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AT&T announced the release date of Samsung Captivate. I am trying to decide if I should return my Aria and get the Captivate. Anyone here has comment on that?
Given that Aria is now rootable, side-load apps possible and I know I can install non-AT&T approved apps from the Marketplace. I would like to know the chance of getting this capabilities on the Captivate.
You should be able to sideload apps using the backflip method if nothing else. Partially I plan on sticking with the aria though, I have had problems with Samsung in the past plus their support has a habit of not being up to par.
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saint168 said:
AT&T announced the release date of Samsung Captivate. I am trying to decide if I should return my Aria and get the Captivate. Anyone here has comment on that?
Given that Aria is now rootable, side-load apps possible and I know I can install non-AT&T approved apps from the Marketplace. I would like to know the chance of getting this capabilities on the Captivate.
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I'm in the same boat. Got my Aria on Friday as I was sick of waiting on the lack of news from AT&T on the Captivate. Might have to do the 30 day swap. The Galaxy S was already rooted so it seems logical that this has too.
saint168 said:
AT&T announced the release date of Samsung Captivate. I am trying to decide if I should return my Aria and get the Captivate. Anyone here has comment on that?
Given that Aria is now rootable, side-load apps possible and I know I can install non-AT&T approved apps from the Marketplace. I would like to know the chance of getting this capabilities on the Captivate.
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I'm in the same boat. Got my upgrade coming soon and I need some more info on the rooting and side-loading of the Captivate.
While my Aria is still within the return policy when the Captivate comes out, I plan to keep my Aria. I enjoy having a small device that can actually fit in my pocket and can last a whole day on a charge. Plus the Aria is much more attractive in the aesthetics department in both looks and interface.
Shad0wguy said:
While my Aria is still within the return policy when the Captivate comes out, I plan to keep my Aria. I enjoy having a small device that can actually fit in my pocket and can last a whole day on a charge. Plus the Aria is much more attractive in the aesthetics department in both looks and interface.
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The Aria is a lot more attractive with a large, already established ROM/rooting community but the Captivate has a faster processor (doesn't always mean faster performance) and a larger/nicer screen. Its a real toss up for me.
MendedEagle said:
The Aria is a lot more attractive with a large, already established ROM/rooting community but the Captivate has a faster processor (doesn't always mean faster performance) and a larger/nicer screen. Its a real toss up for me.
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Toss up for me, too, but leaning towards the Captivate. I played with the Aria at my local AT&T store and was impressed - until I compared a Web site on the Aria to the iPhone (no, I have no interest in the iPhone!!!) and the iPhone screen was significantly brighter - even after increasing the Aria's brightness to the max. Plus, a compact phone is good in some ways but lacking in others. And with 4 major carriers getting the Samsung Galaxy S variants, there will be no lack of forum interest / activity.
Jack45 said:
Toss up for me, too, but leaning towards the Captivate. I played with the Aria at my local AT&T store and was impressed - until I compared a Web site on the Aria to the iPhone (no, I have no interest in the iPhone!!!) and the iPhone screen was significantly brighter - even after increasing the Aria's brightness to the max. Plus, a compact phone is good in some ways but lacking in others. And with 4 major carriers getting the Samsung Galaxy S variants, there will be no lack of forum interest / activity.
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I think it's all going to come down to a side-by-side comparison in the store between the Aria and Captivate when I decide to upgrade at the end of the month.
I love the HTC Sense UI but I'm not totally hating the UI on the Captivate. And the pre-installation of Swype is definitely a plus for the Captivate....even though there are now multiple side-loading techniques out there for the Aria.
I hate it when it's time to decide on a phone...such a headache trying to make sure I get the best phone for me....
MendedEagle said:
The Aria is a lot more attractive with a large, already established ROM/rooting community but the Captivate has a faster processor (doesn't always mean faster performance) and a larger/nicer screen. Its a real toss up for me.
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Surely you jest?
The Hummingbird processor is simply superior to any other mobile processor available right now, especially due to the graphics chip it's coupled with.
The Aria has a significantly lower clocked Qualcomm processor, which almost automatically eliminates the ability/potential for upcoming-gen mobile games.
I can respect the preference for a slightly smaller screen, but I find it very, very difficult to justify the Aria over the Galaxy S due to its Super AMOLED screen, which is (like the Hummingbird regarding procs) superior to all others available.
If AT&T decides to lock up the Captivate, I'll just buy a true, unlocked Samsung Galaxy S i9000.
Of course, if AT&T were to lock it up, my last act of defiance might instead be to forget it all and switch to Sprint for the Epic 4G (its flavor of the SGS).
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Surely you jest?
The Hummingbird processor is simply superior to any other mobile processor available right now, especially due to the graphics chip it's coupled with.
The Aria has a significantly lower clocked Qualcomm processor, which almost automatically eliminates the ability/potential for upcoming-gen mobile games.
I can respect the preference for a slightly smaller screen, but I find it very, very difficult to justify the Aria over the Galaxy S due to its Super AMOLED screen, which is (like the Hummingbird regarding procs) superior to all others available.
If AT&T decides to lock up the Captivate, I'll just buy a true, unlocked Samsung Galaxy S i9000.
Of course, if AT&T were to lock it up, my last act of defiance might instead be to forget it all and switch to Sprint for the Epic 4G (its flavor of the SGS).
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Yeah, just a joke. The Captivate is obviously the stronger of the two phones.
I don't know if anyone is able to tell right now but I'm pretty new to this thing right now but do you know how long it might take to get a root/side-load procedure for the Captivate? That might seal the deal for me if there's enough rooters/side-loaders/custom ROM makers for the Captivate upon me getting it...
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Yeah, just a joke. The Captivate is obviously the stronger of the two phones.
I don't know if anyone is able to tell right now but I'm pretty new to this thing right now but do you know how long it might take to get a root/side-load procedure for the Captivate? That might seal the deal for me if there's enough rooters/side-loaders/custom ROM makers for the Captivate upon me getting it...
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The Galaxy S has been rooted a long time ago. I'd imagine the same rooting procedure applies to the Captivate. Also, AT&T's dumbass no-sideloading lock is stupid easy to get around and works the same way regardless of the phone you have. You can either just download whatever program you want to install and issue an 'adb install <filename>' command with your android sdk tools, or you can modify your settings.db file and reboot your phone as per the instructions here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=708408
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The Galaxy S has been rooted a long time ago. I'd imagine the same rooting procedure applies to the Captivate. Also, AT&T's dumbass no-sideloading lock is stupid easy to get around and works the same way regardless of the phone you have. You can either just download whatever program you want to install and issue an 'adb install <filename>' command with your android sdk tools, or you can modify your settings.db file and reboot your phone as per the instructions here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=708408
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Oh Okay then. I'm new to the whole rooting/hacking Android thing so I didn't know that the same Galaxy S rooting procedure would work (I knew that the Captivate was in the Galaxy S family but...ehh, I dont know what was going through my mind).
And I also did not know that the same sideloading hack worked on all Android phones.
Thank you.
I have my Aria showing up tomorrow in the mail and was also thinking about the fact that this phone might be around the corner when I ordered it. For me I think the Aria is gonna be fine for me. I could use saving the money now and I found with my iphone that I don't really like to play anything other than simple games on the phone so I think the CPU power won't deter me that much. Also I'm not into recording videos so I won't be missing out on the 720p much.
I guess as far as it goes for me I just want to get away from my iphone3g.
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Yeah, just a joke. The Captivate is obviously the stronger of the two phones.
I don't know if anyone is able to tell right now but I'm pretty new to this thing right now but do you know how long it might take to get a root/side-load procedure for the Captivate? That might seal the deal for me if there's enough rooters/side-loaders/custom ROM makers for the Captivate upon me getting it...
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Quite honestly, I'd love a straight vanilla android ROM.
I hate custom UIs- Sense, TouchWiz, whatever. I hate them all.
That being said, do you guys think it'd be too much to ask to get that on there?
Might Samsung even be magnanimous enough to allow you to turn off their TouchWiz UI?
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Quite honestly, I'd love a straight vanilla android ROM.
I hate custom UIs- Sense, TouchWiz, whatever. I hate them all.
That being said, do you guys think it'd be too much to ask to get that on there?
Might Samsung even be magnanimous enough to allow you to turn off their TouchWiz UI?
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Would be pretty great to get some flexability with the UI.
I didn't think about the future gaming capability of the Captivate. Adding the 720 video, I think I'm gonna get the Captivate and return my Aria. While I love the small size of the Aria, I would love to have a bigger screen. I just hope the battery on the Captivate will last longer than my Aria.
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I didn't think about the future gaming capability of the Captivate. Adding the 720 video, I think I'm gonna get the Captivate and return my Aria. While I love the small size of the Aria, I would love to have a bigger screen. I just hope the battery on the Captivate will last longer than my Aria.
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The battery is one of my main concerns too. I really hope it lasts a decent amount of time.
Thought you guys (and gals) might be interested in an excerpt from a CNN interview online today with the inventor of the cell phone, Martin Cooper. I'm not a "big boy" yet so I'm not permitted to include the link. Feel free to post in other forums if appropriate.
"I'm always trying whatever the latest telephone is. I had an iPhone for a while, I gave that to my grandson. Kids are really caught up in that. But I think that the Android phones are catching up now, and the latest version of the Android phones are every bit as good, if not better, than the iPhone."
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Thought you guys (and gals) might be interested in an excerpt from a CNN interview online today with the inventor of the cell phone, Martin Cooper. I'm not a "big boy" yet so I'm not permitted to include the link. Feel free to post in other forums if appropriate.
"I'm always trying whatever the latest telephone is. I had an iPhone for a while, I gave that to my grandson. Kids are really caught up in that. But I think that the Android phones are catching up now, and the latest version of the Android phones are every bit as good, if not better, than the iPhone."
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Hmmm...very interesting indeed
I am waiting to see the Captivate at my local store and see if they will let me take it on an Antenna tour.. I have had major issues with other Samsung phones in my area. Iphone, HTC, and Motorola seem to be the only phones that have a strong enough antenna.
Would the community rather have 2.2 by tomorrow, with no indication or promise of future updates, or 3.0 almost as soon as it comes out? I'm curious to see the community opinion.
Good question. I know a lot more about 2.2 right now, and the JIT compiler, developer push notifications and Flash in the browser are pretty good things.
I really don't think we're getting 3.0
Without knowing how it runs on our phone or using it, who would sign up for it? This is a loaded question - wait for some reviews then ask the question.
And when you say "when 3.0 is released" - I assume you mean Mid October even though it is not possible for a port to hit our phone for months?
The only logical answer is to say 2.2 now - 3.0 is an unknown - when will it be available and how will it run on our hardware? What features does it add? etc.
And in the end, everyone would say give me 2.2 now and still complain later when they can't update to 3.0.
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I really don't think we're getting 3.0
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That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.
derek4484 said:
That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.
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If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.
brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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Samsung is notorious for not giving software updates. Once they have your money they dont care about you.
Ask anybody else who's had a samsung smartphone. Especially anyone with a Samsung Beam, they just announced yesterday 2.1 is as far as its going and its a pretty new phone. Samsung Moment did get one update from 1.6 to 2.1 but thats as far as its going and that phone is still pretty new, its was only released less than a year ago. Other samsung phones never even got a single update they're still on 1.5/1.6.
brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.
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From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.
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Thats not true. The next version is certainly designed for phones. Google was bragging about Gingerbread at their last conference.
The carrier is just as responsible for software updates as the manufacturer. If the carrier has no interest, then Samsung won't build it.
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I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.
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I agree that they should be legally required to give you updates for however long your contract is. But they dont. Samsung has already stated they are going to give us one major update, and that is from 2.1 to 2.2. They'll give maintenance updates but thats it.
I think we will receive 3.0 - the only logical reason we wouldn't would be if another wave of Galaxy S phones came in that were twice as powerful.
Currently we are boasting a 1GHz processor, 512mb of RAM and a 4" AMOLED screen. Top of the line as smartphones are concerned. Now If a 2GHz, 1GB Ram phone came out then I could see us possibly not getting 3.0.... but I personally think it's the reason why Samsung has been so quiet about our 2.2 questions.
The Original Motorola Droid was on 2.2 before the Droid X! - sometimes pre-existence is better ;D
We have the exact recommended specs for gingerbread. Google released them a few weeks ago. I don't see a point release (2.1 - 2.2) as being a major update. Granted, its a nice bump in terms of upgrades and additions but is not what I would consider major.
I would like to see 2.2 as soon as possible, and then maybe 3.0 if Samsung bothers to get it done (which I would only give a 50% chance of occuring).
It's important to get 2.2 onto these phones so the developers can use it as the base for their modifications and ROMs. I think the chances of getting 2.2 in late october or mid november are pretty good, but I wouldn't expect 3.0 to land until next year (if it happens).
I'm really looking forward to 2.2, but I want the newest version of Swype even more urgently. I can't believe I have this device that says "look at me I have swype," but doesn't even have any way of getting the newest version with the text input button. Heck, I would even pay a few bucks to get the latest version, but there's simply no way at all to get it.
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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This. Just make this phone actually work and I'll be happy.
I would be happy as hell with ASOP 2.2, anything that has no touch wiz.
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gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.
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I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.
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I guess maybe I'm just a pessimist, but what would make you think that cyanogen would bring 3.0 to the Captivate? They havent even brought 2.2 to it yet?
http://gizmodo.com/5676008/hands-on-the-nexus-two-by-samsung
I love my Galaxy S, but this is a bit disappointing.
I was hoping for something that would push the bar - like a 4" Super AMOLED with a dual-core processor or something nuts like the N1 was over it's generation.
On the bright side, it does show that the Android lineup is a lot stronger than it was before.
it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
Yeah... I'm hoping this means we'll actually get timely updates in the future.
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it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
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This. This could be the single best thing if the ROMs can be easily ported and Google is in charge of software updates like they were with the Nexus One.
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this is one of the worst ... i dont know if i should even call it an article, but just so we can reference to it properly we will.
first, googles nexus one was very innovative, it showed a real and true glimpse into the future. for the second one there is no way they will take a step back and use some current hardware that has already been out for a while.
this is my opinion of what i believe is in the best interest of google.
so to pick on the article a little bit.
they keep refering back to the galaxy s line, which according to the "article" the only thing that was similar between them was how they looked, it says specifically that they had no idea what it had inside of it lol.
it states that the "nexus 2" was far less impressive than the n1, so what are they going by to support this statement? how it looked (opinion) and what they guess is inside of it? furthermore he didnt even know what kind of screen it had on the outside, he thinks it is an oled 4"... but not really sure, but one thing is for sure, it is "flat"
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it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
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This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the article.... omnomnomnom
I agree whole-heartedly.
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it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
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that's all i can think about right now .
galaxy s with AOSP gingerbread and google rolling out updates every month? amazing.
If the Nexus 2 is a rebadged and tweaked Galaxy S, then we have just been handed a great gift. Google and a significant portion of the android developer community will move on to our platform, and will tweak the device to their hearts desire. This means we will be at the front of the line to get any updates. And almost all new software will be compatible to our phones. Won't we love to be in the news as one of the first phones to get Gingerbread, Honeycomb, and IceCream, rather that the last ones to get Froyo.
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it states that the "nexus 2" was far less impressive than the n1, so what are they going by to support this statement? how it looked (opinion) and what they guess is inside of it? furthermore he didnt even know what kind of screen it had on the outside, he thinks it is an oled 4"... but not really sure, but one thing is for sure, it is "flat"
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My question is how the heck can you not be sure if you're looking at an oled screen??
I obviously can't speak for anyone else but I can usually tell within the first second of looking at a screen if it's oled or not... if you don't believe me try putting an iphone and a 'real' phone like the N1 or the captivate side by side, then have them play the same video.
this should end the GPS debate as well. if the nexus two uses our chip, we'll either get a soft fix or we'll know our hardware is defective. if it uses a different chip, we know ours is broken forever.
More info/confirmation from PCMag. Too bad no confirmation on the hardware part; other than how it looks...
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yes, Samsung is working on an unlocked Android device that looks like the one in Gizmodo's pictures. But it may not be called "Nexus Two," my sources said.
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I for one dont care if the hardware was the same and the phone looked like that(most likely wont). As long as you give me stock Gingerbread Rom, no ATT crap and a working GPS, I will be picking one up.
Wish that they stuck with the Nexus 1 hardware and tweaked it. I love my phone... but why google is using Samsung is beyond me.
I wonder if Google did ANY research before signing the deal on this? Obviously they never looked on GOOGLE for issues with Samsung Galaxy S devices. Their marketing team should be drawn and quartered.
But... with all that being said - if Samsung is just pumping out the hardware and Google is the one providing the software without Sammy's thumb in the pie - it might be a halfway decent device.
Also.. was the lil tabby thing sticking out from the bottom of the phone?
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I for one dont care if the hardware was the same and the phone looked like that(most likely wont). As long as you give me stock Gingerbread Rom, no ATT crap and a working GPS, I will be picking one up.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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Aha.. but your missing something here. The keyboard. Might be easy to convert for the Epic crowd... but for those without a keyboard probably not so much.
We won't know until it is released and the custom ROM developers can get their hands on the source.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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I understand and do own a cappy, but that would take time and I dont like to wait.
When I had my N1 before I played with my brothers Captivate there was no wait for a new ROM and I loved it. Unfortunately, the N1 was slow compared to the Captivate and I switched.
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Aha.. but your missing something here. The keyboard. Might be easy to convert for the Epic crowd... but for those without a keyboard probably not so much.
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Keyboard? Nothing I've read on this rumored handset says anything about it including a hardware keyboard (if that's indeed what you're implying)... Have you read something I haven't?
Just speculation but maybe this is why samsung is taking their sweet time getting froyo out. Possibly getting gingerbread ready for this and other galaxy s devices?
Here we are the last week of December. Promised dates for Froyo on the captivate have come and gone and keep changing. Samsung releases a new Android platform in the Nexus S and Google has control of software releases on it. I've had my Captivate since September, I'm running a custom ROM (Cognition) and for the most part my phone works with the GPS being the only sore spot.
Has Samsung/ATT abandoned development? Will we SEE Froyo released at all?
At this point I think the idea that they've scrapped it and are moving to Gingerbread is a pipedream.
There hasn't been a leaked final Froyo yet and that is really suprising to me.
We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases are crippled because we don't have proper source code for the Devs to work from.
I'm getting frustrated and contemplating selling this phone, but I LOVE the android platform and want to stick with it.
I feel the same way but I'm gonna hold out just a little longer
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We have the hottest hardware available right now and it's bogged down by the crappy stock software and 2.1 releases
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Out and out, I disagree with this. A Voodoo lagfix charged Cappy (i.e RFS-fixed) merely lacks Flash from 2.2.
There is no need on the Hummingbird platform for the 2.2 JIT improvements that dramatically boosted the performance of Snapdragon based handsets.
Touchwiz/Sense/etc is merely a demon that plagued pre 2.3 devices (and we haven't seen what Carrier/Vendor bull**** is coming with 2.3 yet, I wouldn't say we're out of the woods yet) and to be honest they are all as bad as each other - particularly if they are so ingrained that you can't dump them by replacing their components without root (much less adb/full rom flash).
There is 3 problems with the Captivate platform, to be sure, imo in the order of importance.
1. RFS
2. GPS
3. AT&T/Samsung's lack of updates/source/news
Overall, I think that Froyo is being held up over GPS not being "fixed" as well as the sleeping shutdown bug, and AT&T's general ineptitude.
tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS. Devs' custome ROMS are good, but held back due to the lack of an official 2.2 release and source code.
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tahnks for cutting off what I said to make your point. STOCK SOFTWARE SUCKS.
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It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.
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It doesn't.
RFS does. If no-one had to suffer Touchwiz with RFS, there wouldn't be quite as much hate as there is.
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It's STOCK and can't be modified without rooting therefore my point stands.
i really dont see what is wrong with the custom roms based on leaked firmware, it runs very smooth, and coming from a nexus one, there is definitely a noticeable difference.
but then again, the nexus one is almost a whole year older than the galaxy s phones, so if there is no difference, i would say they are doing it wrong.
meh.. Ive come to depend 100% on XDA for my updates.
I don't think we will ever see any official OTA updates from Att any time soon.
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SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.
It's a good thing we have so many awesome devs creating new ROMs that are imo much better than anything AT&T/Samsung could ever release as the official updates would still come with tons of AT&T bloatware and TouchWiz, and would most likely use the laggy RFS filesystem like JF6 and JH7.
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SAmsung reps are telling AT&T they are skipping 2.2 and just putting out 2.3. Heard it from the horse's mouth ...
Take it for whatever that is worth. I doubt Samsung USA reps have a clue anymore, but that is what they shared with AT&T.
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Which "horse's mouth" is that? Mr. Ed?
It's just that there's been such a large herd of them.
I'm jumping to a free streak from my Dell rep. Can't wait to get the larger screen and front facing camera for video chatting...
wish there was more dev on it though.
Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade.. and the hardware itself is getting old(while still running ICS thanks to our great community, it raises the question how much farther will the phone be able to be updated..)
a cheaper alternative maybe? or its just that good..
That's exactly what manufacturers wants to hear from consumers. Why buy phones that have lasting dollar values and gets frequent software updates when you can buy a new expensive one every year that doesn't have great built quality and with zero to almost no software update?
Android can use a bit cleaning up on the performance side, even the Galaxy Note stock rom have hiccups because of the bloatness, with quadcore phones they'll have more excuss to bloat and put animations in. Windows Phone 7 seems to do fine with single core. It's not like my Galaxy S is struggling with any of the new games at 800x480 resolution.
Well we already know Samsung said "Nope, ain't gonna happen" for ICS on the Captivate even in spite of builds being made available by the talented folk here at XDA and at other places online. The excuse that "the hardware isn't capable of running ICS adequately" is always a crock because I'm running Doc's Master v8 right now, ICS 4.0.3 based, and I get higher benchmarks with this ROM than the stock KK4 AT&T Gingerbread 2.3.5 ROM with:
- Quadrant
- Antutu
- Vellamo (with Vellamo I actually get slightly higher scores than a Galaxy Nexus, unbelievable)
and several others I've tried recently. So much for being "inadequate" or an underpowered device...
So, Samsung, stop whining and making excuses and just give us some ICS source so people can make a pure ROM I suppose.
Doc's v9 is nice since it's currently a beta and completely unthemed, but a lot of stuff won't install properly on it from Play (although I can install them from the APKs if I remember to manually save them in between ROM swaps).
It's a great phone, it has a beautiful design overall (one of my all time favorites, with the HD2 still being the king of all smartphones to me), USB and headphone connections on the top - I hate it when they're on the sides or bottom, and the main draw being the Super AMOLED display.
People still buy 'em, so Samsung keeps making 'em and AT&T keeps selling 'em.
Works for me.
Snow_fox said:
Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade.. and the hardware itself is getting old(while still running ICS thanks to our great community, it raises the question how much farther will the phone be able to be updated..)
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The R&D and tooling have long been paid for and there are still people buying. It's practically free money for them. The longer they're made, the cheaper they can get. The cheaper they can get, the more they're sold.
I sought this phone out actively because I liked my Epic and knew how to root & fix it easily. I didn't want a contract and for $250 brand new vs $600 for a Note it was a no-brainer.
Snow_fox said:
Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade..
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Simple, it sells. And with it running 2.3.5, it's very much up to date OS wise. It's not ICS, but at this point what is?
The early adopters are a rather small crowd of people that seems large to us because they are the tech obsesses folks that make xda what it is. They count for next to nothing compared to the "average user."
This phone is exactly what Samsung aimed for it to be, a Flagship. It was way a head of the curve when it first came out, and is still a great phone. It's been muddied by the early releases but, the fact that Samsung still won out (and is the top selling android manufacturer) means it really was an excellent device (and family of devices).
It's time is almost up though, because ICS really is beyond its abilities.
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The excuse that "the hardware isn't capable of running ICS adequately" is always a crock because I'm running Doc's Master v8 right now, ICS 4.0.3 based
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But it can't. We don't even have half the features, almost everything new to ICS has been stripped out because we don't have the hardware for it. Sure, the core OS can be made to run on our phone, but even at that we can't run it properly. The things your comparing against are to that of 2.2, ICS is not some dinky internal tweaks. It's a whole new OS, it's 4.0 not 2.4. Now I'll admit that most of the new parts to ICS are little more then shiny buttons that don't serve us much good. But it's rather easy to dismiss things you've never been able to do before. Once you get your hands on a phone actually built for ICS, that is then made future-proof like the ours was, you'll look back at the cappy and laugh at it.
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Once you get your hands on a phone actually built for ICS, that is then made future-proof like the ours was, you'll look back at the cappy and laugh at it.
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Had a Galaxy Nexus - the flagship Android 4.0 device - and couldn't stand it so I returned it and decided to wait on something better. Then the Galaxy Note came out and I can't wait to see what ICS can really do on that device, but since I can't actually afford one I guess that won't matter anyway.
Found this Captivate on craigslist for $60 and it's been fantastic since the moment I bought it. I swear the SGS feels more responsive and stable running a "hack" ROM of the same OS than the Nexus did/does. Yes it could just be some placebo effect, I suppose. A benchmark using Vellamo puts this SGS running an ICS ROM (at 1.2 GHz) outpacing the Nexus, go figure - a single core device running an unofficial hack of an OS besting the dual core flagship device for that very OS... ain't it cool?
There may be some aspects of ICS that the SGS can't do (NFC, etc) but they just so happen to be features I don't give a damn about, either so... it all works out in the end.
phone is sold
as long as ppl buy it.
u can get iPhone3gs u know - @ great price.
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Had a Galaxy Nexus - the flagship Android 4.0 device - and couldn't stand it so I returned it and decided to wait on something better.
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The Galaxy Nexus is not a flagship, just like the Nexus S was not. It's a debut phone and like the other Nexus phones, a developers phone. It's mean to showcase the abilities of ICS, not push the limits of a phone. Our phone came out before the Nexus S, yet that phone has a lot of the exact same internals. Why? ours was made future-proofed, nothing better was needed for GB. The Galaxy Nexus was also not top of the line at it's release, just compare it to an SGS2. Future proof would have meant that LTE was designed into the phone at start, not added later.
But you do bring up a very good point that I already admitted to, most of the new abilities are rather unnecessary for a phone. But I don't doubt that once a good ICS phone comes out we'll find ways to work them into our daily life. Just like we have for all the unnecessary things that the Cappy can do now.
The Captivate is a pretty solid phone still. I still have mine kicking around that I use now for playing music since my Galaxy Nexus doesnt have external memory (and apps are getting bigger and bigger in size so I need all the space I can get) so this phone does quite well for that.
I think I would still be using this phone if it had a bigger screen (I got big hands) and if Samsung was continuing to update this.
i use my spare captivate as a skype phone (between rom tests).
and where is the phone still being sold?