Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8./LINUX !!
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Now we will be concentrating on Linux. it Will be easier.
Please use this thread for discussing Linux on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1
Thanks for reading !
Nitro_123 said:
Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8.
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Thanks for reading !
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much like apple windows 8 is closed source. Thats pretty much the end of the thread. Without a way to compile, edit the operating system and know what changes your making its just not a undertaking many will accept.
@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?
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@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?
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well quite honestly your talking about porting windows to a device. Our device comes with android and you want to port windows to it instead. So on our device there are parititons chuncks of data of varying sizes allocated to hold a small part of the code that runs our phone. from ramdisk to the radio. The issue on its surface, we dont know how that partition table lines up with a different device.(which the partition table can and most likely is, completely different) and because winodws 8 is closed source we dont know how it boots, or how to edit the imstaller to ensure the os gets copied over the correct partitions. if porting were as easying as just flashing what ever you want and then changing some things to tweak it i'm sure you'd see hundreds of ports in a day or two. Unforntatley it really kinda sucks
The partitions are the biggest problem. We could in theory also boot from the SD card and as a result bypass all the android stuff and get it dual-booting but first we need to know how we can boot windows
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@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
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Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) " 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER ( NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD ) contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out http://reboot.pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd
@trevd @wranglerray Thanks so much for the input
This shouldn't really be too hard to do for an experienced dev IMO but I don't have mcuh experience with all this stuff
The stuff that has been done to the HD2 was a lot harder I think but Cotulla still managed to make a custom bootloader and boot WP7 things like that
Thanks again for the comments
@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try
Nitro_123 said:
@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try
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As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.
dale_para_bajo said:
As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.
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@dale_para_bajo EXACTLY my friend. You stole the words right out of my mouth
Objective: Get Linux booting. SD card way is better.
Any updates on this?
SharpnShiny said:
Any updates on this?
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It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.
calden74 said:
It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.
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Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.
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Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.
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Even if Windows RT aka an ARM optimized ISO, was downloadable, it COULD NOT be used on Tab 3 10.1
Because this Tab doesn't have an ARM CPU, it have a x86 (32Bits) CPU. So better get a x86 ISO. I also got the same idea (like many other Tab 3 10.1 users). But the dream is NOT going anywhere. Also, Android apps are honestly BAD OPTIMIZED for this CPU ! That's why the Tab lags.
I sold mine and have bought a Tab 7.7 w/ SuperAmoled HD Screen but I broke its screen and can't now find any replacement in my region
Our best chance would be:
Ability of instally Windows 8 into a single .IMG file like Windows XP has been installed !
However, QEMU and KVM refuses to install Windows 8 into a VM idk why !
The RAM of the Tab is also a bit low to run Windows 8 inside Android.
If only a Great Dev could port or create "The Multi-boot bootloader" for Tab 3 10.1 as done on Nexus 7, then I won't waste my money buying a Windows 8 Tablet again since I would manage to install Windows 8 natively, whatever happened !
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Can this work?
trevd said:
Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) "* 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER (* NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD )* contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out httpdouble slash)reboot(dot)pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase** @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd
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I am new to the forum but not windows and android though not advanced but do you think that getting those files in the 100mb partition and making an ext2 image of them with slight modifications to fit in the architecture and flash the image as a recovery image?
or perhaps we could use rom manager and by creating a virtual rom composing of windows and boot them via the rom manager tool.
or perhaps we could use grub or a similar tool to boot into an image file or sdcard with windows installed on it and flash the grub files onto the recovery partition but some one with advanced info please confirm all these possibilities!
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Hit thanks if I helped, its not that tough
Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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yes but
Nonta72 said:
Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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Dani515 said:
Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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i think it's possible
check this out starting at angel_666's post #18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2589370&page=2
finding out where the flag checking starts and finishes would probably make the third stage boot
more realizeable. i directly flashed both grub and then plop to recovery block and got nowhere,
so it's mmcblk0boot0 or mmcblk0boot1, i haven't found anything in param===>/dev/block/mmcblk0p16 yet
and if p5210 has the little kernel burnt onto the chip setup, from my understanding of what i've
read it's a really basic/small/simple setup so even if the flag was there and unchangeable we should
still be able to get past it somewhere else, right?
Really ?
Dani515 said:
Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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I firstly got this idea and have posted here on XDA about it :good:
Look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2682603
However, mine was about running Windows 8 inside Android
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Done already?
Hello,
I have found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070139
If you read further, you can find almost complete solution for archlinux natively on Note 10.1. WIth multiple fixes/scripts. Any reason why it cannot be done on tab3 10.1? I'm asking because I might try to compile proper kernel and prepare some distribution as tablet provides power that ends up completely wasted by android.
Hello all,
I want install Ubuntu to my tablet Asus Transformer TF101 as dualboot with Android. I found a lot of topics about this, but all are very old (about 3 years) and links for tools are down. Could you help me what way - tool, approach is appropriate in this time? I found several ways for Windows/Linux OS with different tools, I can use Windows or Linux - it does not matter, but I can not find currently right way and tool. Thanks for advices.
I don't think that there is "right way" for such dualboot. "Kexec" should do that, but as far as I know, there were no success of using it with TF101. However, there is "wrong" (but still working) way to reach similar result.
It is possible to create blob that flashes kernel/initrd of linux/android disto and reboot afterthat. It is one-time solution, however and it will require to flash same blob again after OS boot, but it is still better that nothing.
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Hello,
i've got Asus T100TA and I have both Windows and Android on that device. Already its Console OS, beacause it can run most of apps (ARM translation), but I can't install gapps on Console OS. I have tried a lot of ways to achieve that. I have manually copied gapps files to /system or use apks that download and install all files, finally i tried apps like flash gordon or flashify to flash it without recovery but all methods didnt work. Also tried to install android x86 but ARM apps didnt worked, even when tried add libhoudini. Could you give me some advice how to achieve that Android with gapps and ARM support?
I just figured out that in Marshmallow Android x86 in settings is option "Apps compatibility", i've seen it before but it didnt work. I've turn slider on , make reboot and now its working, but im curious what i need to do to install gapps in console OS
I have recently inherited an Asus TF101 EEEpad and have spent ages trying to find a way to root, install a custom ROM or a lightweight linux on it. Most of the links on this forum seem to have expired or don't work. I got root to work eventually with Kingo Root (at least the Root Checker app says the device is rooted). TWRP crashes frequently and reports 'no recovery partition found' if I try to flash.
Also, I don't seem to be able to reach APX mode. I have tried holding down the power and vol up buttons, but there is no sign of the device when i do 'adb devices' in native OS X or my Windows virtual machine.
Has anyone flashed this device / installed a new OS recently? I would like to run Lubuntu or maybe Arch with LXDE if this is possible...
Any pointers welcome.
Asus EeePAD TF101
comiconomenclaturist said:
I have recently inherited an Asus TF101 EEEpad and have spent ages trying to find a way to root, install a custom ROM or a lightweight linux on it. Most of the links on this forum seem to have expired or don't work. I got root to work eventually with Kingo Root (at least the Root Checker app says the device is rooted). TWRP crashes frequently and reports 'no recovery partition found' if I try to flash.
Also, I don't seem to be able to reach APX mode. I have tried holding down the power and vol up buttons, but there is no sign of the device when i do 'adb devices' in native OS X or my Windows virtual machine.
Has anyone flashed this device / installed a new OS recently? I would like to run Lubuntu or maybe Arch with LXDE if this is possible...
Any pointers welcome.
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Hi.
I'm in the same case of you.
Try to find older file to be able to make the dual boot possible on this old tablet.
But in vain all interessting files are not reachable or i have got "error 404" not found on the download pages.
Try to contact the creator of the OLIFE script and i'm waiting.
if you have news on it tell me.
I will try to apply a second MOD - ADD a HDD on it = like a member done before - the pictures are not avaible but i have understand the process and i like to make DIY.
And another MOD = integrate a 3G or 4G key in it.
Best regards.
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Did anyone manage to get anywhere with this?
I had issues with APX too, but after installing Universal Naked Drivers on Win 10 I managed to get TWRP on and then KatKiss 6.0 (Android) on.
Really interested in learning how to get Ubuntu Touch or any distro really on if anyone's still listening to this thread.
This might be of interest to anyone still looking to put a Linux Distro on to the TF101, PostmarketOS: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_Pad_Transformer_(asus-tf101) which is based upon Alpine I think. Instructions here: https://github.com/antonialoytorrens/TF101-linux-images/blob/master/README.md
acor_uk said:
This might be of interest to anyone still looking to put a Linux Distro on to the TF101, PostmarketOS: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_Pad_Transformer_(asus-tf101) which is based upon Alpine I think. Instructions here: https://github.com/antonialoytorrens/TF101-linux-images/blob/master/README.md
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Yes, indeed as you say. I do maintain this repository and a Linux distro on this tab is the way to go. It allows you to install updated software and bring it back to life. The GPU is not working, unfortunately, but it's very useful if you want to do lightweight tasks. You have to do some tweaks to get there but it's worth the result if you want to tinker with it.
By the way, I have collected as much as possible about the TF101 (before XDA migrated to the new infrastructure) and I uploaded it here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tf101-linux-images/files/