Quite simply, from what I'm reading about S6, and Exynos, the main reason for lack of major AOSP ROMS (CM13 has been finally ported), is the idea that Exynos is not documented so coding for it is difficult.
Knowing now that Snapdragon 820 is a Qualcom chip, which apparently is the most common SoC used for phones, should we expect to see a lot of AOSP based ROMs?
I am very used to Vanilla Android, and I don't think I could deal with TouchWiz, I like CM Theme Engine, and RRO Layers, so the big reason for my question is based on the hope that the probability of non-TouchWiz ROMs is high.
Also, I had a moto x 2014 and I've come to fall in love with AMOLED, and would like to stick to a small form factor 5 to 5.1 inches, combined with healthy ROM community, I'm kind of hoping S7 with SD820 might be the phone for me.
Please don't say "If you like Stock don't buy a Samsung", I get it, but it looks like maybe that stigma might not hold up soon if the ROM cookers are supportive.
Thanks!
I'm not sure on the international versions, but I know most carrier versions of the Note 4, S6, Note 5, etc. never got unlocked bootloaders in the first place, let alone custom ROMs. Knox is killer.
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I'm not sure on the international versions, but I know most carrier versions of the Note 4, S6, Note 5, etc. never got unlocked bootloaders in the first place, let alone custom ROMs. Knox is killer.
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Tmobile variants of all the phones you listed are bootloader unlocked. Knox has never stopped anything.
@Shemploo yes more than likely AOSP roms will be available for the snapdragons. I'm betting even exynos variants will get it although probably a little later.
I don't do carrier contracts so I'd most likely look/hope for a developer/pure edition of the S7.
The Edge does not really interest me, unless they figured out some cool things to do with the curved screen that are actually useful.
I'd much rather have a fingerprint reader, and front sensors like the Moto's, I love waving my hand in front of the display to have it wake up and tell me the time.
People go... you are a Jedi!?
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Tmobile variants of all the phones you listed are bootloader unlocked. Knox has never stopped anything.
@Shemploo yes more than likely AOSP roms will be available for the snapdragons. I'm betting even exynos variants will get it although probably a little later.
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I know AT&T and Verizon are different stories, good to know it works for T-Mobile though.
Most if not all Sprint phones have unlocked bootloaders too. At least last time I checked!
Yes. However you got something wrong there. The reason why Qualcomm has all the fancy AOSP based ROMs (I say fancy because most people consider non aosp roms boring) is because of this. This is where QCOM releases their soruce code for the platforms. This makes fixing easier because you actually have the code. However exynos and all the other ones don't give a crap about the small percentage of their users that actually flash roms etc. Infact, they only want money. And guess what? ROMs = Longer device lifespan. That's why they don't release it. Thankfully enough there are some geniuses here on XDA that still are able to do the job for exynos! However, QCOM has allot better optimization with CM in terms of performance than with any other chipset. I live in the EU, which means Exynos. After already owning 2 exynos devices, I'm tired of the work that has to be done for them. I was lucky enough that both of them had Exynos chipsets that already had allot of devs mainly from other devices which made building possible for me.
@CTXz I suppose the closest thing to AOSP on Samsung devices QCom, or Exynos, is going to be Cyanogen right?
Would I be right to assume Cyanogen would be the first (possibly only) AOSP to build for Samsung?
In other words, would/could anyone build true AOSP based on Google's source code?
I understand both are considered AOSP, I'm asking cause from general experience with ROMs, when ROM is built on CM, they usually just build in the CM Theme Manager, and only the ROMs based on Google's code do things like RRO Layer support.
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@CTXz I suppose the closest thing to AOSP on Samsung devices QCom, or Exynos, is going to be Cyanogen right?
Would I be right to assume Cyanogen would be the first (possibly only) AOSP to build for Samsung?
In other words, would/could anyone build true AOSP based on Google's source code?
I understand both are considered AOSP, I'm asking cause from general experience with ROMs, when ROM is built on CM, they usually just build in the CM Theme Manager, and only the ROMs based on Google's code do things like RRO Layer support.
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Ofcourse, infact that is up to the devs, however CyanogenMod is usually recommended over pure AOSP due it's great documentation, common updates, it's optimizations and tweaks above stock AOSP. It's also the simplest to get the hands on.
EDIT: It's also important to know that CM isn't just AOSP with a few apps. While CM is based on AOSP, it still has it's own community and is still a different ROM than AOSP mainly when it comes to the internal changes.
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Ofcourse, infact that is up to the devs, however CyanogenMod is usually recommended over pure AOSP due it's great documentation, common updates, it's optimizations and tweaks above stock AOSP. It's also the simplest to get the hands on.
EDIT: It's also important to know that CM isn't just AOSP with a few apps. While CM is based on AOSP, it still has it's own community and is still a different ROM than AOSP mainly when it comes to the internal changes.
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After Cm started trying to push that you make an acct with them I will never use CM again. I know that people say Inc has no relation to... whatever non-Inc calls themselves, but I no longer trust any of them and would rather buy a Windows phone or iPhone before I run them on any phone of mine again.
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After Cm started trying to push that you make an acct with them I will never use CM again. I know that people say Inc has no relation to... whatever non-Inc calls themselves, but I no longer trust any of them and would rather buy a Windows phone or iPhone before I run them on any phone of mine again.
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Um... CM =/= Cyanogen Inc
CM is a completely separate group that is not affected in any way. It's like XDA and GOogle. XDA is for developing and still both work on android. I know some people in the official CM group, all of them very friendly and none of it is affected by Cyanogen Inc. You're making yourself lies that aren't true. It's like blaming the entire CyanogenMod team because one dev for a specific device didn't fix the issue yet.
If CM is the main like, why not just get a Nexus and get it over with? You'll get CM right away.
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If CM is the main like, why not just get a Nexus and get it over with? You'll get CM right away.
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Because some people don't want a nexus
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Because some people don't want a nexus
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But if CM is what you look for, isn't a Nexus your best bet? Unless you want the S7 hardware.
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But if CM is what you look for, isn't a Nexus your best bet? Unless you want the S7 hardware.
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And cripple it with bad, forever-beta, with half the functionally misssing software.
Sure hope we get aosp!
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I thought it was primarily due to the 64 bit architecture that was the hold up with aosp on the s6. Buy I could be wrong. Been a while since I went looking.
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But if CM is what you look for, isn't a Nexus your best bet? Unless you want the S7 hardware.
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That is a good argument, however many people DO actually go for the look/hardware and with that said. Afterall xda wouldn't be this big if you could use the word nexus for all excuses, right ?
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That is a good argument, however many people DO actually go for the look/hardware and with that said. Afterall xda wouldn't be this big if you could use the word nexus for all excuses, right ?
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Might want to get used to it as sooner or later it will only be nexus devices that are worked on.
Also what's the point of getting the device fore the hardware when aosp doesn't take advantage of the hardware? Aosp drivers don't compare to the stock ones.
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Is there any hope for custom ROMs with Exynos chipsets? Or is it that that actually means the death of the custom ROM industry for Samsung phones?
There are some roms for the Note 4 Exynos. So don't give up the hope for the S6.
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Is there any hope for custom ROMs with Exynos chipsets? Or is it that that actually means the death of the custom ROM industry for Samsung phones?
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Lol don't believe of what you read on other blog or forum written by users that absolute don't know the truth.
Exynos absolutely doesn't mean the end of custom ROM.
Give a look on S3 (it's exynos) forum. Only in first page there are about 20 Roms and this for 37 pages.
20x37= 740. And this without the original development section. Is that enough for you?
The disadvantage about using Exynos instead of Snapdragon about modding is only one: AOSP ROM (google stock based). This not mean you'll not see any google pure ROM on S6; but means that they will be more unstable and with more bug due to missing source of the CPU. No other. If devs are really "powerful" they could make a better Aosp rom for a Exynos than a Snapdragon device.And for me, buy an S6 to install only Cyanogen or a ROM like that it's a suicide.
A part of this there is no other problem.
Be happy and don't worry about modding ^^
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Is there any hope for custom ROMs with Exynos chipsets? Or is it that that actually means the death of the custom ROM industry for Samsung phones?
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My favorite Android phone was the Note 2 and it was Exynos powered and still has a ton of roms, aosp and stock.
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Yes it's dead end... If you goto Note4 original Dev section... Rayman is still trying to boot cm12....
And me on nexus 5 can run any freaking thing... Had Ubuntu running without bugs a couple of week back.... So HTC one m9 it is
As a galaxy s4 user (i9500 - Exynos powered) I can tell you that all AOSP roms are a mess. The devs need to work extra hard and there are still plenty of small (and until recently - big) bugs present.
About a few months after purchasing this device I strongly regretted it due to TW lags and inability to change to AOSP roms, and promised myself I will never buy another Exynos powered device.
Hope this answers your question.
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As a galaxy s4 user (i9500 - Exynos powered) I can tell you that all AOSP roms are a mess. The devs need to work extra hard and there are still plenty of small (and until recently - big) bugs present.
About a few months after purchasing this device I strongly regretted it due to TW lags and inability to change to AOSP roms, and promised myself I will never buy another Exynos powered device.
Hope this answers your question.
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Pretty much this.
The Exynos will mean that custom ROMS are very hard to get done right on the S6. The sheer audience base though might make the developers try, but I don't think it's going to get any better than the previous Galaxy S phones.
The only way that is going to change is if Samsung opens up their information around the Exynos or if perhaps we get a Nexus version (kind of like the Nexus S and what it did for the Galaxy S i9000 variants).
Exynos = closed source
closed source = no developer interest
S6 = locked bootloader
Exynos + Locked Bootloader = double whammy
Exynos + Locked Bootloader + small non-removable battery = Disposable device with 2 year max lifespan & low re-sale value
Bugs on custom roms?? really?! thats the excuse? custom roms, specially aosp ones are full of bugs and random reboots here and there, they are by no means perfect. I'm sure the S6 will have dedicated developers just like the exynos S3 does. No worries
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Pretty much this.
The Exynos will mean that custom ROMS are very hard to get done right on the S6. The sheer audience base though might make the developers try, but I don't think it's going to get any better than the previous Galaxy S phones.
The only way that is going to change is if Samsung opens up their information around the Exynos or if perhaps we get a Nexus version (kind of like the Nexus S and what it did for the Galaxy S i9000 variants).
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Then why you guys buying the S6 and not the snapdragon S5 901F?
This makes no sense, CM support the S4 exynos but not the 901F snapdragon? all because of userbase?
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Bugs on custom roms?? really?! thats the excuse? custom roms, specially aosp ones are full of bugs and random reboots here and there, they are by no means perfect. I'm sure the S6 will have dedicated developers just like the exynos S3 does. No worries
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I have a snapdragon powered S4 and I have no random reboots or any bugs with an AOSP rom. So yeah, it does help to have a snapdragon vs an exynos which is still giving developers problems with AOSP roms.
Love how "custom rom" immediately = AOSP in most people's eyes.
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Love how "custom rom" immediately = AOSP in most people's eyes.
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Well, it is more-or-less the holy grail for custom roms. If you get that working for a phone you can do a lot of customization done.
I want the latest android version whenever it is possible. Waiting for an OEM to release it can take a long time. Also I don't like the custom skin over android by a lot of OEM's. I hate touchwiz for example so I flashed AOSP and used another launcher.
I think if the chip is made by the phone's company, it is most likely to get a very low support. I mean, there is a load of ROMs for my Xperia P, but every single one which is not based on a stock ROM has some kind of bug (no BT working, no NFC, no FM radio, and that goes for all).
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Lol don't believe of what you read on other blog or forum written by users that absolute don't know the truth.
Exynos absolutely doesn't mean the end of custom ROM.
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It means the end (practically) of stable AOSP roms - roms based on the source code of Android released by Google.
That is a very significant drawback for many users.
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Give a look on S3 (it's exynos) forum. Only in first page there are about 20 Roms and this for 37 pages.
20x37= 740. And this without the original development section. Is that enough for you?
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These are generally modified or modded stock roms i.e. roms created by modifying the binary files that comprise the manufacturer's stock roms. At best, they are poor cousins of true AOSP custom roms due to lack of source files. Look up the FPBug and emmc brickbug fiascos to see how limited these modded roms are. One needs source-based roms to be able to effect real change.
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The disadvantage about using Exynos instead of Snapdragon about modding is only one: AOSP ROM (google stock based). This not mean you'll not see any google pure ROM on S6; but means that they will be more unstable and with more bug due to missing source of the CPU. No other. If devs are really "powerful" they could make a better Aosp rom for a Exynos than a Snapdragon device.And for me, buy an S6 to install only Cyanogen or a ROM like that it's a suicide.
A part of this there is no other problem.
Be happy and don't worry about modding ^^
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It doesn't matter how "powerful" a developer is.....no developer(s) can create a stable, bug-free AOSP rom for Exynos platforms without technical information and assistance that Samsung is intentionally witholding (and has been since the Galaxy S2/Note2 days).
If you care about AOSP roms for your device, the general advice is to avoid the Exynos platform for now.
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If you care about AOSP roms for your device, the general advice is to avoid the Exynos platform for now.
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This is exactly the main point! What I want to explain to other users is that AOSP ROMS =/ (not equals) ALL ROMS
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This is exactly the main point! What I want to explain to other users is that AOSP ROMS =/ (not equals) ALL ROMS
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Why would anyone care for anything but AOSP ROMs? A real ROM is an AOSP-based one. All the others are just frills and laces. At best.
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Why would anyone care for anything but AOSP ROMs? A real ROM is an AOSP-based one. All the others are just frills and laces. At best.
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Completely wrong. If a real ROM is only an Aosp then buy a Nexus. No need to but a Samsung to install only an empty ROM.
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Completely wrong. If a real ROM is only an Aosp then buy a Nexus. No need to but a Samsung to install only an empty ROM.
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Believe you me, I would buy a Nexus today. Unfortunately, Nexus 5 is yesterday's news, and the next Nexus is expected in early fall at best. Not much choice for someone who needs a phone with good hardware before summer. Otherwise, if Samsung and the carriers guarantee the newest Android in no longer than one week from publication by Google, I'd be very much open to non-AOSP-supporting handsets. That, however, ain't gonna happen.
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Believe you me, I would buy a Nexus today. Unfortunately, Nexus 5 is yesterday's news, and the next Nexus is expected in early fall at best. Not much choice for someone who needs a phone with good hardware before summer. Otherwise, if Samsung and the carriers guarantee the newest Android in no longer than one week from publication by Google, I'd be very much open to non-AOSP-supporting handsets. That, however, ain't gonna happen.
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And what is the point on having latest Android in one week more than google? I may understand only if you're a developer, that you need to develop on latest build everytime otherwhise there's no need on having immediately latest version of Android.
hello
i just pre order my S6 this week end
i quit my HTC one M7 and the M9 dont interest me in term of design and fonctionality
so it my first Samsung , i always have HTC phone
so i want to know if the dev comunity is active on Samsung device (custom roms , etc.... ) ????
thx in advance for reply :good:
Off course my friend just wait till its officially released and ull see the development for this beast
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Off course my friend just wait till its officially released and ull see the development for this beast
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I have a M7 currently, and I will most likely get a SGS6. Modding HTC (unlocking/rooting/custom roms & kernels) is fairly easy. How does Sammy compare to HTC? I read it's a bit more difficult for you guys. True?
I've read Sammy's with Qualcomm chips are easier to mod than the Exynos variants. True?
I've also read Samsung takes awhile to release latest kernel sources. True?
Hopefully someone can answer these questions. First Samsung TW device. My previous smartphones are in my sig.
I wouldn't really count on the development on S6 being active. You can at the very least take a look at the Galaxy S5 G900H which is the exynos variant of the S5 which barely recieve any support from developers.
Well there are ROM chefs at least but developers are close to nil.
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I wouldn't really count on the development on S6 being active. You can at the very least take a look at the Galaxy S5 G900H which is the exynos variant of the S5 which barely recieve any support from developers.
Well there are ROM chefs at least but developers are close to nil.
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Difference is that the S6 will ONLY be Exynos, so everyone will have the Exynos version (more users/devs), of course. With the S5, most ppl had the Qualcomm variant correct? So more users/devs for the Qualcomm version.
In the last few years, generally speaking Samsung devices with Exynos SoCs have only had fully-functional custom ROMs based on TouchWiz, but ROMs based on AOSP or CyanogenMod have had unsolvable problems with the camera, sound driver's, etc. The bottom line is, if you buy a Samsung, make sure you are perfectly content with TouchWiz or broken ROMs.
Well I heard that samsung is also planning on releasing snapdragon based s6 sometime in the future? I'm not sure as I lost my interest in s6 after they confirmed that there's no sdcard in s6. Also if development is really a big deal for you when purchasing the S6 then I say better wait first before jumping. We don't know yet if there are indeed devs willing to take on the galaxy s6 for development. For now so far I haven't heard anyone willing to unlike on HTC and other devices devs are already swarming the forums even if the device is not yet released. So if I were you... Wait a couple of weeks and observe the development progress here in the forums. If it recieves enough to get your interest then purchase one and if you're lucky enough a price drop might happen before you get your device.
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Difference is that the S6 will ONLY be Exynos, so everyone will have the Exynos version (more users/devs), of course. With the S5, most ppl had the Qualcomm variant correct? So more users/devs for the Qualcomm version.
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Yes this is what I'm talking about... There are only ROM chefs(those who specialize in modifying the stock ROM) rather than developers(those who develop custom ROMs from source code) The problem here is that Samsung won't release the "full" source code of their exynos chipsets hence any drivers that's communicating in the SoC can't be recompiled against other ROMs.
As far as I know only 1 custom kernel has been released on the G900H S5 and that barely even got any progress at all even if it's just a plain TW kernel.
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In the last few years, generally speaking Samsung devices with Exynos SoCs have only had fully-functional custom ROMs based on TouchWiz, but ROMs based on AOSP or CyanogenMod have had unsolvable problems with the camera, sound driver's, etc. The bottom line is, if you buy a Samsung, make sure you are perfectly content with TouchWiz or broken ROMs.
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Look at s3 for closest example
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Look at s3 for closest example
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Is the s3 a exynos only device also?
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Is the s3 a exynos only device also?
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Yes, exynos 4412
CafeKampuchia said:
In the last few years, generally speaking Samsung devices with Exynos SoCs have only had fully-functional custom ROMs based on TouchWiz, but ROMs based on AOSP or CyanogenMod have had unsolvable problems with the camera, sound driver's, etc. The bottom line is, if you buy a Samsung, make sure you are perfectly content with TouchWiz or broken ROMs.
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I mostly use roms which the devices was made for. Like the M7, I stuck with Sense roms. If I get the SGS6, I will stick with TW. The reason I stick with what the phone was made for is because of less bugs, and the camera is always better on the original sw, etc. So modded stock roms is what I usually go for. Hopefully some good stuff for the SGS6 in the near-future, especially since it will be a popular device.
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Well I heard that samsung is also planning on releasing snapdragon based s6 sometime in the future? I'm not sure as I lost my interest in s6 after they confirmed that there's no sdcard in s6. Also if development is really a big deal for you when purchasing the S6 then I say better wait first before jumping. We don't know yet if there are indeed devs willing to take on the galaxy s6 for development. For now so far I haven't heard anyone willing to unlike on HTC and other devices devs are already swarming the forums even if the device is not yet released. So if I were you... Wait a couple of weeks and observe the development progress here in the forums. If it recieves enough to get your interest then purchase one and if you're lucky enough a price drop might happen before you get your device.
Yes this is what I'm talking about... There are only ROM chefs(those who specialize in modifying the stock ROM) rather than developers(those who develop custom ROMs from source code) The problem here is that Samsung won't release the "full" source code of their exynos chipsets hence any drivers that's communicating in the SoC can't be recompiled against other ROMs.
As far as I know only 1 custom kernel has been released on the G900H S5 and that barely even got any progress at all even if it's just a plain TW kernel.
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Yea, i'm patiently waiting for some big news on the 3rd party support. Modded stock rom is what I was going for, not AOSP roms. I always like using what the device was made for. In this case, TW. Same with my M7, Sense. So is it still difficult for the Chefs to work on the stock rom because of Exynos (and other reasons?). Or is it sort of painless? And that does suck about the S5 (Exynos varient?) kernel situation =(
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Yes, exynos 4412
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Also with Legendary S2
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Also with Legendary S2
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Also note 2
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I mostly use roms which the devices was made for. Like the M7, I stuck with Sense roms. If I get the SGS6, I will stick with TW. The reason I stick with what the phone was made for is because of less bugs, and the camera is always better on the original sw, etc. So modded stock roms is what I usually go for. Hopefully some good stuff for the SGS6 in the near-future, especially since it will be a popular device.
Yea, i'm patiently waiting for some big news on the 3rd party support. Modded stock rom is what I was going for, not AOSP roms. I always like using what the device was made for. In this case, TW. Same with my M7, Sense. So is it still difficult for the Chefs to work on the stock rom because of Exynos (and other reasons?). Or is it sort of painless? And that does suck about the S5 (Exynos varient?) kernel situation =(
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If it's just modded stock ROM you're after then you shouldn't have any problems then...
I have to admit I'm a little jealous going over to the m9 forum and seeing it full of roms already
I highly doubt the bootloader will be unlockable on the S6, greatly limiting options. No one has figured out how to unlock the S5 yet.
Unless they release a developer edition on the S6, I would prepare to have root, and possibly SafeStrap, at best.
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I highly doubt the bootloader will be unlockable on the S6, greatly limiting options. No one has figured out how to unlock the S5 yet.
Unless they release a developer edition on the S6, I would prepare to have root, and possibly SafeStrap, at best.
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Tmobile version and international have unlockable bootloaders. This phone is the reason why I switched to tmobile from at&t.
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Tmobile version and international have unlockable bootloaders. This phone is the reason why I switched to tmobile from at&t.
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Oh, I wasn't aware of that. I'm on Verizon's user-unfriendly network.
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Tmobile version and international have unlockable bootloaders. This phone is the reason why I switched to tmobile from at&t.
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Sprint on the S5 is unlocked as well. The locked bootloader is usually the carrier being difficult, Verizon/AT&T.
My bet is 3-4 months for a patchwork AOSP.
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Yeah you have those versions you'll mostly sol when it comes to development.
Just bought an S6 and if my past phones were any indication I will want to remove as much vendor android customization as possible.
I don't care about warranty and am happy to root/unlock/s-off/etc my phones.
How's development looking for the S6, has anyone produced a rom with the samsung stuff stripped out?
I don't need a ROM with gizmos, just the samsung stuff and preinstalled apps taken off.
They is a great topic , i was just talking to my coworkers from tmobile that im litterally gonna switch to the g3 or htc m8 because the development on here is so sad its driving crazy (yeah yeah, i know if i want a rom i should build it myself) well if i had the BRAINS that these developers have i would exploit my knowledge but because I dont have the knowledge then we can only depend on the developers...just imagine cm 12 running on a 64bit processor...jesus.... instant nerd boner... seriously... we need to use our phones full potential...if not then why the strong processsors for? Why all the specs... htc m8/moto X 2nd gen/Lg G3/nexus 5 (for that android M)
Any feedback? I feel like ppl are afriad to speak on this topic that they dont just so they dont get flamed... but someone has to stand up and bring it to attention...
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I agree. I would love to see some cm/aosp. I think about switching to another device that can run it every day
Yeah, I agree to. I'm waiting for CM or AOSP rom. I want imagine a pure stock on my phone...But I thing maybe it's difficult with Knox or Samsung bloadware to make different rom who can run on our phone. All we have actually are based on Samsung rom... So wait and see...
The s6 has the least amount of preinstaled apps ... and a lot of them you can remove ... why do you people even buy phones from Samsung if you need to change every little detail about it ... maybe the best advice is that you make your own phone at home ....
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I don't see how stripping out most of the features and adding on a buggy CM software is "getting the full potential" of the phone.
A 64 bit processor vs 32 is negligible anyway, and Cm, really? That's like equipping Iron Man's suit with a ZX spectrum computer.
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The s6 has the least amount of preinstaled apps ... and a lot of them you can remove ... why do you people even buy phones from Samsung if you need to change every little detail about it ... maybe the best advice is that you make your own phone at home ....
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Why do i buy phones from samsung? Umm lets see it has the latest hardware, camera, processor, screen display.... that was a really dumb question...smh... vs one plus one or a moto x 2014... i wanna run cm on a 64 bit processor.
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OP, what you are looking for is called Android Open Source Project or AOSP for Short. AOSP is the Google's Android Source Code Repository. It has a code base for your phone's Processor (SoC). There are several Developers who utilize this Google Source to create Custom Roms with Features that are not available in Samsung's Touchwiz rom. You can review this list
for currently available Roms on your Device. Essentially what is called "Play Store Edition" of a device, is basically the same thing as regular Device but has AOSP Rom.
Unfortunately this thread is a duplicate of Does Exynos = no custom ROMs? So please carry on the Discussion over there,
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Hi!
Now it seems confrimed, that the EU version of the Galaxy S7 will have the Exynos 8890 while (all?) other countrys will have the Snapdragon 820. Are there any predictions how that will affect the development for the phone? If i remember correctly there were examples in the past where phones came with different SOCs, does anyone know about the issues that came from that?
Im living in the EU so i wouldnt buy the phone if there are no Custom-Roms available since everyone is using the SD820 variant here...
The Snapdragon in my opinion will be more custom ROM friendly. CM ports, AOSP etc... The exynos processor are always behind.
Elthy said:
Hi!
Now it seems confrimed, that the EU version of the Galaxy S7 will have the Exynos 8890 while (all?) other countrys will have the Snapdragon 820. Are there any predictions how that will affect the development for the phone? If i remember correctly there were examples in the past where phones came with different SOCs, does anyone know about the issues that came from that?
Im living in the EU so i wouldnt buy the phone if there are no Custom-Roms available since everyone is using the SD820 variant here...
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The only difference is the AOSP ROMs, if you want CM and those crappy things you should get the SD820 version.
dandroid13 said:
The only difference is the AOSP ROMs, if you want CM and those crappy things you should get the SD820 version.
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So we shouldnt worry if we don't care about cm? Because I don't. Although I like the gpe rom on my htc m8 though ...
I'm looking to get the S7 Edge but think it would be too much of a hassle to import the SD820 Variant only because of flashing different ROMs
snap 820 will be better, sad in my country(brazil) only will have exynos trash version
Why did they make two variants in the first place ?
how about Exynos and just plain root?
I would settle with stock FW and basic root, so I could run Titanium, etc
I dont want Touchwiz, i remeber what it did to my brothers Galaxy S3 and even the S6 seems to have issues. Also i would like to try cm....
GyroFalcon said:
how about Exynos and just plain root?
I would settle with stock FW and basic root, so I could run Titanium, etc
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Exynos-models are often root:able just like their snapdragon brethren, it's just that snapdragon phones are usually a lot more developer-friendly.
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The only difference is the AOSP ROMs, if you want CM and those crappy things you should get the SD820 version.
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I've had the Note 5 since it came out and it's gotten very little development, more than likely because of the processor. Only thing we're seeing are the debloated ones with a few tweaks and one or two kernel options. So it hasn't been horrible, but none of the TRUE custom roms have been available. So I wouldn't even risk it with the Exynos processor if you're truly interested in the devs getting involved heavily.
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I've had the Note 5 since it came out and it's gotten very little development, more than likely because of the processor. Only thing we're seeing are the debloated ones with a few tweaks and one or two kernel options. So it hasn't been horrible, but none of the TRUE custom roms have been available. So I wouldn't even risk it with the Exynos processor if you're truly interested in the devs getting involved heavily.
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If really have 2 version and usa receive sd820 all exynos users will be dammed. Same thing happen in s4
matheus_sc said:
If really have 2 version and usa receive sd820 all exynos users will be dammed. Same thing happen in s4
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Confirmed that US will get the SnapDragon. So S7 Edge it is.
Eezay said:
So we shouldnt worry if we don't care about cm? Because I don't. Although I like the gpe rom on my htc m8 though ...
I'm looking to get the S7 Edge but think it would be too much of a hassle to import the SD820 Variant only because of flashing different ROMs
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Yeah, if you're ok with TW then it's fine, Samsung devices generally get many custom TW ROMs and kernels.
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I've had the Note 5 since it came out and it's gotten very little development, more than likely because of the processor. Only thing we're seeing are the debloated ones with a few tweaks and one or two kernel options. So it hasn't been horrible, but none of the TRUE custom roms have been available. So I wouldn't even risk it with the Exynos processor if you're truly interested in the devs getting involved heavily.
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Sure, there is a little less dev involvment, but why ruin your device with an always-beta AOSP ROM? But there's a catch, you can't convert your carrier branded phone to unlocked, maybe that's why your phone has less devs. But still, other than AOSP, the S6 has it all, TW ROMs, kernels, mods...
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Yeah, if you're ok with TW then it's fine, Samsung devices generally get many custom TW ROMs and kernels.
Sure, there is a little less dev involvment, but why ruin your device with an always-beta AOSP ROM? But there's a catch, you can't convert your carrier branded phone to unlocked, maybe that's why your phone has less devs. But still, other than AOSP, the S6 has it all, TW ROMs, kernels, mods...
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Well, I'm a "Serial Flasher" so I like having the wide variety of options. Unlocked doesn't mean much if the processor is the issues (which was the problem with the Note 5). Still had only TW type ROM's. Again, there were a few, but their base was still TW. For those who like closer to a pure Google experience, then you need the development if you don't already have a Nexus device (which I'll definitely be picking up this go around).
Just all about what you want. Nothing is bad, I love my Note 5. But just as far as development, I've been disappointed.
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Well, I'm a "Serial Flasher" so I like having the wide variety of options. Unlocked doesn't mean much if the processor is the issues (which was the problem with the Note 5). Still had only TW type ROM's. Again, there were a few, but their base was still TW. For those who like closer to a pure Google experience, then you need the development if you don't already have a Nexus device (which I'll definitely be picking up this go around).
Just all about what you want. Nothing is bad, I love my Note 5. But just as far as development, I've been disappointed.
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Yeah, there are no AOSP ROMs for the 7420 really, but they usually suck anyway. I had a Galaxy Nexus and the only thing good about it was the fast updates, no more Nexus for me. Better have a full featured TW phone than a half-ass baked ROM made by some snob cooker who thinks he's better than everyone just because he's a "dev".
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Yeah, there are no AOSP ROMs for the 7420 really, but they usually suck anyway. I had a Galaxy Nexus and the only thing good about it was the fast updates, no more Nexus for me. Better have a full featured TW phone than a half-ass baked ROM made by some snob cooker who thinks he's better than everyone just because he's a "dev".
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Now I can't argue that I've run into some devs who were assholes. But overall the community has been very cool. And a lot of these roms (especially some of the big boy groups) are very clean and stable. Not many complaints about the roms at all! I stick to the people I know and might try a new one here or there. But I've been more than happy with my AOSP experiences.
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Now I can't argue that I've run into some devs who were assholes. But overall the community has been very cool. And a lot of these roms (especially some of the big boy groups) are very clean and stable. Not many complaints about the roms at all! I stick to the people I know and might try a new one here or there. But I've been more than happy with my AOSP experiences.
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Agreed! I come to XDA for trying out new ROMs and mods for my phones whether that's TW, AOSP or CM. The reliable devs are almost always friendly and only get peeved when people ask the same questions without searching for an answer first. Been on and off XDA since my Galaxy S2 and never regretted a single flash.
I am also very interested in this question. I have already pre-ordered the S7. But i'll get the Exynos version.
Seriously considering canceling that order and import a 820. Or maybe i'll hang onto it for the first two weeks and send it back if TW is as bad as i fear. Always dreamed about a galaxy devices running stock android....
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Agreed! I come to XDA for trying out new ROMs and mods for my phones whether that's TW, AOSP or CM. The reliable devs are almost always friendly and only get peeved when people ask the same questions without searching for an answer first. Been on and off XDA since my Galaxy S2 and never regretted a single flash.
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I regret having bought a Nexus, stock Android is boring, and that hardware was crap, any lwp would make it lag lol.
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I regret having bought a Nexus, stock Android is boring, and that hardware was crap, any lwp would make it lag lol.
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No one is forced to stay 'stock'. You can easily download one of many amazing launchers on the play store. Also most TW "features" can be replicated through some app or Xposed.
Hello
For over one year we have the S6 . We still expect that developers lay us an AOSP ROM. CyanogenMod but we dodge ! And AOKP ? It's over?
Have you any news? Thank you in advance!
I think I'll leave Galaxy for Nexus !
Why bother for a cm full of bugs..just use a tw rom debloated and with a custom launcher.
S6 wont get any stable cm even in a few years. So just move on
just change title mate, it's against the rules do something like this.
no opensource = no cyano. it's like trying to build a rom without codes.
slawl said:
Hello
For over one year we have the S6 . We still expect that developers lay us an AOSP ROM. CyanogenMod but we dodge ! And AOKP ? It's over?
Have you any news? Thank you in advance!
I think I'll leave Galaxy for Nexus !
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Any device utilizing a Exyenos CPU is always a no-go for CM and never-ever good for any bug-free modding. Always & forever. I believe any rom Dev would tell you this.
Samsung's hardware imo is superior to Nexus, say what you will, but Samsung knows how to produce a quality handset. Too bad about the mod-ability! But hey, as you pointed out, there's always Nexus
The exynos chipset is always difficult to get a cyanogen build for, mainly cos Samsung never release sources which makes development very hard.
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Any device utilizing a Exyenos CPU is always a no-go for CM and never-ever good for any bug-free modding. Always & forever. I believe any rom Dev would tell you this.
Samsung's hardware imo is superior to Nexus, say what you will, but Samsung knows how to produce a quality handset. Too bad about the mod-ability! But hey, as you pointed out, there's always Nexus
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Except for the Nexus 10 which has an Exynos aswell.
Officially it has 5.1.1 but unofficial cm13, maybe Android N in the future.
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Except for the Nexus 10 which has an Exynos aswell.
Officially it has 5.1.1 but unofficial cm13, maybe Android N in the future.
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I never argued Exyenos can't/won't run/didn't have decent builds of CM; simply said it's a no-go meaning the end-user experience is inferior to devices that run it well e.g. devices with Qualcomm's CPU's.
Devices with Qualcomm/Snapdragon CPU's are usually the ones to go for. Look at the thread and compare rom's/cm of i9500 vs i9505 - BIG difference! :highfive: