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Hello xda,
I'm a big fan of the Ubuntu distro and I want to buy a smart-phone for the sole purpose of installing Ubuntu onto it. Unfortunately, I do not know much about the capabilities of phones out there.
I've scoured these threads trying to find an Android Phones (or any phone) that people had success with and I haven't been able to come to a firm decision.
I simply want a smart-phone with a QWERTY keyboard and powerful hardware (+1Ghz CPU & +500Mb RAM) that can run Ubuntu smoothly.
The best one I've found so far is HTC Desire Z, but many seemed to have difficulties. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723493)
Any input?
Eh... nothing aside from the HD2 can run it smoothly, sorry.
I'm running Ubuntu nicely on the HTC G2 Vision running Virtuous v0.9.0
Only major quirk is you have to use the htc_g540976a kernel which means no overclocking
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Please give your vote based on your actual OS on your device and not the one you wish to have or think it´s the best.
If you have more than 1 device vote for the one you most frequently use.
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Wow 14,483 amazing
im using android. makes me feel smart and techie though im not.
windoes 6.5 but would have android
iOS for now but think of buying an Android phone.
Android, specifically cm7 nightly
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Had XPERIA X1, now on a Nokia N97 mini because SE refused to repair my X1.
iOS4life. </sarcasm>
Running android though
HD 2 Windows7 and Android 2.21
Vibrant 2.3 Android
Like Android the best
I am using Windows mobile
Android...
My Optimus V is android-native (upgraded to CM7 with zefie Xionia kernel,) which I do use for phone functions and browsing; but for the past week or so I've been running Debian (first squeeze now sid) on it...
first a chroot while experimenting and getting Squeeze set up, now no chroot needed, can run Debian apps straight from the terminal, and non-driver-required functions. 3G Net access works. Haven't messed around with the wifi or bluetooth in Debian yet since I don't use 'em much.
working on getting x11 running native, since VNC access is slow and bites (works but no sound and gnash gives me a blank frame. I want flash compatibility, blast it!.) Anyone wants to help with native X on the Optimus V, let me know.
I'd post a howto and scripts and such, but I haven't hit my 10-post count yet here on XDA because of the limits on where I can post and I'm not gonna spam post just to get my count up. Why waste space spamming so I can post in appropriate locations just 'cause there's a protection against spammers which would force me to either spam or post silly/unimportant data? Once I eventually hit 10 posts in some way I feel is appropriate to do it, I'll put up a howto for anyone interested.
Android 2.2.1 Custom Rom I tried that garbage called Gingerbread but it was awful :/
Android. Device in signature says it all
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I'm currently using GB 2.3.2 Juwe's rom.
Have just moved over from N900 with Maemo to Pongsters HyperGBX and am much happier
I'm using HD2 with android too
Android
Darky's edition
OS
Trigger 2.8 with Overstock 1.5
My battery life has never been better!
Android CM7 2.3.3
The dual-form nature of this item would fit a dual-boot scenario perfectly. Boot into Android when used as a tablet, boot into Ubuntu when docked. Just curious as to the possibility of this.
As far as I know, Ubuntu supports ARM architecture, so the Tegra 2 chip should work well with it. Ubuntu 11.04 was just released with the integrated Unity interface, which looks wonderful with the touchscreen: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/
The Unity 2D interface should fly on the Tegra 2, even if the Unity 3D mode lags.
Now I know that on the Xoom, we were able to run Ubuntu on a VNC server and connect to it locally, but that is obviously not an ideal solution, due to VNC's weakness, and the general inefficiency of it.
Are there any devs working on something like this so far? I am sure there would be a very sizable audience for something like this. I'd be happy to do any necessary testing, and I'm sure more will as well. I also wouldn't mind taking this as an opportunity to get involved with the dev community (I have a thorough background in CS, just no experience with this specifically), I'd be happy if anyone were to take me under their wing. =)
You're not the only one hoping for this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1053641
I was just thinking about this yesterday. Dual booting Ubuntu and Android would make this the perfect device for me.
i would also love the ability to run linux on mine
I'm tempted to wait until this is guaranteed to happen before buying this thing. I need a new portable device for developing on the go, and I also want and need a Honeycomb device for testing apps and casual content consumption.
At the same time though, if anyone knows of a site or thread dedicated to making this dual-boot happen (similar to the dedicated Toshiba AC100 page here http://tosh-ac100.wetpaint.com/page/Ubuntu ), I wouldn't mind learning all about it and potentially help if I can, so please share.
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There are some devs who definitely pulled this off on the Atrix and I had Ubuntu on my phone so I'm sure we can get it on the transformer. I'll try to find them and see if similar methods can be used.
It'll take years but I don't see why it wouldn't work. If I can do this on my old ass wm6.5 phone then it's possible on the TF!
Maybe it wont take years, but more of these tablets have to hit the market. Still so many people waiting on their preorders, me included.
I think that there might be quite the interest in making this happen. I remember reading somewhere that Ubuntu allready runs on the Tegra2, so why should it be far into the future before we see it running on the Transformer?
Sorry for any typos. I have fat fingers, a 4" screen, a small child and a dictionary gone wild...
here's to hoping
So far i'm quite impressed with this little tablet. It crunches bytes as fast as i can throw them, and customizing it was easy enough. Although with the dock station and Tegra 2 it does feel more like a netbook than a tablet.
Android 3.0 IMO is the best compromise between a desktop and mobile phone OS. Although it's expandability is not quite what i would wish it to be. Possibly once more developers gear their programs for the higher resolutions and more powerful CPUs this will change. For now dual booting Ubuntu and Android would be perfect.
I'm on board with any project coming about to make this happen, and would offer up my hardware and feedback for beta testing. Hope to see a dedication in this direction soon!
Has anyone tried the method in the xoom development forums?
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gordec said:
Has anyone tried the method in the xoom development forums?
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I haven't seen the post, but I'm assuming you mean VNC?
Zach Alt said:
I haven't seen the post, but I'm assuming you mean VNC?
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Yeah, it's VNC. That's not that hard, we're talking about straight booting INTO Ubuntu.
i have this image from my desire, which boots linux xlde (or something) i cant get it to connect to that image. Pockecloud just get Server disconnected.... maybe another image.. actually that was loading it from removable MicroSD, im now going to try copying to the internal memory "SDCARD" as that would be what the script would have orignally been setup for. I will post results as soon as this has finished pasting the files...
EDIT: still cant get this to work, seems like terminal is ending too quickly which i think means the loopback memory doesnt work, i think thats how it works anyway.
No lock with WYSE pocket cloud or android vnc, i think we need another build for honeycomb, well not so much the OS but the Tegra chip instead.
ubuntuforums.org
There is a thread over at ubuntuforums.org regarding this matter, though they have a different take on it.
One of the posts state:
Re: Asus Eee Pad Transformer
I plan to get one (not available in my region yet, plus I hear there'll be a 3G version next quarter) and install Ubuntu on it, albeit with KDE/Gnome instead of Unity.
There's not technical reason it can't run Ubuntu, it's just a matter of getting the boot loader working. The instructions seem simple enough, although dual booting with Android might be a little more challenging.
If anyone does get one and install Ubuntu on it, please let us know how it goes.
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Maybe it's not all that farfetched getting Ubuntu to run on this device, or any other Tegra2 base tablet.
The original thread can be found at:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741103&highlight=eee+pad+transformer&page=1
looks like dual booting may be fairly difficult; I wouldn't mind soloing ubuntu touch os on mine...
I think dual booting may be difficult, but I think chain booting (right terminology?) from Android first and then into Ubuntu would probably be possible.
I don't think many people understand how hard it will be to create a bootable version of Ubuntu. VNCing is easy for the most part.
Would it be possible to use the motorola xoom guide to get ubuntu running with vnc on the eee transformer?
Sorry for any typos. I have fat fingers, a 4" screen, a small child and a dictionary gone wild...
Is the VNC version that bad? Is it very slow or the picture is not full color? I'd like to use it maybe for Open Office (or something lighter) and some programming in text editor.
Looks like there has been significant progress on this. backtrack has been released for arm.. its a security-centric distro, but its built on an ubuntu base.
I'm downloading the img now.. dont know about dual boot though. guess someone needs to port grub over first =)
I cant post links....but a search for 'backtrack5 xoom' should get you there.
Is there a way to get a webOS ROM and G1 or HTC Magic? I believe the webOS SDK (https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1788) is opensource like Android is.
Android is open sourced, but drivers for network connections aren't... There is no way to port web os for android devices... (if i'm not mistaken)
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Android is open sourced, but drivers for network connections aren't... There is no way to port web os for android devices... (if i'm not mistaken)
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They are both Linux based so why not pull the wireless from android and port it to webOS?
Drivers belong to f.e. HTC/Motorola, so there is no way to pull them from OS in usable (uncompiled) version. I think if it could be possible, there would be a lot of linux based ROMs first (like for some siemens old devices)...
It's a kind of defense from ideas like yours...
This is what I said to someone who asked this Q, but about WP7...
"Porting it to Android phones is illegal, the only exception is porting WP7 to other WinMo phones only....This is the same reason why WebOS can't be ported to other phones, you will get a C&D from Microsoft or worse if you attempt to have the OS on non-Windows phones. WP7, WinMo, WebOS, and iOS are all closed-sourced, unlike android you can't have those OSes on any device."
Now WebOS has some things that are open, but it's not fully open like Android. HP wouldn't allow such a thing, if you've try porting WinMo/WP7 , or another closed OS, you'll be told to quit it. The SDK isn't there for people to port it to other phones, but to develop apps, and other things for the pre line and other Webos native devices....And WebOS would be to slow on the 1st Gen Android phones...It was slow on the Pre 1, so it'll be slower on a 528MHz too. It's finally good on the 2nd Gen snapdragon, but look how big the Cpu Gen gap is...
sickleman said:
Drivers belong to f.e. HTC/Motorola, so there is no way to pull them from OS in usable (uncompiled) version. I think if it could be possible, there would be a lot of linux based ROMs first (like for some siemens old devices)...
It's a kind of defense from ideas like yours...
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Can a CM wireless module be edited to work with webOS? Like a webOS and CM merged rom for G1 and HTC Magic. Like some of the gingerbread roms for sapphire.
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This is what I said to someone who asked this Q, but about WP7...
"Porting it to Android phones is illegal, the only exception is porting WP7 to other WinMo phones only....This is the same reason why WebOS can't be ported to other phones, you will get a C&D from Microsoft or worse if you attempt to have the OS on non-Windows phones. WP7, WinMo, WebOS, and iOS are all closed-sourced, unlike android you can't have those OSes on any device."
Now WebOS has some things that are open, but it's not fully open like Android. HP wouldn't allow such a thing, if you've try porting WinMo/WP7 , or another closed OS, you'll be told to quit it. The SDK isn't there for people to port it to other phones, but to develop apps, and other things for the pre line and other Webos native devices....And WebOS would be to slow on the 1st Gen Android phones...It was slow on the Pre 1, so it'll be slower on a 528MHz too. It's finally good on the 2nd Gen snapdragon, but look how big the Cpu Gen gap is...
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WP7 is closed sourced that is the big deference.
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Can a CM wireless module be edited to work with webOS? Like a webOS and CM merged rom for G1 and HTC Magic. Like some of the gingerbread roms for sapphire.
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I don't think so... There was new type of java developed for Android (dalvik-java). I don't know how the WebOS is written, but it's not the same programming language for sure. Crossprogramming/crosscompiling is like copy polish text to english homework. Trust me, it won't work at all.
Dokładnie jak teraz, nie sądzę, żebyś cokolwiek z tego co tutaj piszę zrozumiał, ale i tak pozdrawiam Ciebie, jak również innych polaków korzystających z XDA.
But there is one possibility to run WebOS on our devices! You have to write everything on your own. If you want write new drivers for network/gps/camera/etc modules you have to know how they are communicating with each others, and have a lot time and skills and informations (like datasheets for all microcontrollers in device) for writing all starting from nothing...
(There are problems in porting Honeycomb for other than originally supported devices... If it is so hard, about WebOS i think you can forget...)
Ofcourse everything is possible (like MacOSx on f.e. AMD or Atom based processors), but not everything is profitable. There have to be some issues causing HP abandon WebOS (and making it worst from other OSs) (I'm speculating, I don't know how WebOS is working and how is to work on WebOS..).
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WP7 is closed sourced that is the big deference.
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I know what I'm talking about...WebOS is closed sourced...You can't port it to non-palm/HP devices at all...It's not legal...
http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/292920-we-need-team-port-webos-android-devices.html
If you don't believe goto that thread, or make a new one asking the question, the pal devs will tell you it can't be done.
So there is no way to get Android to look like webOS.
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So there is no way to get Android to look like webOS.
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There are themes that were made very very long ago, doubt you'll find them again. However the "wave launcher" from WebOS is on Android, on the market.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-team-forced-to-pull-palm-pre-theme-20090814/
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There are themes that were made very very long ago, doubt you'll find them again. However the "wave launcher" from WebOS is on Android, on the market.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-team-forced-to-pull-palm-pre-theme-20090814/
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Have been looking for the theme as well http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251829
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Will this now be possible now that HP has open sourced WebOS?
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Since WebOS is open source this is very "do-able", hell they ported Android to the iPhone, why not WebOS to an Android Device?
I heard ubuntu is officially being ported to phones, from factory. I was wondering if anyone might work on a port for the p500? Also, as a sidenote, i technically have a p509 but since i flashed the baseband and did something else it always says its a p500 in my settings. Is this an issue? When flashing roms does it matter if i pick p500 or p509 roms?
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I heard ubuntu is officially being ported to phones, from factory. I was wondering if anyone might work on a port for the p500? Also, as a sidenote, i technically have a p509 but since i flashed the baseband and did something else it always says its a p500 in my settings. Is this an issue? When flashing roms does it matter if i pick p500 or p509 roms?
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The p500 doesn't have enough juice to fully enjoy Ubuntu. Especially with unity.
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ok, and what do u think the cheapest phone that will be able to run it smoothly will be? preferably a tmobile or att&t as im with straight talk.
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ok, and what do u think the cheapest phone that will be able to run it smoothly will be? preferably a tmobile or att&t as im with straight talk.
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Nexus 4 probably
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ok, and what do u think the cheapest phone that will be able to run it smoothly will be? preferably a tmobile or att&t as im with straight talk.
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Ubuntu was introduced on Galaxy Nexus, witch is a dual core, so I think it will do on every dualcore with 1gb ram to run smooth mobile version of Ubuntu
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The p500 doesn't have enough juice to fully enjoy Ubuntu. Especially with unity.
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Said that about JB. Runs just fine.
Ubuntu and "unity" are basically a launcher and some apps running over a dalvikless CM10.1. There are loads of knockoff launchers on Play to play with and the phone has not problem running them. The "unity" here has little to do with the unity desktop on a desktop. That is based on Gnome-3 while the phone Ubuntu is running QML, QT4. 17 meg library--can compile apps and play with this stuff right now. (Check on kde-apps.org)
Ubuntu will have natively compiled apps instead of the Dalvik-Java mess. If correctly compiled for our hardware, they should run better. Want to try a sample? Install the Vire launcher and see. There is life without Java after all.
However, they will certainly not even think of supplying us with an image. Our heroic young (or older) devs will have to roll their own for us. What I would like to see is a version that has Dalvik. There are (will be for quite a time) just a handful of basic apps for Ubuntu phones and there are just too many useful Android apps to simply abandon. Do not expect to simply run apt-get and use the rich app repository available for Ubuntu/Debian Linux.
However, have a big-enough sdcard (>3 gig to spare, I mean dedicate)? Debian with an Xfce desktop can be installed and used along with Android. Vnc-ing a real desktop. There is an XDA forum for this! Better get swap back into our kernels first!
Canonical only provides images for Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, Nexus 7 and Nexus 10. There are other images from XDA (you can see them in Ubuntu Touch's wiki). There Samsung Galaxy S too.
Anyway, I won't hope. If we haven't Firefox OS which is much more lightful, we won't see Ubuntu.
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Said that about JB. Runs just fine.
Ubuntu and "unity" are basically a launcher and some apps running over a dalvikless CM10.1. There are loads of knockoff launchers on Play to play with and the phone has not problem running them. The "unity" here has little to do with the unity desktop on a desktop. That is based on Gnome-3 while the phone Ubuntu is running QML, QT4. 17 meg library--can compile apps and play with this stuff right now. (Check on kde-apps.org)
Ubuntu will have natively compiled apps instead of the Dalvik-Java mess. If correctly compiled for our hardware, they should run better. Want to try a sample? Install the Vire launcher and see. There is life without Java after all.
However, they will certainly not even think of supplying us with an image. Our heroic young (or older) devs will have to roll their own for us. What I would like to see is a version that has Dalvik. There are (will be for quite a time) just a handful of basic apps for Ubuntu phones and there are just too many useful Android apps to simply abandon. Do not expect to simply run apt-get and use the rich app repository available for Ubuntu/Debian Linux.
However, have a big-enough sdcard (>3 gig to spare, I mean dedicate)? Debian with an Xfce desktop can be installed and used along with Android. Vnc-ing a real desktop. There is an XDA forum for this! Better get swap back into our kernels first!
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I was not talking about Ubuntu touch -___- (it might run Ubuntu touch someday unofficially)
I'm talking about Ubuntu desktop.
I have run Ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 and i do enjoy it. It will be quite good once it moves away from being a chroot over cm.
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I was not talking about Ubuntu touch -___- (it might run Ubuntu touch someday unofficially)
I'm talking about Ubuntu desktop.
I have run Ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 and i do enjoy it. It will be quite good once it moves away from being a chroot over cm.
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According to a linux over android thread, there is no (ready-made) Ubuntu image for Armv6. One can, however install Debian. A full gnome3 (Unity is based on that) or KDE dektop would be to heavy so comes with XFCE or such. Desktop is run using VNC.
Need at least 3gig available on the sdcard to get started.
Best have an Android ROM with swap enabled in the kernel.
Guys, could someone please tell me how ubuntu is going to be different from android in function? I mean in actual use? I'm a newbie......
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Guys, could someone please tell me how ubuntu is going to be different from android in function? I mean in actual use? I'm a newbie......
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read here http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
some interesting thoughts http://www.c-integration.com/blog/s...sons-why-ubuntu-phone-will-never-beat-android
I think that on a tablet, Ubuntu will make sens, but on a phone I am not so sure, maybe on Note2
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http://www.c-integration.com/blog/showpost.php/75-5-reasons-why-ubuntu-phone-can-blow-away-android
to grow up takes time, cheers to UBUNTU, maybe the next step in mobile experience, but in a few years
Thanks bro. That was enlightening
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Trust me I tried Ubuntu on my nexus 4 and was not impressed by their work. Really hard to navigate. And also no apps. Difficult multitasking and so on. It looks all clean and cool on the video but in reality it is over confusing
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Dovidhalevi said:
According to a linux over android thread, there is no (ready-made) Ubuntu image for Armv6. One can, however install Debian. A full gnome3 (Unity is based on that) or KDE dektop would be to heavy so comes with XFCE or such. Desktop is run using VNC.
Need at least 3gig available on the sdcard to get started.
Best have an Android ROM with swap enabled in the kernel.
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I have the space, but I don't know if swap is enabled in the kernel. Can I get a how-to to run Debian with XFCE please? It'll be fun