Interesting that the Sensation has a locked boot loader. It seems HTC are following Apple's view on this that they are going to be discouraging people from interfering with their software. I wonder if with time other Android manufacturers will follow the same course.
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Interesting that the Sensation has a locked boot loader. It seems HTC are following Apple's view on this that they are going to be discouraging people from interfering with their software. I wonder if with time other Android manufacturers will follow the same course.
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I think you'll find, that it is the other way around. All Winmo devices, going ack to 2002, have had locked bootloaders that will only accept a Signed ROM. Someone will develop a Hard SPL type system and all will be happy
Oh, and moved to General as not Rom Dev
Badwolve1
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Every other manufacturer already does this, htc was the best. Now they think they are selling enough phones to screw over the dev community, and it seems Sony Ericsson is taking up the mantle for the dev community.
I for one an very disappointed in htc for this. Was holding off for this phone, but may now go the atrix, both are locked so why not get better spec'd phone and hope its cracked. Or go the Xperia arc, at least I know the bootloader will be open
Very disappointed htc, just wanted you to know that
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I thought HTC has been locking their bootloaders for over a year now?
Incredible S is locked, as is the Desire S (I believe) - the Sensation isn't the first
They have been locking their bootloaders, but not encrypting or signing them in any way, it seems now they are
Which makes me ask, Why? They have been doing so well with android devices why act like douches now
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HTC has always locked bootloaders. If the phone is popular enough they will break it. The question is is it encrypted. Which is most likely not. All we need most likely is an engineering build then wala the gates will be open. Every one thought the g2 was unrootable then one day permanent root.
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HTC has always locked bootloaders. If the phone is popular enough they will break it. The question is is it encrypted. Which is most likely not. All we need most likely is an engineering build then wala the gates will be open. Every one thought the g2 was unrootable then one day permanent root.
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I thought it was supposed to be the case that it is highly likely to be encrypted or so it appears to be at this stage. They seem to be making increasing efforts to make sure people are not able to tamper with the OS on it.
I beloved the reason they lock bootloaders is to stop the steady flow of people bricking their devices then calling in to get them replaced... seperating people who can read and follow simple directions from those who can't
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Most htc android phones have locked bootloader
Signed code is required since htc desire(i believe nexus one was the last phone that can write unsign code to recovery even with s-on).From desire to desire hd, it was through different exploits to enable s-off. All older exploits are gone since incredible s.
is the optimus 2x locked?
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is the optimus 2x locked?
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Yes, locked but I believe not signed or encrypted. And I also believe it has already been hacked
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Interesting that the Sensation has a locked boot loader. It seems HTC are following Apple's view on this that they are going to be discouraging people from interfering with their software. I wonder if with time other Android manufacturers will follow the same course.
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Whats the deal with Motorola phones? Aren't they totally locked?
Part of the problem is irresponsible idiots bricking their phones then sending them in for replacements. Furthermore, and probably the most significant reason: that irresponsible people at tethering too much.
I for one love XDA. However, as it becomes more popular and easier for the layman to hack his phone, the development community becomes a greater threat to manufacturers and wireless providers
LG G2X or Sony for me!
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Whats the deal with Motorola phones? Aren't they totally locked?
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My Atrix is signed. Eff moto.
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Stop locking bootloader's and you will probably have less people bricking devices.
Or Sony Ericsson's new way of unlocking bootloader, send IMEI to them to unlock. At least that way they know who unlocked and can enforce warranty voiding fairly
We buy the device, we pay, its OUR device, if we want to hack it, then screw you (insert manufacturer) we can, stop telling us what we can and can't do with OUR property
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Get a Desire HD, simple
g2x
i was thinking of getting the sensation but i hate the thought of them dicking with the boot loader and all the sense bloat so i got a g2x and i could not be happier rooted the day it came out this phone is blazing fast patiently waiting for some cm7 love
I hate how everyone is thinking a bootloader is the end of the road for the sensation. It will be hacked. No ifs ands or buts about it. The sensation is going to be an amazing phone with or without a boot loader. If you want to get a diff phone, that's your loss. But don't tell us your getting a different phone on the sensation's forum. No one cares about your lack of trust in the devs here. I'm getting one and you should too.
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@sbryan12144, I wanna believe you dude but if you look at the Incredible S bootloader situation, it doesn't look too good for the Sensation. Unless HTC uses a different method and it's easier to crack.
Not being able to root is a deal breaker for me (I sold the IS because of that) and it's what makes Android better in my opinion! (custom ROMs, themes, etc...)
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If you want to buy a phone that have better developement and torn between to great phones. HTC Sensation and Samsung S II which one will have better developement?
[00:04] <rafyvitto> btw galaxy s devices only have oem roms rebuilds
[00:04] <rafyvitto> and miui/cm7
[00:04] <rafyvitto> thats it
[00:04] <rafyvitto> sense is half baked(i help there xD)
[00:05] <rafyvitto> and u cant port other frameworks cause there android structer is completly difrent
[00:05] <rafyvitto> and they also have propietary blobs
[00:05] <rafyvitto> and so much other **** thats makes it impossible
There case close..HTC Sensation wins.
Well said
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Except htc are now locking bootloader's, meaning no miui/cm7 or any custom kernel rom until someone finally cracks it. And rumor is samsung will not be locking bootloader's, but time will tell on that, I don't hold much faith in samsung's word at this point
Real douche move by htc, as an avid htc supporter am very disappointed, and will probably be shifting my view on my favorite manufacturer
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Except htc are now locking bootloader's, meaning no miui/cm7 or any custom kernel rom until someone finally cracks it. And rumor is samsung will not be locking bootloader's, but time will tell on that, I don't hold much faith in samsung's word at this point
Real douche move by htc, as an avid htc supporter am very disappointed, and will probably be shifting my view on my favorite manufacturer
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+1 dude, I love HTC and have been a fan for a while now, but if they continue this way and keep locking the bootloader then I will be looking elsewhere. Google themselves even support rooting your device if its done right.
My Desire is up for replacement in 2 or so months and i was looking at the Sensation. Was hoping the development would be well on the way with custom ROMs by then.
Also love HTC phone, but if they are going to lock them then its time to move elsewhere. I think that they are shooting themselves in the foot by locking the phones
Only time will tell if it damages their market share . Doubt it will thou.
HTC is now going to keep thier bootloaders unlocked they just released on Facebook
""There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC"
Figured i would share this with the Thunderbolt Community
Just saw this on Edgadnet!! HTC, um you rock!
I'll believe it when I see it
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Will the sensation be unlocked?
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im happy, but will current phones get this>?
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im happy, but will current phones get this>?
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Only time will tell I guess.
What's your malfunction Motorola?
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Awesome... credit goes to jcase and everybody who mailed in I guess... still to be seen if everything will be unlocked, but definitely promising news.
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Wonderful news!
Implies it's all phones moving forward. No mention of current devices.
"Today, I’m confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices."
I bet the number of HTC devices on Verizon will drop after this. They don't like it when they can't lock u down VZW has been the wors t about locking phones down even before they got Android devices
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So for those crying about HTC locking bootloaders because US users brick our devices can now taking the crying to mommy lmao ,
key word "our"
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If the Inc2 or TB can be unlocked in the next few weeks, I'll buy one in seconds.
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I bet the number of HTC devices on Verizon will drop after this. They don't like it when they can't lock u down VZW has been the wors t about locking phones down even before they got Android devices
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I think at&t has the most locked down devices, most of their phones couldn't sideload apps.
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I think at&t has the most locked down devices, most of their phones couldn't sideload apps.
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Exactly. I think the roles have reversed in that department at this point. Verizon has invested too much into Android (especially with the DROID line) to let something like that which only affects the hacking community lower their product line. It would be product suicide for them based on their current standings.
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I bet the number of HTC devices on Verizon will drop after this. They don't like it when they can't lock u down VZW has been the wors t about locking phones down even before they got Android devices
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I can't say that I see that happening. The TBolt is actually the first smartphone I've had that's not run a custom rom (yet). The TB is my 6th HTC smartphone on VZW, and I'm pretty sure it won't be my last.
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I can't say that I see that happening. The TBolt is actually the first smartphone I've had that's not run a custom rom (yet). The TB is my 6th HTC smartphone on VZW, and I'm pretty sure it won't be my last.
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I also don't see Verizon giving a rip about this, and I bet HTC will implement it with an OEM fastboot unlock command that leaves a trace so that they know it has been unlocked.
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I doubt the current phones will get this.
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I also don't see Verizon giving a rip about this, and I bet HTC will implement it with an OEM fastboot unlock command that leaves a trace so that they know it has been unlocked.
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HTC doesn't want to get the same bad rep Moto does for their locked phones (before you jumpt to conclusions that no one cares except a small minority on this, hear me out because it's far more than that). I'm not sure how it is for everyone else, but if you happen to be known among your friends and family as being the "computer expert," they tend to ask you what you would want to buy yourself. The reaction of modders against HTC is probably something they don't want just for the bad PR and referrals they will get. I stopped telling friends/family to buy Moto when they screwed everyone and HTC when they started to lock things down (except for ones not locked).
Word of mouth is what made Android popular to begin with and is far more powerful than any PR campaign (just look at Apple fans and how much they preach their iCrap and look how it works). HTC with from an unknown company themselves to a huge phone maker with more or less with google's blessing (and google as far as I know wants you to mod your phone).
Moto wasn't exactly doing awesome before android, but it was a far larger company than HTC was. HTC unlike moto doesnt have a history of really being arrogant, not listening to customers and assuming that if they keep releasing the same thing a billion times with small changes, it will still sell like it did before (the razr). Moto shoots themselves in the foot constantly and will continue to do so. They're lucky they built the first droid or they would most likely be dead in the water as a company.
A locked down android phone isn't much better than an iphone and sort of defeats the purpose of android to begin with. "Rooting your android" isn't exactly a common thing yet for people to know about, but looking at some of the clueless people (i mean that in the best of ways, not so much of an insult) that wander into xda lately, it's obviously becoming more so than ever before. If you tell someone you "rooted" your android phone they might not know what you mean, but if you use the very bad analogy that you "jailbroke it," far more people will get what you mean even if it isn't exactly correct. Point is, rooting will finally catch on in the mainstream world soon enough (I mean it took like a year for the local news here to "discover" angry birds, lol [they just did a news broadcast on it the other way sadly]).
Although no one can exactly say for sure, but I am sure HTC employees hang around on xda (at least some developers) and review third party development of their phones for future things to incorporate or remove from them (as well as free beta testing of obviously broken leaks). It would be dumb for them not to do so when it's all right there for them. If they lock it down, they lose something they would have to go and pay for themselves and might also be biased data. Anyways you cant assume that "leaks" are all just about altruism. The fact something gets leaked without any recourse would imply it was leaked most likely with approval. Same thing with the so called "insiders" that post on blogs about things that would look questionable to talk about from a corporate standpoint; It's sort of like a form of "astroturfing" only in a better way than what most companies do (since it's actually useful).
Moto could take a few cues from outside development, since obviously they have no clue how to develop a framework on their phones (looking at moto blur). Not saying Sense is perfect, but it could be far far worse.
hip hip hooray
http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
they stated official HTC will no longer lock the bootloaders
hooray! nerds shall rejoice everywhere. another reason why HTC makes the best android phones. Motorola aint got **** on this.
Damn you beat me to posting it but I found out through http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/htc-decides-to-unlock-bootloaders-moving-forward/
* I'm just sayin......
Cool beans
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Yep I saw through android central. http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-a...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)
Thank ***** God! Now my next phone won't HAVE to be a Samsung or LG...
That's awesome but I'll believe it when I see it.
What a great peice of news to wake up to. I'm going to have to exhibit some serious self control to not buy a sensation in the upcoming weeks.
Suppose I had better change my sig.
UNLOCK OUR BOOTLOADERS
Noob's Watch This
sino8r said:
Thank ****ing God! Now my next phone won't HAVE to be a Samsung or LG...
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I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering where I would have to go for my next phone. Now I can stay with HTC! Thank you HTC
I just hope that they will also unlock all already released phones. Like...ours
But I don't know, they already have our money so..
It would be a small christmas if the new OTA would unlock the bootloader as well.
Does this mean rooting phones doesn't void warranty now?
-Nipqer
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Does this mean rooting phones doesn't void warranty now?
-Nipqer
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I doubt it very very much
Noob's Watch This
This is a pretty big deal/win for the community.
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Wow that is crazy! Lot of crackers are going to be bored now lol. Pretty damn cool.
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Damn... this just adds to my anticipation of the gingerbread update. I've been using stock rom since day one. Oh the wait...
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This is great. I was looking at anything that wasn't locked down and now I can stick with HTC. Having a Eris and being able to run Gingerbread (shed 3.4) has extended my phone by a full year plus which I could not have done without being able to root it.
HTC has done the right thing. What a novel idea listen to the people who use your products.
Looks like HTC will be getting my money next time I buy a device
buenisimoo! ya estaba esperando eso
English: Great I was expecting that
Is there actually anyway to obtain the new unlocked bootloader on existing devices?
HTC CEO Confirms EVO 3D Will Have An Unlocked Bootloader One Way Or Another
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ve-an-unlocked-bootloader-one-way-or-another/
Sorry if posted already but wished rogers had HTC phones now.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...phones-in-august/&category=classic&postPage=1
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I can't get over that, why won't other manufacturers get on board? D3 looks like an awesome piece for hardware.
tombarr said:
I can't get over that, why won't other manufacturers get on board? D3 looks like an awesome piece for hardware.
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I believe that the Droid 3 would be a highly epic phone if Motorola would decide to unlock its bootloader.
It has so much wasted developer potential, and Motorola needs to learn the fact that open sells.
I can also say that my next purchase won't be Motorola if the bootloaders don't get unlocked.
(Or atleast the bootloader on the Targa, I was hoping for a slideout key board though.)
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@chrisch1974 @baadnwz @mdeejay_ru @Elegancia_Pyra @shnizlon @showp1984 HTC is shutting down sites with #HTCRUU please RT
Seems htc is shutting down site's with htcruu's
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@chrisch1974 @baadnwz @mdeejay_ru @Elegancia_Pyra @shnizlon @showp1984 HTC is shutting down sites with #HTCRUU please RT
Seems htc is shutting down site's with htcruu's
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Very interesting
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Man are they crazy...
So that's where football went...
Slithered from my HTC One X+
Yeah lose the site and then lose the customers...nice strategy for 2013.
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They seem to care a lot about their dev community.. oh wait
Success was drawn out in a clear path for HTC after their recent downfall simple..micro ad bigger battery or at least removable battery kinder to the dev community...
And stop releasing ten dam phones a year
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So that's where football went...
Slithered from my HTC One X+
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im guessing so but i think he is back under another name
Could have been taken down because of the domain name.
TToivanen said:
Just a little announcement: www.htcruu.com has been taken down by HTC.
First we lost our beloved Football and now this.
What will be next?
UPDATE: For the time being, BugsyLawson will be hosting the RUU's for both EndeavorU and Evita. Thank him here!
Grab the RUU's here:
EndeavorU
Evita
UPDATE#2: Site is back up at a different domain: Http://ruu.androidfiles.org
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Slithered from my HTC One X+
Lol no phone company likes devs, they blame everything on us....... They give us the bare minimal ( all of them Samsung, HTC, etc) they couldn't care less if less than 5% of the people who buy their phones: want to mod, flash a custom, unlock, etc. We are the minority they will always cater to the majority and companies first. ( ATT one x still can't be "officially" unlocked) HTC locked down by att, Verizon has( had) Samsung locked down. There in it together lol. They send people to the forums and take (steal) ideas then sell them. Such as with the one x and its remap of the recent button for menu. HTC didn't think of that s+++ did anyone on xda get credit for it when it was released in future software updates? No.
So to think carriers or manufacturers would care if none of bought a phone from them again is off the mark.
They make me emotional.... End soap box..
That's all I have to say about manufacturers and phone companies.
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At the end of the day if you aren't up for the cat and mouse game buy a nexus.
My next device will almost certainly be a nexus device.
venelar said:
At the end of the day if you aren't up for the cat and mouse game buy a nexus.
My next device will almost certainly be a nexus device.
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Only one guaranteed. Samsung already released a statement saying from now on they will scrutinize future software updates even closer for their devices saying a decision will be made by looking at the phone age, specs, compatibility with touch wiz, etc.
Some say they already do this and its obvious they do. All this statement by them did was tell its customers they can no longer "expect" every android update that drops.
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venelar said:
At the end of the day if you aren't up for the cat and mouse game buy a nexus.
My next device will almost certainly be a nexus device.
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Same here bro... Same here.... Love love love HTC phones... I will never go with a Samsung, i can't stand them. However I'm not fond of the idea of jumping through hoops to customize my own device with HTC, and the biggest turn off is having to flash boot.img every time I flash a Rom.. (sometimes 3-4 times a day ) looks like every new HTC device will implement this torture.... *sighs*
Like wtf
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Many roms are like viper are able to flash the boot without using the computer. Some people seem to say it doesn't work for them though.
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Many roms are like viper are able to flash the boot without using the computer. Some people seem to say it doesn't work for them though.
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that's just some bypass with aroma.. but still, we shouldn't have to use fastboot for anything, except unlocking our bootloader, and simple adb commands, and flashing recovery.. each update plugs another hole
2.20 firmware - all exploits closed (besides drjbliss')
1.14 hboot.. fastboot to flash a kernel.. really?
2.14 hboot.. kernel write protection on the system (bypass found, but still no kernel source) + fastboot flash.. ok?
let's not forget having to spoof our CID to unlock the boot loader (AT&T) <---- Verizon does this too, like with the Droid DNA
Oh, and s-on
I'm out when the "nexus 5" (dub) drops, and I probably won't consider HTC ever again.. However, the HOX was a great investment over any other android or an iPhone 5.. But I can't take it anymore.. even if I wasn't a dev, I'd be fed up with it
/end rant
This is why I am tempted to jump over the the nexus 4 right now, while I am still considering waiting to see what the GS IV will bring, if Samsung decides to lock it down, I will be buying the nexus 4 right away and never buying another non nexus phone again.
I got the One X after owning the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus. I have to admit Iwas a little shocked once I realized how much they lock these phones down. Even though I am with Rogers, and allowed to unlock the bootloader through HTCdev, it still bothers me that any HBOOT update could screw over my ability to flash things like radios or having to use fast boot to flash kernels. I don't want to be told how I can use my phone.
It would be like buying a new laptop with windows installed and finding out that I was locked out of formatting the hard drive, and couldn't install Linux, and then finding out that the bios was set up to only work with that hard drive and couldn't be swapped out.
No one would think about locking gown a computer like that, why do they want to do it with phones.
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Kindatired said:
This is why I am tempted to jump over the the nexus 4 right now, while I am still considering waiting to see what the GS IV will bring, if Samsung decides to lock it down, I will be buying the nexus 4 right away and never buying another non nexus phone again.
I got the One X after owning the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus. I have to admit Iwas a little shocked once I realized how much they lock these phones down. Even though I am with Rogers, and allowed to unlock the bootloader through HTCdev, it still bothers me that any HBOOT update could screw over my ability to flash things like radios or having to use fast boot to flash kernels. I don't want to be told how I can use my phone.
It would be like buying a new laptop with windows installed and finding out that I was locked out of formatting the hard drive, and couldn't install Linux, and then finding out that the bios was set up to only work with that hard drive and couldn't be swapped out.
No one would think about locking gown a computer like that, why do they want to do it with phones.
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I'd wait for the rumored nexus 5 to drop.
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InflatedTitan said:
Same here bro... Same here.... Love love love HTC phones... I will never go with a Samsung, i can't stand them. However I'm not fond of the idea of jumping through hoops to customize my own device with HTC, and the biggest turn off is having to flash boot.img every time I flash a Rom.. (sometimes 3-4 times a day ) looks like every new HTC device will implement this torture.... *sighs*
Like wtf
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Why no love for Samsung phones?
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