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[Q] AT&T Teathering...

So anyone understand what this article is talking about?
http://www.softwaredownloadsguide.com/2011/02/htc-inspire-4g-htc-inspire-4g-on-att-release-date/
Here is the part I am curious about:
AT&T will charge monthly data plans for the HTC Inspire 4G will price $15 for 200MB of data and $25 per month for 2GB data plan. Data can be use through Hotspot capacity from Datapro Tethering plan for the user data allowance. HTC Inspire 4G will be available on AT&T stores and online from 13th February at price $99.99 with two years contract.
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So does this mean that people with unlimited plans at $30 a month should be ok to tether their laptops via wifi?

No, you need a data pro plan with tethering. $45 for 4gb of data.

so i wonder if there will be a way around that cause i currently have a unlimited data plan and really don't want to pay for the tethering plan (have been using WMWifirouter for WM 6.5). Any ideas to help me out being a cheepskate!?

darkbluexplorer said:
so i wonder if there will be a way around that cause i currently have a unlimited data plan and really don't want to pay for the tethering plan (have been using WMWifirouter for WM 6.5). Any ideas to help me out being a cheepskate!?
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PDA.Net is an option since you have an unlimited plan.

once we get root (assuming we do) are there other tethering options (you will have to pardon me as i am still new to android). When i did searches there is some material on the subject but from what i understand the phone has to be rooted for these to work.

darkbluexplorer said:
once we get root (assuming we do) are there other wifi tethering options (you will have to pardon me as i am still new to android). When i did searches there is some material on the subject but from what i understand the phone has to be rooted for these to work.
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Yes once you root your phone you will have other options to choose from such as Android Wifi tether.

thanks.. now if the predictions continue at the same rate of what i continue to read the phone will be rooted before i ever get it home from the store

PDA.net is wired tethering, not a wifi hotspot

Ya I have the $30 unlimited data with AT&T. Using the HD2 Australian version (android OS) I am able to use the Wi-Fi Hotspot app, only problem is where I live they don't use 850 for 3G so I only have EDGE. I am really looking forward to what can be done with the Inspire, because having such an amazing phone kind of sucks with such slow data speeds.

This is something I am very interested in also. I am assuming the wifi tethering that ATT is talking about it the MobileAP that is already present on damn near every 2.2 rom. I heard that they are going to have a setting that will let ATT control whether your INSPIRE 4g will be able to use this feature. I am on the unlimited plan now with my craptivate and was just thinking about buying it off contract and dropping my sim in. does anyone think that this might be an issue?
My only worry is that ATT tries to screw you in almost every way possible if they think they can make more money off you. Technically we shouldn't have to pay for tethering IMHO we are already paying for the data why should it matter how or on what device we use it on??

laxwillsch said:
This is something I am very interested in also. I am assuming the wifi tethering that ATT is talking about it the MobileAP that is already present on damn near every 2.2 rom. I heard that they are going to have a setting that will let ATT control whether your INSPIRE 4g will be able to use this feature. I am on the unlimited plan now with my craptivate and was just thinking about buying it off contract and dropping my sim in. does anyone think that this might be an issue?
My only worry is that ATT tries to screw you in almost every way possible if they think they can make more money off you. Technically we shouldn't have to pay for tethering IMHO we are already paying for the data why should it matter how or on what device we use it on??
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I agree, although it seems like once they get it rooted we will be able to put our own tethering app on it and avoid having to pay for a ridiculous plan. I used WMWiFi Router on my incite and HTC's tethering on the windows mobile HD2 and now the WiFi Hotspot app on Android on the HD2 all on ATT with an unlimited data plan without tethering.

(T-Mobile US) What happens if you attempt to wifi tether using stock menu options?

So what happens if you set up wifi tethering and start using it without a tethering plan?
Do they know automatically or do they attempt to guess based on increases in data usage?
This would be using the menu options available to you under Network settings in STOCK (not rooted).

there no tethering plan with t-mobile you can wifi tether all you want. But if they do see that you're hitting your cap quickly lets say in a 3 month period. they'll text you if you want to upgrade.

when I was picking up my mt4gs, I overheard a rep trying to sell people an additional tethering plan. is that for unlimited tethering? I wanted to walk up to them and tell them I have been tethering since the G1 without any additional plan... the only real issue is getting throttled, but most months I don't hit the data cap.

pmcqueen said:
when I was picking up my mt4gs, I overheard a rep trying to sell people an additional tethering plan. is that for unlimited tethering? I wanted to walk up to them and tell them I have been tethering since the G1 without any additional plan... the only real issue is getting throttled, but most months I don't hit the data cap.
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Well the rep that sold me my MT4GS said that they don't throttle automatically. He had one customer use 200+GB before he was throttled. Apparently it's hit or miss anyway and he basically talked me into a lower data rate because of it.
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If you attempt to tether or do wi-fi sharing on any T-mobile phone that is capable of it one of four things will happen.. Either
A) it will fail...
B) Any browsing attempt will re-direct you to T-mobile.com
C) You will automatically get directed to a page that prompts you to call Customer care to add the $14.99/month Tethering and Wi-Fi sharing feature
D) It will allow you to browse a certain amount and then give you the above page.
The feature has to be on the account for tethering to work long term.. Even if you get away with it for a short time, eventually they will catch you and shut you off until you add the feature. The $14.99/month allows you to share whatever data is on your phone (2GB, 5GB, 10GB) with the phone and Tethering... SO... If you have the 5GB data plan, you get 5GB to share between tethering and your regular phone data usage, then speeds get slowed down to approx 100kbps after that until the bill cycle resets.

Like i told you before there is no tethering plan for t-mobile. My gf tether her phone with her iPad all the time. Nothing had happen so far.

Say that now, but I am guaranteeing you that T-mobile will catch up with her eventually.. There IS a tethering plan and you can call T-mobile and and verify that whenever you want.

Brock6949 said:
Say that now, but I am guaranteeing you that T-mobile will catch up with her eventually.. There IS a tethering plan and you can call T-mobile and and verify that whenever you want.
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I've been tethering since 2008 without a plan.
perhaps it has something to do with new data plans? I've had a grandfathered data plan for years.

pmcqueen said:
I've been tethering since 2008 without a plan.
perhaps it has something to do with new data plans? I've had a grandfathered data plan for years.
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Same and I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan that comes with unlimited texts for only $35. Been tethering forever.

I think he's just making it up. hahaha

A grandfathered plan may be the reason you are still able to tether, but I will tell you that I am a T-mobile employee who works in the phone as modem department and there IS a tethering plan that t-mobile does charge for... Infact, go to t-mobile's website and search for "Tethering" and then look at all of the official documents for tethering with different devices and they will all mention the tethering and wi-fi sharing feature.

Brock6949 said:
A grandfathered plan may be the reason you are still able to tether, but I will tell you that I am a T-mobile employee who works in the phone as modem department and there IS a tethering plan that t-mobile does charge for... Infact, go to t-mobile's website and search for "Tethering" and then look at all of the official documents for tethering with different devices and they will all mention the tethering and wi-fi sharing feature.
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I tethered my Touch Pro 2 a few times after they introduced tethering and nothing ever became...

rorytmeadows said:
I tethered my Touch Pro 2 a few times after they introduced tethering and nothing ever became...
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A few times may not have been enough for you to get the message... There is a preset threshold you have to meet or exceed to get the message about the tethering plan.. THey have not told any of us what that threshold is (for obvious reasons)
and even if you don't get the message right away, at some point our system will flag the account... Trust me, I field these calls 5 days a week.

Brock6949 said:
A few times may not have been enough for you to get the message... There is a preset threshold you have to meet or exceed to get the message about the tethering plan.. THey have not told any of us what that threshold is (for obvious reasons)
and even if you don't get the message right away, at some point our system will flag the account... Trust me, I field these calls 5 days a week.
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So how can they tell that it's tethering data vs. data from the phone? Especially since I can set my browser to desktop mode. Well, I'm too lazy to do it but if tethering ever goes to court, service providers will lose.
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There is no way to tell between tethering and phone data... it's all lumped together... even when you add the tethering feature (if the system makes you) you get your data shared with your cell data usage so on a non grandfathered rate plan you get 2gb,5gb, or 10gb to share between tethering and phone data usage.

Brock6949 said:
There is no way to tell between tethering and phone data... it's all lumped together... even when you add the tethering feature (if the system makes you) you get your data shared with your cell data usage so on a non grandfathered rate plan you get 2gb,5gb, or 10gb to share between tethering and phone data usage.
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So tethering won't get caught...
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HTTP traffic is TCP which means it's encoded in ASCII which makes it really easy to scan what goes over the line. In those HTTP headers they can check what the user-agent is as well as the time-to-live setting on each packet which will be different from a windows desktop connection.
However it's possible to mask this. I could in theory make an SSH connection from the phone to an SSH server I have on the internet and tunnel all my tethering through that. It would be very difficult to prove tethering at that point because it would be masked behind the phone's connection to a server.
That all being said. In real world usage I might only tether once or twice a month in what basically amounts to not much more bandwidth usage then normal.
Also. The telecom providers are very backhanded about tethering. We made tethering possible before they knew what the **** tethering even meant. I've been doing this since before most people understood what it means to tether. And I signed up for my unlimited plan back when unlimited meant unlimited. So uh..... T-mo can go **** itself if they expect me to pay extra. lol.
-my 2 cents

Akujin said:
We made tethering possible before they knew what the **** tethering even meant. I've been doing this since before most people understood what it means to tether. And I signed up for my unlimited plan back when unlimited meant unlimited. So uh..... T-mo can go **** itself if they expect me to pay extra. lol.
-my 2 cents
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YES!
Tethered on my MDA before I even used the word!

Theoretically based on some of the statements here of how PC band with flows, I should be able to tether my Acer A500 tablet without any problems or discovery.
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[Q] how to fake skyrocket as a non-smart phone?

I have unlimited $10 data plan for non smart phones. When I got my skyrocket I used it with that "non-smart phone sim card" and it worked, I even disabled the carried detection and used tethering and worked flawlessly. I updated the phone to the first leaked ICS and continued to do the same without issues. When I updated it to the second leak last month, AT&T detected it as smart phone and changed the data plan to 3GB LTE for $30. I didn't root, disable the carrier detection or add anything special, just the "stock leak ICS"
I've been having the phone for almost 6 months. Any idea what could be the reason it was detected and how to prevent that?
I don't mind paying the $30 but I use my phone to stream video, games and so many things that 3GB or even 5GB won't be enough for me.

It's not too difficult for AT&T to detect when a device on a non-smartphone plan is using more than about 500KB of data per month.

Learn to ration
freeman9911 said:
I don't mind paying the $30 but I use my phone to stream video, games and so many things that 3GB or even 5GB won't be enough for me.
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And people wonder why they started capping unlimited plans.

phillybits said:
And people wonder why they started capping unlimited plans.
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many other carriers use unlimited data plan now..why would you need unlimited if you won't use it!! what's the point of having unlimited data plan if they don't want you to exceed 3GB or 5GB! it reminds me with home internet services when it started...sooner or later everyone will be on unlimited high speed data plans

freeman9911 said:
many other carriers use unlimited data plan now..why would you need unlimited if you won't use it!! what's the point of having unlimited data plan if they don't want you to exceed 3GB or 5GB! it reminds me with home internet services when it started...sooner or later everyone will be on unlimited high speed data plans
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Ya but the unlimited is for phone use not for tethering... What's the point of having smartphone unlimited if everyone is using it to tether and get internet for the whole house?? Also, do those other carriers allow tethering on their unlimited plans??

freeman9911 said:
many other carriers use unlimited data plan now..why would you need unlimited if you won't use it!! what's the point of having unlimited data plan if they don't want you to exceed 3GB or 5GB! it reminds me with home internet services when it started...sooner or later everyone will be on unlimited high speed data plans
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If they're not capping it, it's for one of two reasons.
1. The service is slow as balls, like T-Mobile's "unlimited" where you get 4G speeds for x-amount of data, and then unlimited access at the speed of molasses.
or
2. You're paying an arm and a leg for data.

I read other threads where people on LTE plans were getting Throttled and I know the solution is just changing the Apn to a Hsdpa Apn instead of LTE, but I'm not sure how to beat this one. You might try this solution but you are still going to use the 3gbs just a little slower. And for the record(To the people who feel it's right to pay twice or even 3x for internet when intending to tether,lmao)we get robbed enough by these corporations like AT&T & Verizon so if you can beat them at their own games then more power to you my friend. Just keep looking for the answer. There may be a way Good luck
Edit** I just figured out that a skyrocket is s galaxy s2(lol). Now your thread is much more amazing to me. How the hell were you on a $10 unlimited internet plan with a higher-end android? I thought the other phones used wap browsing & connected to apn that way?? Good job. Maybe you could pm me the apn config.
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Its not a matter of IF but WHEN... they run serial number sweeps an put any smartphone on correct plan. You disable carrier check, an they look at abnormal use on certain data plans.... Randal Stevenson said a few weeks ago in an interview that when consumers use too much bandwidth, he has to invest capitol into rebuilding the network. The more money the company spends, the more eager they will be to look for means to make it back i.e. raising everyone's costs... so kudos to the 2% of folks that ruin it for the people that stay within reason!
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Question on tethering and At&t

Just curious if anyone as received the cease tethering email from at&t? My wife uses it because it is the only way to get wireless internet at her boss's house. Even an at&t wireless card is crap. Has anyone heard any stories of if this is a one time only warning like the throttling and if caught at any time in future it automatically changes plan? She has been using it for awhile and this is the first month the usage has shot up. I guess we should consider it good while it lasted. I know ultimately the decision is ours but just curious for any feedback.

ed20910 said:
Just curious if anyone as received the cease tethering email from at&t? My wife uses it because it is the only way to get wireless internet at her boss's house. Even an at&t wireless card is crap. Has anyone heard any stories of if this is a one time only warning like the throttling and if caught at any time in future it automatically changes plan? She has been using it for awhile and this is the first month the usage has shot up. I guess we should consider it good while it lasted. I know ultimately the decision is ours but just curious for any feedback.
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I'm not sure of this being done by AT&T -I have received no emails/letters/or any other notifications about this being so. I do know that there are ways around having a tethering plan by rooting and other things. What I HAVE heard, is that along with the 'grandfathered' unlimited data package (that is no longer available with AT&T to new customers), that once you reach a certain data usage for the month they will -at that point- throttle down your "bandwidth" so that you are not utilizing the same data speeds. Now, whether or not this is true, I don't know either. Just something I HAVE head in regards to AT&T controlling such things.

Both phones are rooted. I think At&t is fishing on unlimited plans trying to scare. Granted she has been tethering, but no more than any other month over the last six. Her usage has spiked but not due to the tethering. She needs it for work but I don't want to risk her unlimited plan. I can confirm that once you hit 3gigs of data, they will warn you about throttling. The next month it is a HUGE difference in speed once you pass that cap. I easily hit 3gigs just from streaming a podcast during my hour drive to and from work. Not sure how people get by with 250mb.

ed20910 said:
Both phones are rooted. I think At&t is fishing on unlimited plans trying to scare. Granted she has been tethering, but no more than any other month over the last six. Her usage has spiked but not due to the tethering. She needs it for work but I don't want to risk her unlimited plan. I can confirm that once you hit 3gigs of data, they will warn you about throttling. The next month it is a HUGE difference in speed once you pass that cap. I easily hit 3gigs just from streaming a podcast during my hour drive to and from work. Not sure how people get by with 250mb.
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Have you read THIS THREAD about enabling Wi-Fi "hotspot" on the Atrix 2? As for the throttling down data speeds after reaching a certain monthly usage amount, that is just downright dirty. Seems like more and more companies are becoming 'okay' with telling you one thing, and then turning around and doing another.

I use the tethering without getting any emails from AT&T. But I have unlimited data.

Question Hot spot or Tether with older unlimited data plan

Editing the build prop on my old Pixel 3xl worked great for tethering with the native hot spot, but I'm not seeing anything similar for the 7. Is there a newer or better way to hide the data usage from Verizon that I'm not seeing?

I am using this on old grandfathered data plan (true unlimited)
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No sure if this is allowed, please remove if not. I have the PP7 Unlocked, rooted, magisk, zygisk and lsposed on an At&t unlimited elite plan. Is there a way to add "Share VPNs to clients" option to a rooted PP7 like on crDroid? I am coming...
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that's amazing! can't believe you guys are still on that grandfather (more like great-great-great grandfather) unlimited plan!
I originally had it too on my LG Voyager when it was $30 unlimited and kept it throughout my 3 Motorola Droids -- so I originally had the plan from '07 and tried to hold on to it until '15)! But when Verizon kept raising it more and more incrementally to $50+, it wasn't worth paying all that much if I wasn't going to be using up to 60+GB at least (per line)...and then they friggin brought back unlimited but with restrictions and "priority" only up to the first whatever-GB (that's why I stay in regular alotted GB with carryover, at least it's not throttled)....
I hated the small print that they could keep unlimited and not throttle it, but it didn't say anything about not increasing the price for the grandfathered plan either...
Still amazing you guys are still on something that started around '07!

viper8u2 said:
I am using this on old grandfathered data plan (true unlimited)
At&t Hotspot / Tethering
No sure if this is allowed, please remove if not. I have the PP7 Unlocked, rooted, magisk, zygisk and lsposed on an At&t unlimited elite plan. Is there a way to add "Share VPNs to clients" option to a rooted PP7 like on crDroid? I am coming...
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That's interesting, thanks.
Did you get an email from Verizon when you pop the sim in asking you to add a hot spot package?

simplepinoi177 said:
that's amazing! can't believe you guys are still on that grandfather (more like great-great-great grandfather) unlimited plan!
I originally had it too on my LG Voyager when it was $30 unlimited and kept it throughout my 3 Motorola Droids -- so I originally had the plan from '07 and tried to hold on to it until '15)! But when Verizon kept raising it more and more incrementally to $50+, it wasn't worth paying all that much if I wasn't going to be using up to 60+GB at least (per line)...and then they friggin brought back unlimited but with restrictions and "priority" only up to the first whatever-GB (that's why I stay in regular alotted GB with carryover, at least it's not throttled)....
I hated the small print that they could keep unlimited and not throttle it, but it didn't say anything about not increasing the price for the grandfathered plan either...
Still amazing you guys are still on something that started around '07!
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I'm about to dump it finally. I have had this line since 01 or 02 and they just keep getting worse. It's like each additional year of loyalty makes them try harder at being terrible .
For some reason Dish is up on a tower across from my business and their 5g has been working pretty decent for the last 2 months. And I have to be about the only person using it as there is nothing else around there except vehicle traffic. So I'll probably give it another month and see if anything goes wrong with Dish and then drop Verizon once and for all.
I have the Dish service for free for the next 21 months, so that will help offset some of the overpriced Verizon billing for the last two decades.

amtrak23 said:
I'm about to dump it finally. I have had this line since 01 or 02 and they just keep getting worse. It's like each additional year of loyalty makes them try harder at being terrible .
For some reason Dish is up on a tower across from my business and their 5g has been working pretty decent for the last 2 months. And I have to be about the only person using it as there is nothing else around there except vehicle traffic. So I'll probably give it another month and see if anything goes wrong with Dish and then drop Verizon once and for all.
I have the Dish service for free for the next 21 months, so that will help offset some of the overpriced Verizon billing for the last two decades.
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I'm with you....I got my line in '02....it really kinda feels/means something sticking to it for so long.... But if one gets too complacent and not able to recognize a better deal, it's unfortunate; I admire you being able to have a better option and/or being able to break away...

amtrak23 said:
That's interesting, thanks.
Did you get an email from Verizon when you pop the sim in asking you to add a hot spot package?
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No I did not. I have the unlocked version and did remove all verizon stuff that it tried to install right away

Best way is to use the magisk module for tethering bypass. Or rooted app VPN tether.

Yup, use the Magisk module to enable tethering does the same thing is the build prop edit. I used it no problem on the OG unlimited data plan with Verizon.

Don't you have Unlimited contracts in America, I pay 60€ a month for mine in Germany (from Telekom).
Or what is the problem here with tethering

AngelNine said:
Don't you have Unlimited contracts in America, I pay 60€ a month for mine in Germany (from Telekom).
Or what is the problem here with tethering
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Tethering is not unlimited here. I think the highest cap on a consumer plan is 40 or 50GB right now unless you get Visible which is unlimited but throttled to 5Mbps.

EtherealRemnant said:
Tethering is not unlimited here. I think the highest cap on a consumer plan is 40 or 50GB right now unless you get Visible which is unlimited but throttled to 5Mbps.
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Wow, I use hotspot or USB tethering all day and thus create a little over 1000GB data volume

AngelNine said:
Wow, I use hotspot or USB tethering all day and thus create a little over 1000GB data volume
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Our networks couldn't handle that in a lot of places. Sometimes when the network is busy here, I'm lucky to be able to load a webpage.

Root the phone, VPN Hotspot from playstore... Works like charm