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Thoughts on Android.....

As CES nears i began to thing about what phone will i upgrade to. I am using a Droid Eris with 2.2 right now and its becoming out of date. So like many of you I have been to look at upgrades and what I want to get. Then I thought.....do you have to root your android to enjoy it? I know you can wait for new software, but it seems that the hardware is moving aso quick that your phone will be "out of date" within a few months if you don't root it. EOL for the Eris was Mayish of 2010....not a long life for a phone that was released in November of 09. So I have looked elsewhere. I am looking for Verizon to show a WP7 device at CES and the iPhone to follow after that. What are you thoughts? Do you need to root your phone to enjoy it? Do you feel that Android is the "rebel" of the Smartphone world?
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The myTouch 4G from T-Mobile is an awesome phone. 768MB of RAM, 1Ghz. processor. It's very fast and responsive. You would not be disappointed.

Oh and let me say I am on Verizon and not looking to leave the Big Red V.

56K said:
Oh and let me say I am on Verizon and not looking to leave the Big Red V.
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Sorry. I can't stand V. I left them years ago and never looked back. Good luck.
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i had a Nexus One and EVO prior to getting my DroidX. which is very unfriendly towards custom roms and other hacking fun.
needless to say i miss the Nexus and EVO immensely, half the fun for me was flashing custom roms and tinkering with stuff.

I agree it is fun messing with the Eris, but then i thought, what if my next phone I don't want to hassle with flashing roms, fixing things, and what not. Also My biggest issue with the software is not the software at all, its the app developers. It seems like it is 100% iOS4 first, Android second. I also like the intergration of Xbox Life with WP7.

My thought is this. You must root your phone if your a phone junky. Other wise we would all get bored quickly. There isn't enough high quality apps to keep me from rooting and changing things on the phone. Also I feel like I need to change phones at least once a year or I'm not happy lol.
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See that is my issue, i am not sure if I want to root my next phone. I like it, but sometimes it sucks. I am a phone once a year kinda guy. I might check out the WP7 when they come out on the the V......

56K said:
I agree it is fun messing with the Eris, but then i thought, what if my next phone I don't want to hassle with flashing roms, fixing things, and what not. Also My biggest issue with the software is not the software at all, its the app developers. It seems like it is 100% iOS4 first, Android second. I also like the intergration of Xbox Life with WP7.
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I came from the Hero. I'm on a vibrant now, and loving it. There is a app on Android for adding removing and messaging Xbox live friends. Pretty much the same thing on WP7, minus the points you earn playing games.
I had no reason to root my phone but I couldn't resist the urge.

Now now. There is no reason to do something that drastic. Stay with Android. Lol
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56K said:
See that is my issue, i am not sure if I want to root my next phone. I like it, but sometimes it sucks. I am a phone once a year kinda guy. I might check out the WP7 when they come out on the the V......
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What's your beef with rooting? It's not like it's a difficult process, and it opens up so many options for you. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me to not root.
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TheBiles said:
What's your beef with rooting? It's not like it's a difficult process, and it opens up so many options for you. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me to not root.
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No beef with rooting at all, but that is my point, do you have to root to enjoy your android? I know it ipens options but the developers from the big apps are slow to the android game.....

I don't think you have to root to enjoy a device, but for me, it allows me to enjoy it more. Why wouldn't you root? I like trying out different ROMs and tinkering with stuff and overclocking. Apps are fine, but those are only part of the fun for me.

bnrbranding said:
I don't think you have to root to enjoy a device, but for me, it allows me to enjoy it more. Why wouldn't you root? I like trying out different ROMs and tinkering with stuff and overclocking. Apps are fine, but those are only part of the fun for me.
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That's my point i guess. I'm an app guy, i like apps, want the latest apps, and U just don't feel i can get that with Android.
The Xbox Live integration looks really nice so again when the verizon WP7 comes out I may look at it.
Something that has bothered me is the fragmentation of the Android OS. There are some devices, that are not that old running 1.5 and 1.6, some on 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.....you get my drift.

56K said:
That's my point i guess. I'm an app guy, i like apps, want the latest apps, and U just don't feel i can get that with Android.
The Xbox Live integration looks really nice so again when the verizon WP7 comes out I may look at it.
Something that has bothered me is the fragmentation of the Android OS. There are some devices, that are not that old running 1.5 and 1.6, some on 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.....you get my drift.
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How does the fragmentation bother you if you're rooted? Any device with a decent community will have the latest OS.
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TheBiles said:
How does the fragmentation bother you if you're rooted? Any device with a decent community will have the latest OS.
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I agree but it seems that the Android devices are so spread out that it gives the developers hell. For example look at Angry Birds. They are developing 2 versions for "one" OS.

(Wall of text approaches)
About Rooting:
I don't have to be rooted but I definitely enjoy the phone more because I am. I don't have to pay additional tethering fees to my carrier because rooting allows me to do this for free. I don't have to wait for carriers to send an OTA of the next version of Android because my rooted phone allows me to upload ROMs made by the awesome devs we have here at XDA.
About Apps:
Android's marketshare is rising exponentially. I am definitely seeing more application development for the platform and a lot of popular iPhone apps being ported over as well. I admit that Android's Marketplace isn't as intuitive as the App Store but it is getting better. I recommend checking out Appbrain if you want a better market experience on Android.
About Fragmentation:
Its openness is a double-edged sword in my opinion. Openness allows a multitude of different products to be running your OS but it also causes fragmentation because of all the skins manufactures choose to run on top of it. Take a look at the Motorola Droid, it runs Stock Android and it received Eclair and Froyo relatively fast because of it. Now take the Galaxy S series running a Touchwiz version of Android, all of these devices were released this year and have none have received Froyo when the Motorola Droid was released last year and does have Froyo. 95% of typical android users probably don't know what version of Android they are running anyway so it could be that manufactures aren't putting it as high priority because their customers don't care. 2.2 to 2.3 isn't a very big leap outside of aesthetics.

Good post. I only started this thread to get some good conversation.. I am not against rooting, against Android, against iOS, or WP7. I just like to keep my options open.

^ we understand.
The fragmentation argument is nonsense. Any good developer will tell you its no different than developing for a PC. With a PC you have a infinite amount of hardware combinations same as Android.

vetvito said:
^ we understand.
The fragmentation argument is nonsense. Any good developer will tell you its no different than developing for a PC. With a PC you have a infinite amount of hardware combinations same as Android.
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Good Point.

Finally! Netflix IS finally coming to Android

We knew this would be phone specific due to Netflix wanting to ensure content restrictions were in place. The good news, it will be more chip dependent and phones with Snapdragon processors will be first.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-14/qualcomm-some-android-devices-to-get-netflix.html

OMG. That would be awesome. Go Qualcomm!

CAN'T WAIT!

Well, that's not really saying much without even a hint of a release date.

I read a article were it said newer Qualcomm chips were going to get netflix . I wonder if the evo would qualify .
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I can't wait till we get netflix and hulu
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Netflix on my phone would be great. Give me something to do at work..other than actually work

I think an OS would have to have at least some attempt at security measures in place before that would happen...

parmend said:
I read a article were it said newer Qualcomm chips were going to get netflix . I wonder if the evo would qualify .
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I'm pretty sure the evo would qualify with it A8 type but too bad htc does not use the newer A9 that would make video playback as good as the iPhone 4 with it's high res screen and does this mean you will need 4g to stream the videos.

Well now unfortunately I just read at Engadget that only the newest Snapdragon chips, not even shipping in any phones yet, would have the capability for Netflix.
Poo Poo on Netflix, Google, and Qualcomm. As usual, the only care about selling NEW phones and could give a crap about anything already shipped.

thebitjockey said:
Well now unfortunately I just read at Engadget that only the newest Snapdragon chips, not even shipping in any phones yet, would have the capability for Netflix.
Poo Poo on Netflix, Google, and Qualcomm. As usual, the only care about selling NEW phones and could give a crap about anything already shipped.
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Welcome to android.

for some reason DRM doesn't bother me when its coming from netflix. Probably because 7.99 a month for streaming is totally reasonable whereas $1-3 per episode of downloadable content is absolutely ridiculous.

Netflix is awesome but it doesnt work on my country.

I would never watch netflix on my phone. Ever.
Ever.

I just listened on Cnet podcast that only next gen snapdragon chips will work, and they aren't shipping until early 2012!!! They also said that it seemed fishy since the iPhone already has it and the chip in the iPhone is not unusual. This is BS, Netflix is drinking the Apple Juice.
BOYCOTT NETFLIX ANDROID USERS!!

Even if Netflix was available, I doubt my phone would even have the horsepower to run it (moto droid 1, unrooted), so I guess they are just trying to make sure it is a positive experience for those users. That, or they are trying to avoid the fragmentation issue, or only available in gingerbread or later...
I would rather wait until I upgrade my phone to make sure the app works as good as possible.

I have playon.tv on my desktop to stream stuff to my roku but they came out with an android app in the market and it allows you to watch netflix and hulu on your android device, assuming you let the desktop app run.
From what i understand, the android app goes to your actual pc where it gets the videos and converts it to an android compatible stream. I tried it and it worked fine. Not a free app but you can try the trial.

djdanska said:
I have playon.tv on my desktop to stream stuff to my roku but they came out with an android app in the market and it allows you to watch netflix and hulu on your android device, assuming you let the desktop app run.
From what i understand, the android app goes to your actual pc where it gets the videos and converts it to an android compatible stream. I tried it and it worked fine. Not a free app but you can try the trial.
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Interestng I'll give a try

cant wait for this thing

Good news, hopefully, many will get some love.
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The Captivate's "useful life" expectancy....?

Even as a tech savvy individual, for whatever reason, until a month ago I had pretty much buried my head in the sand as far as smartphones were concerned. I guess my extreme hatred for Apple products and my perceived understanding public's adoration of the iPhone (and like devices) kept me away.
In any case, our contracts were up for renewal, so I decided to go "all out", do some research and finally get a phone that had all the gadgets with it.
Overall, I'm happy with the Captivate. Granted, between Samsung and AT&T, things aren't perfect, but it seems that we have an incredible amount of non-commercial support on our side in the form of various forums and the ROM developers.
My big question is, how long does anyone expect that the Cappy will still be "current"? Realizing of course that it isn't a 4G phone, and currently only runs (stock) 2.1 and won't be "among the best/fastest" for ever, how much longer do you think new ROMs and other developments will be made for it? What kind of phone/technology will take people's attention elsewhere? I'm hoping that even though I've joined the Cappy crowd late, that I still have some time to enjoy the new stuff (Roms in particular) for it.

Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.

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Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.

SkitchBeatz said:
It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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I totally see that side of things, but just to play devil's advocate, I have a fuze and it still sees development and never got an official update from 6.1 to 6.5.

A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.

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A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory

boborone said:
yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?

The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.

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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Voodoo sound (and the microphone volume fix while recording video) is the single reason I didn't buy an Inspire/Atrix.
Yet, anyway.

so good to hear there is still some enthusiasm for the captivate, i'm still waiting for mine to arrive. this tech liberation movement is the main reason i was willing to take the plunge.
power to the people!

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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Amen, brother!

Nevermind at&t. As long as the great developers and people at xda keep giving us access to such great things the captivate w will always rule 1ghz phones
Sent from my captivate on a rock in the middle of the ocean!

I'm with ya guys.
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Well 2.2 is out now right? The first thing you should.do regardless is install a custom rom on the phone that has 2.2.
After that... customize the phone and make ir yours.
However, concerning the life expectancy.... it should be relavent for a while; the phone is very fast and has a good build.
I have had mine since June and I.think ill be upgrading to.tthe Galaxy S 2 when that.comes out.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon

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A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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Not useless, but with some new apps and updates requiring 2.2 (and soon 2.3/2.4 I'd presume) it is frustrating to find yourself unable to run the cool new apps and games after a while.

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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
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Trust me, there are plenty of more things phones can do, do do, and are planning to do in close future, such as finger print reading, 3d recording, a part to read real time temperature of wherever you are. of course, they are always improving cameras with more mega pixels, making phones faster with more CPU and RAM, making phones slimmer, etc. A lot of phones don't have HD out, like the Captivate. But that will be a lot more popular.
I am so ready for the next generation of phones that are coming out soon

cappys came out late july, not june Flac. I just had to send mine in and was looking at receipt. I got mine the first day available.

Fragmentation is the reason we don't have official gb

I am genuinely pissed after they postponed the ICS event because I felt like that would be the infuses' time to get current with its OS. Maybe I'm venting my frustration a bit but 500K+ devices are turned on per day(at least for the next few months). I see that version pie chart and Froyo is still number 1 despite GB releasing roughly 10 months ago(not to mention a new version is weeks from releasing) . It's exactly why I come here.
I would also like to point out that the Fragmentation also causes what I like to call a popularity contest. Yes you have a crap ton of device options but guess what the carriers and manufacturer are making sure the cash cows are first in line. Do you think they have as many engineers/developers working with the ChaCha as they do on sgs2? Hell no
Why is Google shooting themselves in the foot in staying current? Why on earth haven't they sat down with the phone manufacturers and hammered out some sort of standard to speed up adoption of new OS?
Android has a wide array of devices and that makes them unique and better than the competition by offering choice.
I understand that the burden of keeping up to speed primarily falls to the manufacturer/carriers which blows for us. The maker/google contract states the carrier only has update the device for 18 months. The definition and or frequency of an update is obscure at best.
I don't even want to guess how much money is being wasted on development overlapping costs because of the hodgepodge of devices. I tried to find out exactly how many hardware devices are currently supported. I found a list of everything but no summary I didn't feel like counting the but a good estimate is 350 + worldwide.
I understand the development life cycle as well as a hardware life-cycle. I fail to understand why integration of an update takes longer than one quarter to apply.
Google develops tests and releases system updates. The manufacturers takes that update and tests it with their bull**** on top (IE touch wiz and sense) then they test on devices.
Carriers finally now test the update, certify it, and push to users(never pushed at one time because they would never risk any downtime or damage to their network).
Wtf google step your game up and reduce the impact of Fragmentation because its only going to get worse and worse.
I'm the kind of device user that makes a well informed decision and won't get a new device until it breaks or I lose it(wow thinking about it I really am horrible with phones).
I have had this phone since it came out in April and I love it (I left it in a cab during the first 2 weeks I had it but was able to get my replacement soon after). Basically I'm a day one Adopter I had my original rooted and rom'd. It drastically improved the general usability of the phone. I decided to wait to mod the phone until I got the official gb to see what it could bring to the table. I really like the one click update with no issues but my hand has been forced. My device has been becoming noticeably slower and i find myself pulling the battery at least once every 2 days. To use it as a phone like it was intended I need to port to a mod. The
Thank you developers for implementing what the billion dollar corporations could not in literally 1/10 of the time.
Sorry if I ranted I'm pissed and there's no way I'm going down to wallstreet lol I'm lazy.
Jason
Note: I also read that it could reach nearly 1 million devices a day by the end of Oct/Nov.
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Trust me I understand your frustration! According to google ICS was supposed to be that game changing release but honestly marketing is what is stopping companies from unifying. A majority of people who get an Android device don't know what the hell to do with it, how it works, or in the most part don't care (or at least don't seem to understand the difference between froyo and GB) they just want a functioning
phone. Then comes ios, that's why it's so popular.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.

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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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Quite frankly your frustration (and mine) is backed by the dev community; to atleast some extent. Although, I still believe google saw the bright green money tree right above their noses and since then, can not let go of the smell! In other words, there wont' be a solution in the near future.

Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!

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Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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I couldn't name to you all the releases that are out there

Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.

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Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Are you running a custom rom, kernel, radio, are you OC/UV?
Any and all of these things can and will give you instability. I had a cm7 theme that kept crashing the system on my backflip.
The only way to do away with MOST not all issues is to live in "the box".

Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.

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You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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Lol. By the ICS is out on a couple phones he would've switched to a different phone.

MikeyMike01 said:
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.

I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Completely agreed. Phone's that will never officially have things like Sense 3.5 have it, and the same with firmwares. I do love my Samsung though.

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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
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Problem is that every phone has vendor-proprietary bits to handle specific hardware support that aren't portable. The Apache license of the Android userland stack makes this possible. Also the ability to have proprietary modules loaded by the kernel doesn't help - for example the FSR and RFS drivers in the Infuse. The same reason you'll likely never see ICS for the Infuse is the same reason you didn't see CM7 until Rogers Gingerbread dropped. (It existed, but it was in a barely usable state until the vendor-proprietary stuff from Rogers GB could get pulled in.)
The good news is that I think Google is forcing vendors to "play nicer" as far as the low-level vendor-proprietary code in order to make AOSP bringups easier. They enforced a LOT of standardization with Honeycomb - the question is can they keep that going with ICS without witholding source like with HC? I think that by exercising tighter control over Google Apps licensing they can.
The Galaxy S II is a hint of things to come - while it still has vendor-proprietary libraries in the userland stack, it has zero closed-source components in the kernel, unlike previous Samsungs.

Motivation and $.
my opinion only...but, phone carriers have no motivation* to update the o.s. of phones already sold.
Just a few random thoughts...
1. Limited $ to be made from you (the customer waiting for an upgrade)
....a. sale of the device is already made.
....b. buyer is already locked into a long-term contract.
2. they are a phone company not a software company...thus any software developers they might have are probably focused on future sales and testing.
3. they don't make money releasing updates to already sold phones.
4. support staff would have to be pretty good size.
I wonder if the phone providers keep software upgrade staff or do they contract that out??? say to the phone manufacture (i.e. samsung, htc)? I have no idea.
(I am assuming it's the phone carriers who are the primary cause of delays in releasing software updates...not necessarily the
* what's more important to them? Future repeat customers due to good service OR simply getting them locked into longterm service contracts? Obviously point 2.

I wish fragmentation was decreased to that of the IBM compatibe market. (Am I the only one that still calls them that?)
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Interesting point I would have to say they contract the work out to upgrade versions. If they haven't already I wouldn't be surprised to see full teams being hired as android becomes more permanent.
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Great post
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The debate continues on TechCrunch:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/27/charted-android-fragmentation/

Android 5.0 Jellybean out this spring to developers!?!?!? WTF?!??!(video fixed)

MY FAULT I POSTED THE WRONG VIDEO! I mean, seriously? Is there any need at this point in time? Will there be any hardware that can even run it by this fall or summer aside from maaaaaybe the Galaxy S 3? I dont understand it. Sometimes I feel like google should just keep all their OS development in the closet for at least 1.5-2 years at a time. 1 year minimum. Then do a controlled release with a absolutely bug-free platform. Im already seeing and feeling the gadget fatigue setting in. For christs sake a friend of mine just picked up a set of iPhone 3g's for free for his whole family like a year ago! And they are still liking them! I just dont think it makes sense to keep flooding the market so hard with devices and devices. But then again, that seems to be the correct formula for going up against the all-mighty fruit company. idk. This is great for developers, bad for consumers i guess. But im sure you all know that. Im just ranting.
THE NEWS ABOUT IT APPEARS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO!!!!

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I mean, seriously? Is there any need at this point in time? Will there be any hardware that can even run it by this fall or summer aside from maaaaaybe the Galaxy S 3? I dont understand it. Sometimes I feel like google should just keep all their OS development in the closet for at least 1.5-2 years at a time. 1 year minimum. Then do a controlled release with a absolutely bug-free platform. Im already seeing and feeling the gadget fatigue setting in. For christs sake a friend of mine just picked up a set of iPhone 3g's for free for his whole family like a year ago! And they are still liking them! I just dont think it makes sense to keep flooding the market so hard with devices and devices. But then again, that seems to be the correct formula for going up against the all-mighty fruit company. idk. This is great for developers, bad for consumers i guess. But im sure you all know that. Im just ranting.
The news about it appears in the beginning.
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why would you make a thread about android and link it to a video about iPad and Sony's new handheld? Troll
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tazbo28 said:
Well it was the first information I have heard about it, and I just happen to have xda open in another tab so... Did you even watch the video? Also did you even read what I said directly above the video? Seems like we know who the REAL troll is here. I own an Infuse btw so wtf dude? Srsly.
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Not starting **** I was seriously asking a question. Nowhere in the video did it say anything about 5.0
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bline007 said:
Not starting **** I was seriously asking a question. Nowhere in the video did it say anything about 5.0
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Youtube had showed the wrong video in the player when I watched it. The title in youtube as well as the share link was for a completely different video. Its my ffault obviously for not checking that the video was the right one before posting. My bad.

tazbo28 said:
Youtube had showed the wrong video in the player when I watched it. The title in youtube as well as the share link was for a completely different video. Its my ffault obviously for not checking that the video was the right one before posting. My bad.
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No worries. Take care
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Many of us still are using gingerbread in our devices and even some of them are shipped with froyo on it!
Meanwhile ICS isn't even finished perfectly yet so I don't understand why they shouldn't continue developing ICS before even starting Jelly bean...

I say go.
I think its a great idea. I not going to complain about more and new features. I also LOVE the feeling on an major android upgrade. And as for flooding the market with phones, Its fantastic because it makes companies compete to give you the best product. In the end we WIN!!!!!!!!!!.
This is absolutely awesome.

jelly bean is going to kill IOS !

I don't like google releasing a new version of O/S with less than one year gap. It's just my opinion though.

bransyeah said:
Many of us still are using gingerbread in our devices and even some of them are shipped with froyo on it!
Meanwhile ICS isn't even finished perfectly yet so I don't understand why they shouldn't continue developing ICS before even starting Jelly bean...
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This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Continue developing ICS before starting jellybean? Do you even understand what a software version is? ICS is Android. Jellybean will still be android. As Android gets updated, and enough changes get made to the software, that is when they decide to change a name. So in all actuality, jellybean is ICS that has been developed further.......

Umm.. Haven't even got ICS yet and rumors about 5.0 ? Duh! this makes me jealous and frustrate!

Google seems to be restless. Remember when Honeycomb was released, they announced ICS at the same time! We are developing with 3.1 in mind and can't even think of exclusively using newer features to Android 4.x because of the major lag in new devices.
This isn't good for developers, it just gives us more headaches to control the fragments.

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This makes absolutely zero sense for them to do this.
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I agree that it would be too soon to relewse a new is just recently after ice came out and with only 1% of phones using ice right now. They should prioritize updating tlthe rest of the phones to ice and ironing out and building that os to recognition instead of rolling out something new. It would totally make ice purposeless in my eyes and a waste. I know technology is ever expanding but seems its expanding too quick to anyone to enjoy it long enough to stick to one thing.

From what I heard its for tablets right ? So basically this is like honeycomb something meant for the tablet community . If its for mobiles then this is a very bad thing ,I mean seriously how many devices come with ICS now ? 5 ?

Dark69Slayer said:
From what I heard its for tablets right ? So basically this is like honeycomb something meant for the tablet community . If its for mobiles then this is a very bad thing ,I mean seriously how many devices come with ICS now ? 5 ?
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Its going to be for phones and tabs its going to be an overlay capable device for PC s which in my opinion pretty cool. Especially if u like Linux already. And were r not talking about a release for at least 6 months. Everything is just hear say for now
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If 5.0 comes out before 2013, Google is stupider than I thought.
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My whole thing about it is this, how do you explain to people who are still on Froyo, this is something new and great and you should use it! Their devices are supported by the manufacturer. If the manufacturer (like 3 main ones) dont keep up with the upgrade schedule with all their onslaught of devices, then whats the point?
I feel as though Android is being developed so rapidly that it seems as though they dont even care about what devices are out, or which ones "matter" to the market more. Its all about development for them. (which isnt necessarily bad) And for manufacturers, its all about flood flood flood the market with every new spec technology they can in order to not accidentally fall behind Apple. This is the honest to goodness truth i fear!!
Companies are trying their absolute best to make certain that they dont get caught by surprise with some Apple super device---so they keep putting out a new device the instant they make a little headway in specs. They are too afraid of letting the market settle for longer than 3 months!! For fear that Apple will announce a launch all of the sudden and bring out a 1080p hex core smartphone with 20 gb of ram and 128 gb of hard disk. lol! Its really starting to piss me off. Its starting to become a childish game of "oh we did/have that already, its not new."
These companies really have to let the market catch its breath. I mean here in the U.S. people are still trying to fight their way out of this recession, and yet Samsung and Android expect me to buy a Galaxy Nexus since its the ONLY device with ICS! Indirectly though it may be, its still frusterating as hell. I say 1 year, minimum. Dont tell people about it in the news, dont leak anything, and dont throw it on devices unless it really makes a big difference-or after one year! I mean, google will always have their ad revenue to sit on. So I really dont understand the rush to release. ---rant complete---