All,
Anyone know of any car dock that has both the USB injector and can output audio through USB? I currently have the Samsung Infuse 4G dock and use it with my S3. It is very convenient to dock the phone and slide the usb connector (as opposed to plugging usb and stereo manually) and it puts the phone in dock mode, which triggers my Tasker task to run navigation, play music, etc..
I have my T-Mo Note 4 now but did not find/decide a dock that can hold the phone with the Spigen Neo hybrid case on with the usb injector like the Infuse dock.
Two docks that I looked at and might work..
iBolt xProDock (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AOCSFYC/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1KED7QPKDBUQ7)
iOttie One Touch 2 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JRGOKQ8/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2FE6D62A4WM6Q)
Worst case, I would have to buy one of these. Any suggestions? What do you use?
by the way, I did look through all the suggested threads in other forums before creating this one.
Thanks.
gnash.s said:
All,
Anyone know of any car dock that has both the USB injector and can output audio through USB? I currently have the Samsung Infuse 4G dock and use it with my S3. It is very convenient to dock the phone and slide the usb connector (as opposed to plugging usb and stereo manually) and it puts the phone in dock mode, which triggers my Tasker task to run navigation, play music, etc..
I have my T-Mo Note 4 now but did not find/decide a dock that can hold the phone with the Spigen Neo hybrid case on with the usb injector like the Infuse dock.
Two docks that I looked at and might work..
iBolt xProDock (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AOCSFYC/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1KED7QPKDBUQ7)
iOttie One Touch 2 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JRGOKQ8/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2FE6D62A4WM6Q)
Worst case, I would have to buy one of these. Any suggestions? What do you use?
by the way, I did look through all the suggested threads in other forums before creating this one.
Thanks.
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I haven't tried my iBolt xProDock, but it *should* work. They actually took forum members here opinion when they were designing it, and designed it to work with the Note 2 / 3 with a bulky otterbox case on, so you won't have any issues with the phone not fitting.
Also, their support is awesome. Part of the dock was rubbing down over time due to wear & tear, they sent me a replacement pretty quick.
gnash.s said:
All,
Anyone know of any car dock that has both the USB injector and can output audio through USB? I currently have the Samsung Infuse 4G dock and use it with my S3. It is very convenient to dock the phone and slide the usb connector (as opposed to plugging usb and stereo manually) and it puts the phone in dock mode, which triggers my Tasker task to run navigation, play music, etc..
I have my T-Mo Note 4 now but did not find/decide a dock that can hold the phone with the Spigen Neo hybrid case on with the usb injector like the Infuse dock.
Two docks that I looked at and might work..
iBolt xProDock (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AOCSFYC/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1KED7QPKDBUQ7)
iOttie One Touch 2 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JRGOKQ8/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2FE6D62A4WM6Q)
Worst case, I would have to buy one of these. Any suggestions? What do you use?
by the way, I did look through all the suggested threads in other forums before creating this one.
Thanks.
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I'm not sure the Note 4 has the audio out through usb capability. My Note 2 and 3 worked perfect with the ibolt dock but when I attached the Note 4 the audio would not play through the car speakers. The option to switch the audio mode in the Accessories menu is not there anymore. I tried to use tasker to switch to external speakers but no luck.
flowidc said:
I'm not sure the Note 4 has the audio out through usb capability. My Note 2 and 3 worked perfect with the ibolt dock but when I attached the Note 4 the audio would not play through the car speakers. The option to switch the audio mode in the Accessories menu is not there anymore. I tried to use tasker to switch to external speakers but no luck.
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Thanks. I decided to go with the iOttie dock, because of the telescopic arm. I have some unused nfc tags that I hope to use it with Trigger/Tasker to put the phone in car mode. I will post some pictures once I get it in 4-5 days.
flowidc said:
I'm not sure the Note 4 has the audio out through usb capability. My Note 2 and 3 worked perfect with the ibolt dock but when I attached the Note 4 the audio would not play through the car speakers. The option to switch the audio mode in the Accessories menu is not there anymore. I tried to use tasker to switch to external speakers but no luck.
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I have the same issue with mine. What did you end up doing?
No luck with mine and the Aux audio either with the iBolt dock or the official samsung media dock with the HDMI/usb ports. And with the iBolt the phone has to be off centered due to the position of the volume buttons.
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I'm really bummed, it looks like with the Galaxy S5 and the Note 4 Samsung or Verizon has dropped support for USB dock audio out. I tried an S5-based ROM on my Note 3 and lost dock audio-out capability, and now that I've upgraded to the Verizon Note 4, it's not even an option in settings. I tried Dock Audio from the Play Store which says hopefully "Audio redirected to dock" when you enable it but doesn't change a damn thing.
My only work-around is to use a third-party Bluetooth adapter. I have the Sony SBH52 which sounds great for a Bluetooth adapter, I just plug this into my rear audio-in ports on my MDX, you could probably get a 3.5mm male-to-male audio cable to get this to work with your 3.5mm AUX jack no problem.
I had the same issue, was pretty bummed to find out that the desk dock I was using next to my bed with my s4 wouldn't play audio through the speakers I've got set up. Did a lot of looking around and didn't find any solutions currently, but I did find out something interesting that might explain some of this- It looks like Lollipop will have native support for audio out through USB. Makes me wonder if Samsung didn't include this feature in the s5 or Note 4 because they are waiting for L to drop, and will update touchwiz to handle it at that point? I can't find any confirmation of this anywhere so it's just speculation on my part, but it does seem to make sense. Why put the time and effort into designing a feature that will be coming standard in the next rev of Android anyway?
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I'm really bummed, it looks like with the Galaxy S5 and the Note 4 Samsung or Verizon has dropped support for USB dock audio out. I tried an S5-based ROM on my Note 3 and lost dock audio-out capability, and now that I've upgraded to the Verizon Note 4, it's not even an option in settings. I tried Dock Audio from the Play Store which says hopefully "Audio redirected to dock" when you enable it but doesn't change a damn thing.
My only work-around is to use a third-party Bluetooth adapter. I have the Sony SBH52 which sounds great for a Bluetooth adapter, I just plug this into my rear audio-in ports on my MDX, you could probably get a 3.5mm male-to-male audio cable to get this to work with your 3.5mm AUX jack no problem.
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I'm using a Fiio Kunlun E-18 Audio Amplifier and Digital Audio Converter without issue on both the Galaxy S4 and the Note 4.
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000049935442&MenuID=105026002
Not sure why USB Audio Out would not work on the Note 4.
Perhaps the DAC is missing on a dock?
iqak said:
I'm using a Fiio Kunlun E-18 Audio Amplifier and Digital Audio Converter without issue on both the Galaxy S4 and the Note 4.
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000049935442&MenuID=105026002
Not sure why USB Audio Out would not work on the Note 4.
Perhaps the DAC is missing on a dock?
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As has been stated in a few other threads, the Note 4 DOES support audio out with the use of an OTG cable and an accompanying DAC/amplifier. What it lacks is support for audio out through a standard micro-USB/auxiliary audio combo cable (like you get with many car docks), or through the aux port on desk docks like the Samsung dock for the previous gen notes and Galaxy S devices. Basically, you can't just drop the Note 4 into a dock that's connected to speakers or to your car's aux in port without adding extra hardware, which was a feature that was present in all of the previous Galaxy devices IIRC (certainly you could do it with the S4 and the Note 3). The S5 also lacks this ability. What this means is that those of us who want to charge the phone and output audio on a single cable are basically out of luck
As I said in my previous post, it looks like Lollipop will be including audio out over USB standard across all devices, so my hope is that Samsung knew this and just decided not to waste time building in a feature that would become present with the 5.0 update anyway. I haven't been able to find any confirmation of this however, and I also haven't been able to find out specifically whether the feature in Lollipop will only support audio out with an OTG cable/DAC or if it also will support audio over micro-USB the way that the S4 and Note 3 did. Guess we'll just have to wait and see!
A discussion was started about this already, the only way to get audio out is an external dac and OTG.
This may sound stupid but, can you help to eloborate more on the dac and otg thighy? Does it mean i can still utilize my ibolt xprodock for prior samsung models with my note4? This will be very interesting. On Lollipop feature, I am getting my hands itchy to test the new firmware already...
So, the answer to your question is both yes and no. You won't be able to use your iBolt with the cable that it came with, but you can get audio out through usb with some extra hardware.
What is needed is a USB OTG (On The Go) cable such as one of these: http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_qy4kwf7wh_b
and a DAC (Digital to Audio Converter) like one of these: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...aps&field-keywords=USB+DAC&rh=i:aps,k:USB+DAC
I haven't personally done this, so I'm really not the best person to completely explain how this all works, but there is tons of info on doing this all around the web. The long and the short of it though is that you'll need the extra hardware to make this work and you won't be able to get the dock recognition that you get from the iBolt cable.
This problem can be solved with a modified kernel?
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soul777toast said:
So, the answer to your question is both yes and no. You won't be able to use your iBolt with the cable that it came with, but you can get audio out through usb with some extra hardware.
What is needed is a USB OTG (On The Go) cable such as one of these: http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_qy4kwf7wh_b
and a DAC (Digital to Audio Converter) like one of these: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...aps&field-keywords=USB+DAC&rh=i:aps,k:USB+DAC
I haven't personally done this, so I'm really not the best person to completely explain how this all works, but there is tons of info on doing this all around the web. The long and the short of it though is that you'll need the extra hardware to make this work and you won't be able to get the dock recognition that you get from the iBolt cable.
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So. It can be done? Will I be able to charge the phone meanwhile?
Sorry. Read the full post and noticed that we can't have both.
It's either audio through otg or charging. [emoji30] [emoji31]
McGilljam said:
So. It can be done? Will I be able to charge the phone meanwhile?
Sorry. Read the full post and noticed that we can't have both.
It's either audio through otg or charging. [emoji30] [emoji31]
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That's what I've found, you get EITHER charge OR audio out, not both at the same time. :crying: if anyone knows of a product that can do both please let us all know.
My Note 4 plays through USB DAC and charges at the same time (about 800mA) when connected to Samsung Smart Dock (only 2 of 3 usb ports could host dac). It's important to use 2A Samsung charger and short high quality USB cables. All other docks I tried and longer cables and non-samsung chargers made Note 4 ignore DAC audio output. I also wired smart dock with usb dac in my car so internet radio and even more so flacs sound amazing.
This doesn't help with charging, but in terms of Audio clarity, this is one amazing plug using my car's Aux input/Aux cable straight into my Note 4 microusb port: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FJSEAZ4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It makes my crappy 9 speaker HiFi system in my BMW X5 F15 sound close to the Harmon Kardon sound system - no joke. All the scratchiness at higher volumes is gone. It's all pure clarity.
Note 4 is listed as supported by this cable. Has anyone tried it?
http://allputer.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=240_99&products_id=2295
Seems to be the same as this one
http://allgalaxytab.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_97&products_id=1846
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Has anyone been able to find a micro usb cable that has a 3.5mm audio jack on the other end, that can also charge the phone via USB? I have found a few examples of homemade contraptions that people have posted on XDA, but nothing polished enough to actually convince me they work. I am trying to be able to charge my phone in the car, while playing audio out via the micro usb port. In theory, this should alleviate my phone from trying to pump out bluetooth phone conversations thru the headphones jack during a call.
Thx, in advance.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know these devices aren't able to receive power via the headphone jack you would need to open the phone and solder a connection between the headphone jack and USB port to get it to charge remember doing something similar to get PSPs to charge via USB back in the day
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Think I might have figured this out...
This cable:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-male-to-30P-Female-data-charge-M-F-adapter-for-Apple-iPhone-iPod-cable-/180962749596?pt=UK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL&hash=item2a22386c9c
Plus This cable:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-AUX-USB-Audio-White-Cable-for-iPhone-iPod-iPad-BMW-Volvo-Sony-Ford-/320961010005?pt=US_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item4abac45955
Should allow me to charge the phone while NOT using the headphones jack... and hopefully let my bluetooth in the car take over during a call. Gonna have to wait a bit for shipping, but I will update you as it comes in. Now, if I could simply find someone who makes a solid cable that doesn't require me to connect two separate ones, I would be golden.
darkfox2002 said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know these devices aren't able to receive power via the headphone jack you would need to open the phone and solder a connection between the headphone jack and USB port to get it to charge remember doing something similar to get PSPs to charge via USB back in the day
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I probably mispoke. Here's what I am up against, and trying to do.
The S3 currently has no ability to switch audio out devices during a phone call, if the headphone jack is in use. The option to switch to bluetooth headset is there, but it's grayed out. What does that mean? If I am using the heaphones jack, and connecting that to the aux in port in my car... I am unable to use my car's bluetooth to make or receive calls.
My way around this is to figure out how to get audio out via the micro USB port, while still retaining a way to charge the phone. Most BMW autos from the past 7 years or newer have their BMW to iPod cable, which has the male 30p iPod connector at one end, and a USB + 3.5mm jack at the other end. What I need to find is a way to connect the 30p iPod connector to the S3 micro USB. I have only found the cable I linked above... but will keep looking. Just wondering if others have found a way around this, other than using a bluetooth A2DP bluetooth streaming device like a parrot or the belkin version.
Unless you are using that cable with an iPod you won't get sound to output through it. Trust me I've tried it on my 2008 BMW and it didn't work. Are you trying to get it to work over the cars Bluetooth or a headset? To me it seems like an aux Bluetooth dongle like those made by blackberry may suit your needs
Amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00170KUM0
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darkfox2002 said:
Unless you are using that cable with an iPod you won't get sound to output through it. Trust me I've tried it on my 2008 BMW and it didn't work. Are you trying to get it to work over the cars Bluetooth or a headset? To me it seems like an aux Bluetooth dongle like those made by blackberry may suit your needs
Amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00170KUM0
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I am trying to get the phone call audio over the bluetooth in the car. When anything is plugged into the headphones jack, the phone automatically routes it thru there, killing my phone calls. The car thinks it's using the bluetooth, the phone thinks it's using the headphones... end result, no sound, unless I unplug the headset each time.
The bluetooth dongle from blackberry I found for $200, bleh, not paying that. Why did the bmw cable not work for you? Also, where did you find your female 30p cable?
The easy fix is for samsung to update the phone so I can switch audio devices in a call...
Thx, in advance.
I'm also very interested in this. It sounds like we could do it on software. I'm sure it's been done in cyanogenmod before, but I'd like to have it for TW.
Anyone have any idea where to look (what apk, files, etc)? I'm no 1337 dev, but I can hack my way around apks and write java.
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In the same boat
mdt73 said:
Has anyone been able to find a micro usb cable that has a 3.5mm audio jack on the other end, that can also charge the phone via USB? I have found a few examples of homemade contraptions that people have posted on XDA, but nothing polished enough to actually convince me they work. I am trying to be able to charge my phone in the car, while playing audio out via the micro usb port. In theory, this should alleviate my phone from trying to pump out bluetooth phone conversations thru the headphones jack during a call.
Thx, in advance.
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I have experienced this same issue. My 2008 Acura TL has Hands Free (Bluetooth) but no way to connect external audio player other than with the Aux connection. So when I have the phone plugged in to the Aux and I receive a call I have to unplug the Aux first, then take the call, then plug the Aux back in when the call is over.
I think the resolution is going to have to be a software update/patch that fixes the source used for audio a when call is received.
All, I was able to find a solution that worked for me. While in the car I can charge the phone, play music, and still answer calls hands free (with fully working two way communication) all from only the usb port.
I am running a TW based rom (Bean's R11 with Lean Kernel 0.9). I'm confident this will work in all TW roms and will most likely work in AOSP roms as well (although I haven't tried it).
The solution I used was to make a custom USB cable.
Our phone (along with almost every Android phone) uses a micro usb B port. A micro usb B port has 5 pins (Vcc, D-, D+, IDCON, GND).
http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-P-W/samsung_cell_micro_usb_pinout.shtml
The 3.5mm aux input in my car has 3 connectors (Tip, Ring, and Sleeve).
http://pinouts.ru/Home/Tele35s_pinout.shtml
Tip=Left Audio
Ring=Right Audio
Sleeve=signal gnd
This post pretty much sums it up http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14846636&postcount=9
In a nutshell you connect pin 2 (D-) of the micro usb B connector to the left audio (tip), pin 3 (D+) to right audio (ring), pin 5 (GND) to the signal gnd (sleeve), and pin 4 (IDCON) to a large resistor (I used 470K ohm) which connects to pin 5 (GND). The resistor is absolutely needed in order to limit current.
To enable charging, connect a car charger Vcc (+5v) to pin 1 of the micro usb B connector (Vcc) and gnd to pin 5 (GND). As gnd in a car is ultimately going to the same place (chassis), we don't need to worry about differing grounds.
When you plug this cable into your phone, the presence of the resistor between IDCON and GND triggers the phone to enter "dock mode". If you go into settings, dock, and check "Output Audio Mode", then an analog audio signal will be output over the data lines (and GND) of the micro usb port.
This worked well in my car and did not mess with the bluetooth microphone.
This could also be adapted for an iphone connector (if your car doesn't have a convenient 3.5mm aux jack). See the pinout for details.
http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml
I am going to order some electronic parts to make a nice clean cable that will last a while. When I get around to ordering the parts, I'll try to remember to post the list here.
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I bought the car dock from vzw with my s3 that actually had this very cable... usb on one end with the other end split into micro usb and 3.5mm jack
Couldnt tell you if it would work the way you are asking though... every phone ive ever used always puts a headphone jack as priority over a bluetooth device until disabled or Bt settings are reconfigured to phone only on bt, media audio left unchecked
Granted... my car might not be as smart as yours id really like to get audio through micro usb running as well without having a mess of ghetto rigged wires all across my dash
mybook4 said:
I am going to order some electronic parts to make a nice clean cable that will last a while. When I get around to ordering the parts, I'll try to remember to post the list here.
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FYI,
I ordered this cable and am going to use the configuration described here.
I already have the resistor and one of the DIY micro usb connectors with housing laying around, but this would also work.
It really is quite a clean setup. Besides, the paranoid side of me would rather make the cable rather than buy one because I know exactly what the cable circuit is. I'm sure a lot of cables out there just short pins 4 and 5 on the micro usb connector (to save the cost of acquiring/installing the resistor).
I would also like to know a solution to this issue, as it is in the software. I ran ASOP JB on the Nexus and the S3 and they always routed the phone calls over my BT earpice even when I had the headphone jack plugged in for music.
My music would pause while on the phone and resume as soon as I hung-up the call.
I hope a dev can sort this out in the TW ROMS, as they are so much more stable than the AOSP that is out at the moment.
My question is if your car has blue tooth why not use blue tooth audio and charge your phone that is what I do in my fusion
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My question is if your car has blue tooth why not use blue tooth audio and charge your phone that is what I do in my fusion
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Thanks that is what i was doing.. i'm wondering why all this trouble..
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I resolved this issue for myself by building a cable similar to the ones mentioned in this thread.
Here is my proof of concept. Working perfectly for me. PM me if you need info about the cable.
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I just upgraded from a galaxy s3 to the new s4. The one thing that's really bothering me is that a cable I've used in my car with the s3 isn't working with the s4.
The cable plugs into the usb jack on the phone, and the other end splits into a usb jack that I plug into my charger, and into an audio jack that goes into the aux. in of my car stereo. With my s3, all I had to do was plug in my phone, and it would go into car dock mode, routing audio out through the cable.
The cable doesn't seem to work with my s4. I already checked the box in settings to play audio over usb when in dock mode, but the phone doesn't go into dock mode when plugged into the cable like the s3 did.
Is my phone defective, or did they change something in the s4? How can I get this to work again? Is there an updated cable I need to buy?
in advance for any help!
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the s3 and s4 have different specs in regards to that issue...sorry I dont know the technical terms to help elaborate but no it will not work the same way. I had the same issue with my ibolt dock for the s3 not working with my s4.
glsec507 said:
the s3 and s4 have different specs in regards to that issue...sorry I dont know the technical terms to help elaborate but no it will not work the same way. I had the same issue with my ibolt dock for the s3 not working with my s4.
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I was really disappointed by that! I have searched and been unable to locate a cable that does what the $7 cable I used with my S3 did. I found another *possible* solution. I ordered this from Amazon:
AUDI 99-10 GROM Android USB interface adapter VAGM
This is specific to my car, but they make them for lots of vehicles. If it doesn't work, I'll return it and keep trying. I'll update this thread next week to let you guys know if it works.
In the meantime, if anyone else has a simple, one-cable solution to both charge and play audio from the phone in a car, let me know!
Ibolt now has the ibolt xprodock which works the same way but also gives you the option to mount it to your windshield or dash and use as a gps which I like
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Ibolt now has the ibolt xprodock which works the same way but also gives you the option to mount it to your windshield or dash and use as a gps which I like
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I may end up buying that mount and using just the cable from it. I already have the world's best car mount (if anyone wants to know about it, ask me and I'll let you know why I like it so much!)
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I just got my S4 and I've been considering the iMagnet mount. I thought that with the simplicity of just "snapping" it onto the mount, and with the problems people seem to be having with combined audio/usb cables, it would be great if I could find a bluetooth audio solution (there's a thread about it out there). It would be so cool to just pop the phone onto the magnet, start the car, and have bluetooth audio flowing through my car without having to attach anything to anything.
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I just got my S4 and I've been considering the iMagnet mount. I thought that with the simplicity of just "snapping" it onto the mount, and with the problems people seem to be having with combined audio/usb cables, it would be great if I could find a bluetooth audio solution (there's a thread about it out there). It would be so cool to just pop the phone onto the magnet, start the car, and have bluetooth audio flowing through my car without having to attach anything to anything.
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You'd still have to plug it in to charge though, if you're using the phone while driving (navigation, pandora, etc.) That's why the solution I had with my S3 was so great. Just pop the phone onto the magnet mount, and plug in the USB. I got audio and charging with just that one cable. I'm looking to do that again with the S4.
Yeah, I know I'd still have to plug it in to charge. Thing is, mostly I just drive to and from work, so my phone is charging while I'm at home and while I'm at work, and even though I have a charger in the car, there's not a HUGE need to always be charging.
My iBolt pro dock works great! I haven't tried my iBolt dock(original), nor have I tried custom roms with either for the s4 ( i'm comming from a S3 running LiquidSmooth. I've had audio out issues with other roms)
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My iBolt pro dock works great! I haven't tried my iBolt dock(original), nor have I tried custom roms with either for the s4 ( i'm comming from a S3 running LiquidSmooth. I've had audio out issues with other roms)
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Thanks for the feedback! Can I ask you a question about the dock? If I were to order it, would I be able to separate the cable from the dock, and use just the cable? Again, I'm really happy with my iMagnet dock, but I want the cable to function like it used to with my S3.
Thanks!
I'm not sure you meant to quote me? I don't actually have the dock. Maybe you meant to quote cogcaviz24?
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me? I don't actually have the dock. Maybe you meant to quote cogcaviz24?
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Oops, you're right. Thanks! I edited my post.
Yesterday I pulled the cable I was using in my car out, and put back the separate charger and headphone jack so that I can listen to music from my phone in my car. It looks so messy and is a hassle with two cables! Hopefull the Grom Audio adapter I ordered works!
I'll let everyone know.
Bit of a thread revival, but I have this problem in my car as well. I have a possible solution that I'm going to try in the morning, but I think it might have something to do with the fact that the GS4 automatically mounts as a "Media Device", whereas my previous phone would mount as a "USB Mass Storage Device".
I just installed an app that allows the GS4 to mount as a USB storage device, so I'm going to try running that tomorrow and see if that helps. I'll report back soon.
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I was really disappointed by that! I have searched and been unable to locate a cable that does what the $7 cable I used with my S3 did. I found another *possible* solution. I ordered this from Amazon:
AUDI 99-10 GROM Android USB interface adapter VAGM
This is specific to my car, but they make them for lots of vehicles. If it doesn't work, I'll return it and keep trying. I'll update this thread next week to let you guys know if it works.
In the meantime, if anyone else has a simple, one-cable solution to both charge and play audio from the phone in a car, let me know!
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As promised, I wanted to give a review of this device. It works!
It was a bit of a hassle to set up, so if anyone has questions, let me know. It's all hard-wired now though, so I plug my phone into the USB cable, and it charges and passes audio through to the car stereo. The one really nice thing is that with the old USB to USB/ audio splitter that I had, there was some hiss/background noise. This new setup has none of that. It sounds great!
Again, if anyone orders one, let me know and I'll give you some pointers. The instructions weren't great, and it was a hassle to get it working.
Rob
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2455347
I found my Note 4 have dock mode with the old dock for other Samsung's phone. But doesn't work with the audio out.
Have anyone know the purpose of the dock mode for the Note 4?
Or there is audio out for the dock mode, which only my dock doesn't fit the electric requirement?
julianfong said:
I found my Note 4 have dock mode with the old dock for other Samsung's phone. But doesn't work with the audio out.
Have anyone know the purpose of the dock mode for the Note 4?
Or there is audio out for the dock mode, which only my dock doesn't fit the electric requirement?
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Does your Note 4 have the "Audio output mode" setting in Settings, General, Accessory, Dock? That's what tells it to use external speakers when it's docked.
Does it output via hdmi? 720p, 1080p?
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Also, is it an official Samsung dock?
Official Samsung Multimedia Dock (for Note 2 & 3)
I have verified that my official Samsung multimedia dock works EXCEPT that the standard audio out jack does not appear to work.
HDMI audio works in both stereo and surround mode. Video is output at 1080 30P.
Has anyone tried it with the plain OEM desktop dock (EDD-D200BEGSTA) that just has audio output? I wonder if the Note 4 doesn't handle all of the extra outputs of the fancier one (EDD-S20JWEGSTA).
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Does your Note 4 have the "Audio output mode" setting in Settings, General, Accessory, Dock? That's what tells it to use external speakers when it's docked.
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The option does not appear to be available on the Note 4?
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The option does not appear to be available on the Note 4?
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Correct! This is one reason I went back to a Note 3 for now.
If you search you'll find that this has been discussed at length in several other threads. I'll sum up here for you though- basically the Note 4 at this time does not support audio out over USB the way the previous gen Galaxy devices did. This means it won't work with the desktop docks or with the car docks/cables that split audio and charging on one cable. Essentially any device that tries to provide both audio and charging simultaneously through the usb port will not work. The Note 4 WILL support audio over USB with a USB OTG cable and a DAC, but you can't charge while using them.
However, Android 5.0 Lollipop does have audio out over USB included as a standard feature, so it's quite possible that once we get the 5.0 update this will begin to work. I haven't been able to find any solid proof, but my suspicion is that Samsung knew that 5.0 would have this feature included and so they just didn't bother to build it in to the initial release of the Note 4 (interestingly the S5 also suffers from this). Why take the time to develop a feature that's already being included in the first software update anyway? Again it's just my own personal theory, but I wouldn't be surprised to have this feature start working once we get Lollipop.
Anyway, a simple search of the forum will turn up a bunch of other info on this, take a minute to look!
With Lollipop now, this feature does not work. Could be a hardware limitation.
I believe it has something to do with the Fast Charging capability.
Standard USB uses only 2 pins for power, meaning either of the remaining pins can be utilized for audio, probably the data+ pin, or possibly the second ground pin.
However with fast charging, the data+ and data- pins are used to communicate with the charging controller, so they can't be used as audio out. This seems to be the case, as an old "faster" charge cable I made way back does not work with Fast Charging. (the cable was made by an old common trick where you short the 2 data pins in the USB A side, essentially telling the phone no data was going to be used, just charging."
I have the Multimedia Dock as well, and I noticed that limitation when I got the phone. Though honestly it didn't bother me all that much, as the Note doesn't like to stay in it anyways, and I rarely used the audio out.
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I believe it has something to do with the Fast Charging capability.
Standard USB uses only 2 pins for power, meaning either of the remaining pins can be utilized for audio, probably the data+ pin, or possibly the second ground pin.
However with fast charging, the data+ and data- pins are used to communicate with the charging controller, so they can't be used as audio out. This seems to be the case, as an old "faster" charge cable I made way back does not work with Fast Charging. (the cable was made by an old common trick where you short the 2 data pins in the USB A side, essentially telling the phone no data was going to be used, just charging."
I have the Multimedia Dock as well, and I noticed that limitation when I got the phone. Though honestly it didn't bother me all that much, as the Note doesn't like to stay in it anyways, and I rarely used the audio out.
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I bet you're right, but I don't know of any other phones that have audio out to compare against. For example the Nexus 6 supports dock mode for Daydream, but I haven't found any docks that can activate it.
How to activate Dock Mode
I discovered that with the app called "Smart Connect" you can customize what apps will activate based on what peripheral device is connected. You can set this up for the usb dock, 3.5mm input, etc. You can control what happens when something is connected and when it is disconnect. You don't need root either. This isn't perfect, I still preferred the way the Note 2 and 3 worked but it does help.
Youtube video on this issue
we go over this in our video on YouTube, no go on the audio out for the Note 4.
Luke @ Galaxy Tech Review
degeiso said:
we go over this in our video on YouTube, no go on the audio out for the Note 4.
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The dock could be used to attach usb dac to phone and to charge phone at the same time, right?
The question is: will usb dac & charge work at the same time if I connect dock to low level usb power cable? e.g. if I connect dock to car charging adapter?
We unfortunately do not have a USB dac to test this.
Yes i can confirm that using a usb dac with smart dock obviously does work.
The only thing that does not work as it was said before is the dock audio jack.
My dack is my best workaround solution so far.
I'm hoping that with the new USB Type-C connector and Power Delivery 2.0, someone will finally make my ideal type of DAC for phone use in the car:
USB input for powering DAC from cigarette lighter adapter (2.1A)
USB input/output for connection to Type-C jack on phone - phone sends digital audio to DAC, and phone simultaneously charges at (relatively) high power thanks to Power Delivery 2.0
3.5mm audio line out - connect to car AUX input
Currently the DACs I find that come closest to meeting this are the FiiO E18 and the Creative Labs E5, but both add a lot of expense and complexity in trying to be everything to everyone (internal battery for portable use, headphone amp with volume control, etc.). Reviews also state that using them with a phone while also charging the phone can be very touchy.
Is anyone else looking for something like this, or have ideas about where it can already be found? I'm not averse to using a portable DAC in the car, but I want the phone charging to be pretty bulletproof. :good:
I use this with my Nexus 5 and a USB OTG Host cable. I have a Nexus 6P on the way, and I'm hoping it will still work with a just a micro-USB to USB-C adapter for the Nexus 6P. It works very well now, with the downside that the phone doesn't charge when used this way . I read that that was a hardware limitation in the Nexus 5. Maybe the Nexus 6P will charge while sending USB audio, I don't know.
DAC:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO4X4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
USB HOST CABLE:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C452XFO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
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I don't know of a product that matches what you described. I have the OPPO HA-2, but in terms of inputs and functionality, it's much the same as the SoundBlaster and FIIO DACs. I don't see how you can charge your phone at the same time you USB output the audio to one of these devices. Using the analog jacks defeats the purpose.
While I think the setup you described would be good, I think we are probably a year or two away from anything like it. I've noticed a trend in the audiophile world of slow adoption of new things such as USB Type-C. If the market proves me wrong, I'm OK with that! I just don't have high expectations for something like this anytime soon.
Also, I think a better alternative would be an aftermarket deck for your car with a USB input for simultaneous charging / USB audio connectivity straight to the sound system. Skip the external DAC and analog headphone jacks all together. Maybe something with Android Auto on it. Again, adoption of Type-C is probably going to be very slow in this product category, but that would be something I'd like to see!
Besides, audio always seems to limited by the weakest link in the chain. Factory car speakers are just terrible, although I'll admit they've gotten better in the last 4 or 5 years. Why go through the pains of setting up an extravagant DAC setup when the speakers won't make it sound any better? Unless you DO have better speakers, in which case, never mind.
May I ask why the 3.5mm analog out from the phone is not sufficient if your car already has an analog input? What is this buying you?
I have an old 2005 Acura TL with a kickass stereo (DVD-A), but no external inputs. I just installed a Grom Audio AND2 that gives me USB stick, Android and a 3.5mm Analog capability. Mine is running in Satellite Radio Emulation mode to give me Song, Album and Artist info in the display.
As newbie, I can not be helpful and add a link but you can Google Grom Audio and click the compare kits link.
The holy grail for me is automotive systems that will take USB or SD cards and actually have as much functionality as a free app on the play store! Most automotive entertainment system developers are so clueless, they should have their balls crushed in a vice and then be fired! The whole naming audio files "01-Artist-Album-Title" came about because automotive systems won't read metadata tags and support playlists.
Techno Trousers said:
I'm hoping that with the new USB Type-C connector and Power Delivery 2.0, someone will finally make my ideal type of DAC for phone use in the car:
USB input for powering DAC from cigarette lighter adapter (2.1A)
USB input/output for connection to Type-C jack on phone - phone sends digital audio to DAC, and phone simultaneously charges at (relatively) high power thanks to Power Delivery 2.0
3.5mm audio line out - connect to car AUX input
Currently the DACs I find that come closest to meeting this are the FiiO E18 and the Creative Labs E5, but both add a lot of expense and complexity in trying to be everything to everyone (internal battery for portable use, headphone amp with volume control, etc.). Reviews also state that using them with a phone while also charging the phone can be very touchy.
Is anyone else looking for something like this, or have ideas about where it can already be found? I'm not averse to using a portable DAC in the car, but I want the phone charging to be pretty bulletproof. :good:
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May I ask why the 3.5mm analog out from the phone is not sufficient if your car already has an analog input? What is this buying you?
I have an old 2005 Acura TL with a kickass stereo (DVD-A), but no external inputs. I just installed a Grom Audio AND2 that gives me USB stick, Android and a 3.5mm Analog capability. Mine is running in Satellite Radio Emulation mode to give me Song, Album and Artist info in the display.
As newbie, I can not be helpful and add a link but you can Google Grom Audio and click the compare kits link.
The holy grail for me is automotive systems that will take USB or SD cards and actually have as much functionality as a free app on the play store! Most automotive entertainment system developers are so clueless, they should have their balls crushed in a vice and then be fired! The whole naming audio files "01-Artist-Album-Title" came about because automotive systems won't read metadata tags and support playlists.
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I have a 05 TL in Blue with the tan interior and the GPS.
My dad got the 12 TL and the seats are not as comfortable
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gwertheim said:
I have a 05 TL in Blue with the tan interior and the GPS.
My dad got the 12 TL and the seats are not as comfortable
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My 05 TL is also Navy Blue with British Tan leather. Now it has a Grom Audio and I am a fairly happy camper. I used to burn DVD-A discs with about 7 CDs on each and use the "Group" feature. So the 6 disc changer gave me about 42 CDs. BTW, I used Cirlinca DVD-Solo to make and burn DVD Audio Disks.
dwswager said:
My 05 TL is also Navy Blue with British Tan leather. Now it has a Grom Audio and I am a fairly happy camper. I used to burn DVD-A discs with about 7 CDs on each and use the "Group" feature. So the 6 disc changer gave me about 42 CDs. BTW, I used Cirlinca DVD-Solo to make and burn DVD Audio Disks.
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We have the exact same car
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Hi, everyone. Thanks so much for the responses, I really appreciate it. To answer some questions and hopefully clarify things:
Why do this? In my 2007 Honda Civic, I upgraded the speakers just after I bought the car (Boston Acoustics) but left the head unit alone, to get maximum sound quality bang for my buck. I currently have a Galaxy S4, and can take advantage of analog audio out via USB with a special iBolt cable (It operates very similarly to the old 30-pin iPod to analog out cables, if you can picture that).
Via experimentation, I've found that increasing order of sound quality is:
Connection from headphone output to AUX in
Connection from USB analog audio out to AUX in (via iBolt cable)
USB digital out over OTG cable to external DAC, DAC AUX out to car AUX in
Option 3 is far and away the best sound quality. It's a very noticeable difference--as good as playing a CD in the head unit. I will use this option with the Nexus 6P no matter what, but I'd like to be able to charge the phone at the same time, especially on long road trips while using navigation and playing audio. Both the USB Power Delivery specification 2.0 and Android Marshmallow make reference to being able to charge USB host devices, so the missing link is what the best DAC would be to achieve that. It may be that the phone itself will be able to decide whether to draw or output power, which would be ideal if the DAC recognizes and respects that choice.
As for the question about why not get a new head unit? This is an older car, and it's frankly not worth the expense and effort to do that at this time. I'll definitely be looking for Android Auto as a feature in any new car I consider down the road, however.
Techno Trousers said:
Connection from headphone output to AUX in
Connection from USB analog audio out to AUX in (via iBolt cable)
USB digital out over OTG cable to external DAC, DAC AUX out to car AUX in
Option 3 is far and away the best sound quality. It's a very noticeable difference--as good as playing a CD in the head unit. I will use this option with the Nexus 6P no matter what, but I'd like to be able to charge the phone at the same time, especially on long road trips while using navigation and playing audio. Both the USB Power Delivery specification 2.0 and Android Marshmallow make reference to being able to charge USB host devices, so the missing link is what the best DAC would be to achieve that. It may be that the phone itself will be able to decide whether to draw or output power, which would be ideal if the DAC recognizes and respects that choice.
As for the question about why not get a new head unit? This is an older car, and it's frankly not worth the expense and effort to do that at this time. I'll definitely be looking for Android Auto as a feature in any new car I consider down the road, however.
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The GROM kit I bought allows me to play music from USB stick, connect the phone via USB and drive it from the car interface, and aux in. The USB3 kit allows you to add a Bluetooth. I prefer the music on the USB stick. Better connecting a $5 stick than a $500 phone.
The 6P is not USB-PD compliant in that it does not support the PD profiles. 15W (5V/3A) is not a PD spec. It is a Type C spec. Supposedly it uses the control channel in the type C cable/connector but no one knows how far it goes. Some suggest that it will allow reversing power flow. It should allow both data flow and power flow, but it is not a full implementation of USB-PD and is still only USB 2.0 compliant. It should allow charging while connected as long as the host it is plugged into will provide power. At what rate is the big question. Most assume it will drop to legacy 5V 1.5A.
Thanks, dwswager, that's good info. I have a Grom Audio unit in my wife's Mazda, which lacks an AUX in. I'm not 100% happy with it because it tends to lose the ability to get digital audio from the phone, and she needs to reload a config file from a USB stick to reenable that.
I do tend to think that all of this will get worked out in the end. I'm a bit of an edge case, I admit. I do have some good stopgaps now, at least for the non-charging case. That Turtle Beach mini DAC is quite intriguing at only $20. At that price it's worth taking a chance.
I hope we can keep this thread alive as we start to discover what works and what doesn't. November can't get here soon enough!
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Thanks, dwswager, that's good info. I have a Grom Audio unit in my wife's Mazda, which lacks an AUX in. I'm not 100% happy with it because it tends to lose the ability to get digital audio from the phone, and she needs to reload a config file from a USB stick to reenable that.
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Assume you have spoken to GROM. Also will assume you flashed the latest firmware update to your wife's unit. The downside on the AUX input is that it uses a proprietary DIN-4 connector and the cable they supply has a male 3.5mm end. So if you want to mount a female 3.5mm jack in the dash you have to use an extra F/F adapter because the jacks are all wired with 3.5mm male ends. They also make an aux cable with both 3.5 and USB female so you can charge and output analog audio at the same time. You also get standard 5V 1.5A via the USB port in the AND2, USB3 and the ipod only number.
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Thanks, dwswager, that's good info. I have a Grom Audio unit in my wife's Mazda, which lacks an AUX in. I'm not 100% happy with it because it tends to lose the ability to get digital audio from the phone, and she needs to reload a config file from a USB stick to reenable that.
I do tend to think that all of this will get worked out in the end. I'm a bit of an edge case, I admit. I do have some good stopgaps now, at least for the non-charging case. That Turtle Beach mini DAC is quite intriguing at only $20. At that price it's worth taking a chance.
I hope we can keep this thread alive as we start to discover what works and what doesn't. November can't get here soon enough!
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In terms of audio quality, the Turtle Beach DAC is a serious improvement over just using the 1/8 in. out of the phone. I will say that the Bass response is HUGE coming out of the Turtle Beach, so I usually eq the bass down a couple notches on the car stereo. That said, it really is an amazing improvement in sound quality for very little investment. (I'm a musician, so I tend to fixate on these things.)
By the way, I bought this cable to extend the reach of my OTG / Host cable,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HAOKCE8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
It's interesting that the seller says USB OTG cables do not support charging.
"This cable is what is known as an OTG, or On-The-Go cable. USB On-The-Go is a specification that allows USB devices such as digital audio players or mobile phones to act as a host, allowing other USB devices like a USB flash drive, digital camera, mouse, or keyboard to be attached to them. These cables do not support charging or syncing of devices. "
bump.
Has anyone found a portable solution to charge phone and offload digital audio to a DAC?
I'm happy to say that the phone works great with my Sony UDA-1 dac/amp (both audio and charging), but it runs off of mains voltage.
I'd even be happy with any single cord solution for simultaneous charging and audio output.
Alright, lemme clear some stuff up here.
For most phones, yes a USB DAC provides better quality than what comes out of the headphone jack and also more volume (doubters can just live on in ignorant bliss :good
On my LG G2, at least, the OTG Y-cable linked earlied charged the phone (although it didn't actually seem to indicate it was charging) and worked with the DAC at the same time
The same cable, when converted from micro USB to USB C and used with the 6P, seems to only be providing charging, the DAC is not working
I will see if I can find anything in the logs or whether there's anything else I can do, maybe bypassing the Y-cable to see if the DAC works at all with the 6P.
Yeeesss yes please, if you or anyone else happens to get a DAC working with the Nexus 6P, please let us all know. I love my 6P, but I definitely miss my setup with my OnePlus One + USB DAC to car AUX...
Is anyone else noticing that audio is downsampled to mono when using Nexus 6p + USB DAC?
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Is anyone else noticing that audio is downsampled to mono when using Nexus 6p + USB DAC?
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No, not at all.
There's also noticeably less noise through the DAC compared to my old Galaxy Note 3.
Which DAC are you using?
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No, not at all.
There's also noticeably less noise through the DAC compared to my old Galaxy Note 3.
Which DAC are you using?
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this
http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Beach-Advantage-Digital-Adapter/dp/B0036VO4X4
it worked fine with my nexus 5.
what are you using?
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Bri81 said:
No, not at all.
There's also noticeably less noise through the DAC compared to my old Galaxy Note 3.
Which DAC are you using?
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also, I installed the trial version of USB Audio Player Pro , and I was able to get stereo sound (though limited to the interface of that app and only local files). So there is something really weird happening software wise . . .
Well I tried a USB C to A converter, and my DAC is working fine with the 6P with that. But no charging at the same time, of course.
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Adapter-Chromebook-MacBook-Compatible/dp/B00WJSPWRM/
Zorloo is making their earbuds for type C soon. They have built in dacs.
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Hello to all. waiting for dac essential adapter to be released, what other dac could be paired with the phone? thank you. I use Google translate.
I've used the following with success on my Essential PH-1 (great sound quality): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LCFCBY4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
cabegol said:
I've used the following with success on my Essential PH-1 (great sound quality): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LCFCBY4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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thanks .
cabegol said:
I've used the following with success on my Essential PH-1 (great sound quality): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LCFCBY4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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pretty hefty price. thanks for posting.
Also, beware of the product. Recent customer comment suggests there is no more support from the company and they took everything down.
derausgewanderte said:
pretty hefty price. thanks for posting.
Also, beware of the product. Recent customer comment suggests there is no more support from the company and they took everything down.
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Here are my USB DAC/BT adapters:
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Fiio BTR1 - Bluetooth Adapter (~$49) - uses AK4376 DAC/AMP. Warm, natural sound. Plenty of power for most IEMs, ear buds and most headphones. Uses AptX, AAC, BT 4.2
Sabaj DA2/SMSL Idea USB DAC (~$69-99) - uses ESS9018K2 DAC/AMP and XMOS USB. Very neutral, balanced sound, though a bit cold sounding. Comes with USB-C, MicroUSB and USB-A adapters.
Essential PH-1 Adapter - the one that comes in the box. It's surprisingly pretty good for a stock add-on. It has good power for most IEMs and buds. Doesnt have enough power for my planar headphones.
Google Pixel 2 Adapter - $9 - It's readily available and cheap. It doesnt provide as much power as the stock Essential adapter. It's thinner sounding because of this. Will probably work for most portable buds and IEMs but definitely not enough juice for more power hungry headphones.
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derausgewanderte said:
pretty hefty price. thanks for posting.
Also, beware of the product. Recent customer comment suggests there is no more support from the company and they took everything down.
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site works: https://www.nexum-design.com/aqua
I have a creative E5 DAC in my truck and an creative X7 limited edition on my desk both work great with all my phones honestly. Although most of the time I use them BT both work great USB too
Thanks! Very usefeul
minotauri said:
Here are my USB DAC/BT adapters:
Fiio BTR1 - Bluetooth Adapter (~$49) - uses AK4376 DAC/AMP. Warm, natural sound. Plenty of power for most IEMs, ear buds and most headphones. Uses AptX, AAC, BT 4.2
Sabaj DA2/SMSL Idea USB DAC (~$69-99) - uses ESS9018K2 DAC/AMP and XMOS USB. Very neutral, balanced sound, though a bit cold sounding. Comes with USB-C, MicroUSB and USB-A adapters.
Essential PH-1 Adapter - the one that comes in the box. It's surprisingly pretty good for a stock add-on. It has good power for most IEMs and buds. Doesnt have enough power for my planar headphones.
Google Pixel 2 Adapter - $9 - It's readily available and cheap. It doesnt provide as much power as the stock Essential adapter. It's thinner sounding because of this. Will probably work for most portable buds and IEMs but definitely not enough juice for more power hungry headphones.
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Thanks so much for posting this!
One few disappointments with the PH-1 aside from the well known camera issues has been the DAC issue. I find the Essential adapter to be clean, but even with a set of highly efficient IEMs (Shure 215s) the lack of power is quite noticeable. Today I also discovered another annoying quirk of the Essential adapter - with the volume level at 0, but a media player active you will here a rhythmic slow click.
For the heck of it I tried my ancient Fiio E07K Andes USB DAC with a collection of USB adapters. No luck. But this particular DAC has always been fussy about what Android phones it would work with. I did try running the PH-1 DAC through the analog amplifier on it and it was a noticeable improvement.
I had hoped to pick up the Google headphone adapter when it became available again, but now I think I'm going to pass thanks to your work.
I'd prefer something small and passive - I'm thinking about possibly trying the HTC Adapter. (Sorry first post - can't link - it's available on their US site for $11. My issue with it and all of the DACs that are from phone manufacturers is the ability or inability to push firmware. For example, the PH-1 pushed a firmware update to the DAC the first time I plugged it in.
TimboC2000 said:
Thanks so much for posting this!
One few disappointments with the PH-1 aside from the well known camera issues has been the DAC issue. I find the Essential adapter to be clean, but even with a set of highly efficient IEMs (Shure 215s) the lack of power is quite noticeable. Today I also discovered another annoying quirk of the Essential adapter - with the volume level at 0, but a media player active you will here a rhythmic slow click.
For the heck of it I tried my ancient Fiio E07K Andes USB DAC with a collection of USB adapters. No luck. But this particular DAC has always been fussy about what Android phones it would work with. I did try running the PH-1 DAC through the analog amplifier on it and it was a noticeable improvement.
I had hoped to pick up the Google headphone adapter when it became available again, but now I think I'm going to pass thanks to your work.
I'd prefer something small and passive - I'm thinking about possibly trying the HTC Adapter. (Sorry first post - can't link - it's available on their US site for $11. My issue with it and all of the DACs that are from phone manufacturers is the ability or inability to push firmware. For example, the PH-1 pushed a firmware update to the DAC the first time I plugged it in.
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I get the clicky sound using the Sabaj DA2 dac I posted about too. It's finicky on connection. I find that if I plug it in, press Play, it will click on initial play. Then remove and replug in, it'll work fine.
minotauri said:
I get the clicky sound using the Sabaj DA2 dac I posted about too. It's finicky on connection. I find that if I plug it in, press Play, it will click on initial play. Then remove and replug in, it'll work fine.
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I've noticed if you simply "wait it out" it will stop clicking most of the time as well.
On a related note I've been playing around trying to get better sound out of the DAC that comes with the PH-1. I've used Poweramp for years with good results. As a paid user you get access to his new Ver 3.0 beta. He has some features for USB DACs, but while decent I've found the Onkyo HF Player available on Google Play gives noticeably better results. The paid version has all kinds of options for upsampling and various formats. Even the free version sounds significantly better. I wish it had the UI and organizational options of Poweramp, however.
With the Onkyo App I was able to determine that the PH-1 DAC is made by Conexant. Conexant makes two USB-C DACs. Since the one in the Essential phone only samples to 48kHz it is most likely the cheapest one they make, the Conexant CX20985. (Article on AnandTech - "Conexant Introduces USB-C Digital Audio Compliant Chips" for more details. I don't have enough posts to link.)
does anyone know if Razer phone's DAC will work on the essential phone?
Hi all just received VIOTEX USB C earphones from Amazon and it's pretty good for $10 also it sounds good too.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06Z...l&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=viotex+usb.
If that helps anyone but no mic for phone call.
picked up this for use connecting the phone to my car stereo: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076BKRX1N/
works just fine. Just got this phone a week ago on the sprint deal, like it so far. Coming from a Nexus 5X so I do miss the 3.5mm jack.
Just bought this:
USB C to 3.5mm Pixel 2 / HTC Noise Cancelling Jack External Audio Stereo Cable Universal, LIOOTECH Type C to 3.5mm Adapter with DAC Chipset inside for Google Pixel 2/XL, Essential PH-1, LG, HTC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778QKKFJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_Jw2lAbGGH1YS2
Says it will work with the PH-1. Will report back after I test.
khushg said:
does anyone know if Razer phone's DAC will work on the essential phone?
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People on Reddit says it doesn't work
EDIT: Those people were wrong. It should work.
minotauri said:
Here are my USB DAC/BT adapters:
From Left to Right:
Fiio BTR1 - Bluetooth Adapter (~$49) - uses AK4376 DAC/AMP. Warm, natural sound. Plenty of power for most IEMs, ear buds and most headphones. Uses AptX, AAC, BT 4.2
Sabaj DA2/SMSL Idea USB DAC (~$69-99) - uses ESS9018K2 DAC/AMP and XMOS USB. Very neutral, balanced sound, though a bit cold sounding. Comes with USB-C, MicroUSB and USB-A adapters.
Essential PH-1 Adapter - the one that comes in the box. It's surprisingly pretty good for a stock add-on. It has good power for most IEMs and buds. Doesnt have enough power for my planar headphones.
Google Pixel 2 Adapter - $9 - It's readily available and cheap. It doesnt provide as much power as the stock Essential adapter. It's thinner sounding because of this. Will probably work for most portable buds and IEMs but definitely not enough juice for more power hungry headphones.
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Do you know if any of these adapters might work with a Paypal Here reader or ELF emmit? The stock one doesn't.
I can also confirm that Pixel 2 Adapter works, but it is only recognized at 48kHz. This means many of my music files are re-sampled. OTH, the DAC that comes with the Essential phone recognizes multiple sample rates including 44.1kHz so no re-sampling. I'll be curious about how the LIOOTECH works!
Good news - I just found the thread on Reddit - Razer DAC appears to be working. It was user error - the headphone plug wasn't fully seated in the adapter.
12paq said:
Just bought this:
USB C to 3.5mm Pixel 2 / HTC Noise Cancelling Jack External Audio Stereo Cable Universal, LIOOTECH Type C to 3.5mm Adapter with DAC Chipset inside for Google Pixel 2/XL, Essential PH-1, LG, HTC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778QKKFJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_Jw2lAbGGH1YS2
Says it will work with the PH-1. Will report back after I test.
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How's it working for you? Is it worth it for about $18 dollars?
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How's it working for you? Is it worth it for about $18 dollars?
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It works great. However, I bought it during a flash sale and got it for $12.95.
Sabaj DA3
I can also confirm the Sabaj DA3 works as well.
It's a bit big and bulky. I bought for use with a HTPC, but it was easy enough to plug in to check with the PH-1. I still don't have enough posts add a link unfortunately.
I also managed to force reboot the PH-1 with it using the Onkyo HF player and up-converting to DSD 512 format. It was rather interesting - happened as soon as I got an email and the phone vibrated. Not sure if it was power related or the OS thought the phone was pegged at 100% and forced a restart. Have had zero issues with simple PCM up-converting or bit-streaming.
I may get the Razer one. I don't mind using the one that came with my phone but I want one that will have a bit better audio quality than the stock one not to say that the audio isn't good from it