO but now it is less than some budget phones provide.
My OP6 - 6Gb close Google Maps and Sportify with 2,1 GB free...
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Nothing to do with battery life, but there seems to be some very aggressive ram management on the OP6 which affects the 6Gb version much more than the 8Gb: https://youtu.be/t5UEN2vpchQ
Maybe I will keep the 8Gb version after all.
Hello friends,
I am planning to buy this phone soon.. and i have real question.. is 4GB RAM more than enough? actually i have tight budget for 8GB that's why.
ok the Q' is.. for light-moderate usage i'm sure it's enough, but what about heavy usage and multitasking? well, i don't play games, but usually streaming, YT, socmed, edit photo, video, browsing, downloads, etc multitasking things.
so, based on your experiences, what you thought?
also, for 2nd thoughts..i'm a bit confuse to choose between 4GB RM 5 pro or i should go for 6GB RM 3 pro instead? (only for RAM side factor)
so what do you suggest? Thank you all!
Go for 6gb RAM option if possible. 4gb won't be enough with ColorOS. Try to save up and then buy later. Less than 6gb, you'll see apps getting unloaded from ram. This video explains it best
I think it depends on what you're using your device for. I use my device for everything but heavy usage like gaming or rendering. My Redmi Note 4X(mido) is more than 2 years old. It's my daily driver. I got the 4+64 GB version and it's plenty even with Android 9 custom rom (Pixel Experience). So I'd say yes. It's enough. Except if you're going for heavy gaming or heavy tasking. Then definitely go for 6 GB or if you have more saved money the 8 GB version.
Yes 4GB RAM is sufficient if you know how to use your device but no, as rightly pointed out ColorOS is really poor in efficiency, so phone does feel bit sluggish.
However, it's not the fault of low RAM, it's the software which is really inefficient.
I have got 4/64 GB just a couple of days ago in Flipkart (India) festive sale & when compared to same model higher RAM device, I can't spot much of a difference in day to day usage like Social Apps, depending games like PubG, productivity apps, emailing & photo editing.
It's the ColorOS which is really poor in efficiency, Custom ROM needed for sure.
TBH when people asked me is paying more for more 6 or 8 GB RAM is worth it or not, i would say NO, because 4 GB RAM is enough for simple multitask and gaming, thats why i bought the 4/128 varian (because of the budget too tho) but sadly Color OS make 4GB RAM feels like 3GB, barely 2GB Free memory when not doing anything but clearing your RAM..
However when gaming with game space competitive setting, it feels much better as long you dont set the graphic too high..
i would recommend 6/128 varian tho, however if you want to save the money to get the 8/128 better forget this phone, more models are coming with definitely better feature and price. just dont hold back when you have the money, because new models released almost every month
@FireXMan You spoke on the behalf of my truest feelings. Thank you. Indeed there is no better cost effective budget phone yet but if you can afford a 6-8 GB phone don't buy this device. Go for high end then. This is a wonderful device if we don't want to leave 170€ category.
alright buddies, thank you for all the feedbacks.. i was completely blind with colorOS and its RAM management.. now i know (from yours feedback) it's kinda su*ks
maybe i'll wait for RM 6 (realme OS) or try to save some cash for 8gb 5 pro.
for me.. nowdays 4 GB is less ideal (depends on needs and usage) and 6 GB more than enough, and of course if you can afford the 8GB that's more than ideal.
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alright buddies, thank you for all the feedbacks.. i was completely blind with colorOS and its RAM management.. now i know (from yours feedback) it's kinda su*ks
maybe i'll wait for RM 6 (realme OS) or try to save some cash for 8gb 5 pro.
for me.. nowdays 4 GB is less ideal (depends on needs and usage) and 6 GB more than enough, and of course if you can afford the 8GB that's more than ideal.
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That's why I'm gonna ghost color os as soon as I can.
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Hello friends,
I am planning to buy this phone soon.. and i have real question.. is 4GB RAM more than enough? actually i have tight budget for 8GB that's why.
ok the Q' is.. for light-moderate usage i'm sure it's enough, but what about heavy usage and multitasking? well, i don't play games, but usually streaming, YT, socmed, edit photo, video, browsing, downloads, etc multitasking things.
so, based on your experiences, what you thought?
also, for 2nd thoughts..i'm a bit confuse to choose between 4GB RM 5 pro or i should go for 6GB RM 3 pro instead? (only for RAM side factor)
so what do you suggest? Thank you all!
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buy 4g variant and install custom rom?
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buy 4g variant and install custom rom
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Got 8gb version and it's worth it. Don't need to change ROM as it's fast as **** and will never fill its 128gb, and if I do I'll stick a 128gb card just because ahah
6gb ram is the minimum to invest on a new phone to last for a couple years even with custom ROMs... Hence why I invested on a 8gb version , can open a ton of apps same time and its always fast ?
tbh 4 gb ram isnt enough if u r staying on colorOS. on custom roms 4gb is enough..thats what i think at least
In my opinion 4 GB works fine enough.
I got more than 50 smartphones till now so i can tell its fine for me.
I am no heavy gamer and reboot every 2 days or so.
Works really great. Got the latest update via Realme India and use the new dark mode. Seems to run smoother than ever.
I have recently bought Realme 5 Pro with 8 GB Ram. So Far loving it. Battery Consumption is a bit higher on this model as more apps stays in memory because I have turned off all Battery Saver Options.
I am really amazed by VOOC Charger performance.
FYI I just bought this phone a few days ago (8gb ram version). I haven't installed many apps yet and I have rooted my phone and disabling some system apps. When I clear everything my free RAM status is 5/8 only. It makes me wonder how 4gb RAM version looks like, 1/4 free RAM when not running anything?
I have realme Q with 4gb ram, it is enough
But if want to buy more powerful phone with cheap Price, buy Xiaomi redmi note8 pro
Hi
This is my first time I'll be buying a OP phone I want to buy the OP7 Pro I know that the T series is coming out in a few weeks but I have the money for a OP7 Pro so I want know if there is a huge difference between a 6gb of Ram or a 8Gb of Ram speaking of performance.
More RAM = More App Memory
Thank you
I've never owned a one plus or had more than 4 GB ram, but I don't think there is going to be a difference
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I've never owned a one plus or had more than 4 GB ram, but I don't think there is going to be a difference
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I'll be feeling the op 7 pro like a GTR because my current phone has 2Gb of ram pretty sad
Alejandro21_T said:
Hi
This is my first time I'll be buying a OP phone I want to buy the OP7 Pro I know that the T series is coming out in a few weeks but I have the money for a OP7 Pro so I want know if there is a huge difference between a 6gb of Ram or a 8Gb of Ram speaking of performance.
More RAM = More App Memory
Thank you
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It's always nice to have more ram, but relatively speaking, 6gb should be just fine
6 should work a treat!
I think some people think excessive RAM (or 12) can cause battery drain
I would go with 8GB. 6GB is enough but apps keep growing update by update and duplicate in size year by year (Bold claim, but you see how it goes) big games no just use more Storage but also more RAM to run or stay in background
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I think some people think excessive RAM (or 12) can cause battery drain
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard
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Not dumb at all when you consider that RAM is just electronic chips that are active all the time the phone is turned on. Therefore, the more chips that are actively using electricity are ultimately using more battery.
Of course it is probably something that can only be measured with sophisticated instruments and will not make a big difference in your daily battery life.
I've had phones with 3, 4, 6, and 8 GB RAM. They all worked basically the same and you will most likely not see any difference between 6 and 8. My current 7 Pro has "only" 6 and this thing just flies through everything I can throw at it.
The way Android works, the more RAM you have the more apps you can "keep" open in RAM without them having to be completely reloaded every time you need them.
But we are talking OnePLus here... and we all know they are notorious for randomly/aggressively stopping apps in the background!
So even if you have 8 or 12 GB RAM OnePlus will probably clear it all out so that you are only utilizing 2 GB at any one time.
Now according to OnePLus.... they are working on a "fix" so that their Oxygen OS is not so aggressive with RAM management. We'll just have to wait and see.
I average 5gb, I think 6 would be too less, 8gb is the minimum I'd go at this point.
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Not dumb at all when you consider that RAM is just electronic chips that are active all the time the phone is turned on. Therefore, the more chips that are actively using electricity are ultimately using more battery.
Of course it is probably something that can only be measured with sophisticated instruments and will not make a big difference in your daily battery life.
I've had phones with 3, 4, 6, and 8 GB RAM. They all worked basically the same and you will most likely not see any difference between 6 and 8. My current 7 Pro has "only" 6 and this thing just flies through everything I can throw at it.
The way Android works, the more RAM you have the more apps you can "keep" open in RAM without them having to be completely reloaded every time you need them.
But we are talking OnePLus here... and we all know they are notorious for randomly/aggressively stopping apps in the background!
So even if you have 8 or 12 GB RAM OnePlus will probably clear it all out so that you are only utilizing 2 GB at any one time.
Now according to OnePLus.... they are working on a "fix" so that their Oxygen OS is not so aggressive with RAM management. We'll just have to wait and see.
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RAM power draw is negligible, as you said. On my 12gb device with SmurfKernel, all OnePlus memory management is removed, so my RAM usage averages 80%
If those are your only choices...8gb
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RAM power draw is negligible, as you said. On my 12gb device with SmurfKernel, all OnePlus memory management is removed, so my RAM usage averages 80%
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What do you mean OnePlus memory management removed?
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If those are your only choices...8gb
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What do you mean OnePlus memory management removed?
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OnePlus has a bunch of services for controlling RAM usage, like RAM boost, but they do more harm than good in most cases. SmurfKernel uses a simple way of controlling RAM usage that keeps apps ready to launch as long as possible. For example, on the stock kernel I see game being removed from memory very shortly after I close them as the kernel maintains about 4.5/12gb of RAM used. On Smurf, multiple games may stay ready in RAM to open instantly, with averages of 10/12gb usage.
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I've never owned a one plus or had more than 4 GB ram, but I don't think there is going to be a difference
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Going from pixel 2 with 4gb....it's a massive difference
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If you are a heavy user or a pro gamer you can go with the 8GB variant. And if not then I think 6GB would be fine.
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If you are a heavy user or a pro gamer you can go with the 8GB variant. And if not then I think 6GB would be fine.
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Can confirm! As someone that occasionally plays idle games 6GB just works.