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Samsung Announces Exynos 5250 SoC, 2GHz A15 Dual-Core

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Samsung has just unveiled a new System-on-chip (SoC) for future mobile devices. It’s the Exynos 5250 that boasts two Cortex-A15 chips clocked at 2GHz. The dual-core Exynos 5250 is created using a 32nm-low power HKMG process and is said to double the performance when compared to a 1.5GHz dual-core SoC based on Cortex-A9.
In addition to improved processing performance, Exynos 5250 features graphics performance improved by four times compared to Cortex-A9-based Application Processors, supports stereoscopic 3D displays and a display resolution of up to WQXGA (2560×1600).
Samsung says the new Exynos chip will be used in high-end tablets and will be mass produced sometime in the second quarter of next year.
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http://sammyhub.com/2011/11/30/samsung-unveils-cortex-a15-2ghz-exynos-5250-soc/
I have a feeling this will run circles around Tegra 3.

Killer Bee said:
http://sammyhub.com/2011/11/30/samsung-unveils-cortex-a15-2ghz-exynos-5250-soc/
I have a feeling this will run circles around Tegra 3.
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Damn, I just posted it in the Galaxy S3 rumor page.
Yea, you are right. It will run circles and a few squares and rectangles around any A9 SoC.

4x the Mali-400MP eh, I guess that means a new GPU. I wonder which one since the Mali-T604 won't be out until 2013.

Could be S3 material, the timing (Q2) matches.
Perhaps the GPU is the SGX543's successor ?

a strong mobile and i will have a buy ..

Initially this SoC will be available to Galaxy series Tablets and not for Smartphones.....

Killer Bee said:
4x the Mali-400MP eh, I guess that means a new GPU. I wonder which one since the Mali-T604 won't be out until 2013.
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T604 & T658 will arrive next year in devices according to this blog...
http://blogs.arm.com/multimedia/626-launching-mali-t658-“hi-five-eight-welcome-to-the-party”/

Nigma2k said:
T604 & T658 will arrive next year in devices according to this blog...
http://blogs.arm.com/multimedia/626-launching-mali-t658-“hi-five-eight-welcome-to-the-party”/
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I'd like the T604 to be in the Exynos 5250 but that gpu was said to be 10x more powerful than the Mali-400, something Samsung would probably state if that was were the case.
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nice, maybe i will buy it

I'm thinking a Mali T604 in the 4412 and SGX 543 MP4 in the 5520. They recently announced that they have a license for 5 series MP

Killer Bee said:
I'd like the T604 to be in the Exynos 5250 but that gpu was said to be 10x more powerful than the Mali-400, something Samsung would probably state if that was were the case.
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T658 will be 10x Mali 400, so t604 is more inline with what Samsung are saying.

iPad 3 with A5 S? It's been mention it'll have a higher resolution and it's been mentioned that its coming soon.

Put one in a galaxy tab and give me some xda devs making firmware for it and i'll get it.

The Dogan said:
iPad 3 with A5 S? It's been mention it'll have a higher resolution and it's been mentioned that its coming soon.
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Who made the processor ? Samsung ? I don't think so
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thats gonna be a crazy phone

EmoBoiix3 said:
Who made the processor ? Samsung ? I don't think so
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I thought it was based on theirs? Just with some tweaks for iOS and all that.
EDIT: Just checked wikipedia and it says the A5 is manufactured by Samsung. If it's manufactured by sammy then I'd say there's a pretty good chance it's based on their tech.

No its actually apple that designed it and sent the blueprints to SAMSUNG to make.
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Looks really nice, thanks!

Kailkti said:
No its actually apple that designed it and sent the blueprints to SAMSUNG to make.
$1 gets you a reply
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Aren't they at war ?
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I wonder how much it will overclock

Samsung Galaxy S3 on AnTuTu

Anyone else have Galaxy S3 specs on AnTuTu benchmark? I was running some tests and saw this...
Sorry for the quality, took with my Focus Flash.

All the specs look good except for the 4212 Exynos processor. Isnt that Samsungs dual core processor with no embedded LTE?

Hmmm.....it seems there will be really a 1.4Ghz processor within. They are considering to improve the OS before they go for more hardware......
I hoped for little more juce.....

Red5 said:
All the specs look good except for the 4212 Exynos processor. Isnt that Samsungs dual core processor with no embedded LTE?
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yeah, that was the one they announced back in september, people thought it would be in the gnex I think

Red5 said:
All the specs look good except for the 4212 Exynos processor. Isnt that Samsungs dual core processor with no embedded LTE?
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Red5, didn't expect to see you here.
But yeah, you're right. Even though it's dual core, it seems to have better battery consumption than the Galaxy S II chip and "50% better GPU performance."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4900/samsung-talks-about-32nm-15ghz-exynos-soc
Edit: Just submitted this thread to Engadget. Let's see if they bite...
Edit2: Yup, found it through AnTuTu as well. It says "Certified Configuration" if that means anything.

Previous leaks have been of a quad-core phone, how does this being a dual core chip make any sense?
Edit: also the 4212 is clocked at 1.5 ghz, why is this reporting it at 1.4?

tehh4ck3r said:
Previous leaks have been of a quad-core phone, how does this being a dual core chip make any sense?
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Not at all! Or it's again dust in the wind? Soon we'll know

I think this is fake, i don't believe that Samsung could launch the Galaxy S3 with a dual-core A9 at this time... the previous leaks points to a quad-core processor - Exynos 4414.
This also could be one of the samples used for tests...

I it's true it sucks and won't really be able to compete with the IP5. Or are they aiming to smoke the now old IP4s? ... Not that impressive at all.

If it's true i think i would buy the HTC ONE X (Tegra3)

So if I overclocked my GNote's gpu I would get similar performance? If so then it looks like I'll be keeping my Note for another year.
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According to the bar graphs in antutu, the S3 would be just a bit under twice as powerful as the Note - which runs dual A9s at 1.4GHz also. The 32nm Mali-400s have been clocked 50% higher, which is the main performance difference - and that wouldn't go anywhere near explaining the massive overall performance gap. However that combined with an additional two A9 cores seems fairly realistic.
Either it's a complete fake, or it's just mislabeled - and is actually a 4412. Since this is reality, I'd lean towards the former.

Sjael said:
According to the bar graphs in antutu, the S3 would be just a bit under twice as powerful as the Note - which runs dual A9s at 1.4GHz also. The 32nm Mali-400s have been clocked 50% higher, which is the main performance difference - and that wouldn't go anywhere near explaining the massive overall performance gap. However that combined with an additional two A9 cores seems fairly realistic.
Either it's a complete fake, or it's just mislabeled - and is actually a 4412. Since this is reality, I'd lean towards the former.
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You can overclock an S2 or Note's GPU to 400mhz with Tegrak OC Ultimate, which is double the stock 266mhz.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2975835/samsung-14gz-exynos-4-quad-processor-next-galaxy?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
So it's quad core but still Mali-400 at 400mhz.
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Yep. Seems like AnTuTu didn't know what chip it was so they reported it as a 4212.

tehh4ck3r said:
Yep. Seems like AnTuTu didn't know what chip it was so they reported it as a 4212.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndtvyTPIx3Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player
In the video they compare Exynos 4 dual vs quad and the quad is labeled as Exynos 4212 so it seems Antutu was correct.
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It seems that Samsung change the name of the chips, see this http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_announces_new_quadcore_exynos_4_quad_processor-news-4160.php.
4212 - Quad-Core
4210 - Dual-Core
Now the name on the Antutu makes sense.

Which processor is better?

Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?

RUSSIAN787 said:
Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?
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Better for what? Performance, energy saving, games on mobile phone? Quad-Core vs Dual-Core?
I'd prefer Quad-Core, but have never find a good test or benchmark for it.
Best regards
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RUSSIAN787 said:
Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?
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Is your question in regards to the sgs3? The Mali has a better gpu but processing power they are about equal with all the bench marks. Quad core is nice for aaving battery power (more cores work less as hard as a dual or single core so it it uses less battery) but I think its a a9 architecture but the s4 is a a15 architecture which is much more optimized then a a9 so its a little bit better for battery.
And the s4 allows for 4g lte where as Mali does not.
And the s4 pro is coming out soon and the lg optimus g will have that which will probably destroy both of them out of the water.
S4 pro is a a15 quad core with adreno 320 gpu and will be the first quad to support 4g lte.
The optimus g has all the same specs as sgs3 expect it has the better cpu/gpu. Ram, screen size, resolution as well as internal memory are all the same and I think its SD card slot allows for a 64gb card as well. If it comes out for Verizon then I will be torn between that and the sgs3. Depends on dev support if It comes out on Verizon.
But for the Mali its one up is it gpu. S4 one up is 4g lte. Every thing else is marginal and as an end user you will not see the difference.
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Yes I to sgs3. In terms of what the processor is better? in games for example? In general, whether with MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 go to Exynos?

Hi dude! both processors are good! And dont forget about A6(Iphone5). Sry for iphone 5 but that processor is ammazing!

RUSSIAN787 said:
Yes I to sgs3. In terms of what the processor is better? in games for example? In general, whether with MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 go to Exynos?
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The exynos is better for hardcore 3d gaming, but otherwise you won't notice the difference in day to day and casual gaming.
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FEXTEZI said:
Hi dude! both processors are good! And dont forget about A6(Iphone5). Sry for iphone 5 but that processor is ammazing!
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Doesn't matter because since its an iPhone its scaled back to "improve stability" so you will never get its full potential just like iphone 4s is.
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qualcomm did not much inferior to Exynos?

In most of the reviews of US and international S3, Exynos scored more than snapdragon. But I believe, normal user will not feel much difference.

I had one with Exynos in hand. Pretty good.

i think the Exynos is very good

Post you benchmarks!!! SD800 vs Exynos Octa

Guys be appropriate and post your benchmarks!!
I'll do mine when I get it!!!
Thanks

as I read on Android Authority, Samsung confirmed that new Exynos 5 Octa will be able to use all eight cores simultaneously after installation of a software patch...
let's wait what this will lead to :laugh:

theguardian99 said:
as I read on Android Authority, Samsung confirmed that new Exynos 5 Octa will be able to use all eight cores simultaneously after installation of a software patch...
let's wait what this will lead to :laugh:
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I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.

You will still get more results than the SD800, but it comes with a killup of features.. as recording is not possible on exynos at 4K

CLARiiON said:
I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.
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Even if the clocks are higher on the snapdragon processeor ,the octa have an a15 architecture which is faster than the snapdragon's krait 400.

My main concern is Exynos Octa core overheating & lags/freezes in it . Please do put a remark on the same, while posting Benchmarks for Octa Core .

NoteboyTech said:
You will still get more results than the SD800, but it comes with a killup of features.. as recording is not possible on exynos at 4K
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i dont think 4k really matters to people. i'm pretty sure not many people own a 4k tv/monitor. and if they do they probably would want a real camera to record it with. with OIS.

The sweet thing about the Exynos 5420 is that it uses a Mali T628 MP6 instead of the PowerVR SGX544MP3 like the 5410 used. Also sound quality should be better on the Exynos variant because it should be using a wolfston DAC. Since the Exynos one does not have LTE I will be stuck with the Snapdragon variant.
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Exynos score on antutu

Passmark benchmark anyone?
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CLARiiON said:
I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.
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Bad Exynos 5410 is caused by CCI. It will cause lag and bad battery life. It fixed in Exynos 5420. Good battery life and good performance.
I'm hand-on S800 and Exynos 5420 version and can't find out who better.
S800 is better in graphics? Nope. The same. In benchmark, 3DMark for example, high VGA memory is used to store texture. In S800, 512MB is configurated to VGA. And in Exynos 5420, it just 320MB. (Some ram is used in LTE/HSPA baseband, touchscreen,...). Result is S800 is better in offscreen benchmark due to a lot texture is stored in ram. But in on-screen or free ram, Exynos 5420 are much better. After 3 hours of use, ram used is bumped up to 2,2-2,3GB in Exynos 5420 but i can't see any lag because free ram is 400MB but in S800 (my friend), he feel some lag, free ram only 100-200MB. Clean up ram and it will be ok.
Battery in 2 version is the same. Difference not too much to notice.
But, note 3 is just a note. We use it because we can store and note everything, not simple to benchmark it.

hiepgia said:
In benchmark, 3DMark for example, high VGA memory is used to store texture. In S800, 512MB is configurated to VGA. And in Exynos 5420, it just 320MB.
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Just to clear things up since you guys keep mentioning this: Video memory is not part of the reserved memory.
The increased memory buffers on the Snapdragon likely are going to the camera and other such things as 4K recording.

AndreiLux said:
Just to clear things up since you guys keep mentioning this: Video memory is not part of the reserved memory.
The increased memory buffers on the Snapdragon likely are going to the camera and other such things as 4K recording.
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Hii Andrei am waiting for your wonderful kernel hope u build one perseus like u built for note 2 and s4

bhasg1007 said:
Hii Andrei am waiting for your wonderful kernel hope u build one perseus like u built for note 2 and s4
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I don't have a Note 3 and I won't get one myself.

AndreiLux said:
I don't have a Note 3 and I won't get one myself.
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Sorry to bother, but is that a confirmation that you won't be able to support Note 3 like you did Note 2? I do understand the hardware is different this time round...
Thanks!
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SD800
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Verizon LG G2 S800 Antutu score. I don't have my Note3 yet and I wanted to join in.
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Has anyone determined whether or not the S800 is a 8974 or 8974AB?

servantz said:
Has anyone determined whether or not the S800 is a 8974 or 8974AB?
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This
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Octa in the N3 Supports HMP (use of all 8 cores)

There was a bit of a scandal with the Octa SGS4 because it was discovered that Exynos 5410 only supported one of the two big.LITTLE operating modes. There are two: migration mode (1-4 A7 cores or 1-4 A15 cores running at the same time) and heterogeneous multi processing mode (HMP) where 1-8 cores can be running at the same time. The new Exynos 5420 chip in the N3 now supports HMP which should really improve high-end performance. We'll have to see what it does to battery life.
This is a good explanation of what was wrong in 5410 (SGS4) and what's new in 5420 (N3)...
http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...ta-can-use-eight-cores-simultaneously-267316/

I have a feeling it will end up being a success. It might even being what's put into the S5. I'm sure it might be an upgraded version of it but it will mainly be the same chip.
Right now the most powerful chip is the S800. I'm not sure about the new Octa-Core as far as being more powerful but it could definitely be more efficient. That's soon going to be what people want as you only need so much power for a phone. I'm sure Samsung will implement there own envelope tracker down the road but from what I've read. There new Octa-Core going in the Note 3 doesn't have one. The S800 version of the Note 3 is the only phone to date to have one. If it works as well as they say. It will be great.
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So its running 4 A7s+ 4 A15s at one go? 4 express and 4 normal lanes?
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Are you sure intl Note 3 is going to get 5420? Samsung says end of Q4 and Note 3 is coming this 25th.
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willstay said:
Are you sure intl Note 3 is going to get 5420? Samsung says end of Q4 and Note 3 is coming this 25th.
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That's like 5 days from Q4!
The main issue with 5410 is certain hardware constraint. For 5420, it's just a matter of software upgrade. Exynos Dev AndreiLux has mentioned it a few times.
It will never have HMP.
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The only thing needed from Samsung is a working MCPM backend which we already have on the 5420. Getting HMP working is a matter of upstreaming the kernel core to 3.11 and that's it. I'm talking about the 5420 here as that's just a matter of software, not 5410 where it's physically not possible.
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