Was reading in another thread (which was closed while I was writing a reply) that some people here might be confused around what 4G is and whether or not their Cappy can be upgraded to it.
First, the simple answer:
Your Cappy cannot be upgraded to 4G. Now or ever. It is possible that it could be upgraded to HSPA+ with the right software. But that is not 4G. 4G is a different radio access protocol running at different frequencies.
The longer answer:
The source of all this confusion is T-Mobile's marketing department who claim their HSPA+ network is 4G. 4G is not HSPA+ or anything like it. It is 3.5G. Much like GPRS and EDGE were 2.5G. LTE (the real 4G) is far superior to HSPA+ for several reasons regardless of the bandwidth claims. Mainly 4G will not suffer nearly as much from congestion like 3G HSPA / HSPA+. It is that same 3G congestion that motivated AT&T to turn off HSUPA on our phones. It's because AT&T's 3G network (UMTS, HSPA, and HSPA+) is already heavily congested in many markets.
Only posting this so people don't think they can get true 4G on their Cappy. It won't happen.
AT&T is also marketing their 4G service as HSPA+, with LTE technology entering their network late 2011.
bptba93 said:
AT&T is also marketing their 4G service as HSPA+, with LTE technology entering their network late 2011.
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Yes, they've started down that path as well. Just don't expect 4G speeds on any of these "4G" devices unless you're the only smartphone user for miles. I truly wonder what AT&T and eventually T-Mobile will call their LTE networks. 4G 2.0?
From AT&T:
Not all 4G networks are created equal. AT&T is the only carrier that will offer two layers of network technology delivering 4G speeds – HSPA+ and LTE.*
Why does that matter?
When combined with enhanced backhaul, our HSPA+ software upgrade is expected to deliver speeds up to 4x faster than ordinary mobile broadband. And we'll be evolving to even higher speeds with the planned initial launch of our LTE network in mid-2011. When you're traveling on our networks, you'll enjoy faster speeds and a smoother, more consistent mobile broadband experience overall.
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So is HSPA+ just a software upgrade with no hardware enhancements in the cellphones or towers?
I do understand the reasoning behind AT&T doing HSPA+ before LTE as it offers reasonably fast speeds in areas where LTE has not matured. If it is indeed only software based, I wouldn't mind seeing an increase from HSPA 7.2Mbps to pseudo "4G" HSPA+ 21Mbps (although these speeds are "up to") on the captivate. Will HSPA+ be up to 21Mbps right out of the gate?
My brother uses epic 4G on Sprint, and in areas of no 4G wimax, his 3G speeds are abysmal... Has sprint stopped upgrading their 3G and is only concentrating on the expansion of 4G?
According to that, AT&T's HSPA+ will end up faster than Sprint's 4G (3-6Mbps on average and up to 10Mbps) unless they pick up the pace.
For LTE (5-12Mbps) according to Verizon.
So is 4G labeling the technology once fully matured (Up to 100Mbps for both LTE and Wimax) or current speed being delivered? Because Sprint and Verizon do advertise their current technologies as being "4G speeds" which AT&T can defeat if their HSPA+ (56Mbps matured) is 21Mbps out of the gate.
The way I see it is that 4G speeds have never existed and should never have been advertised (started by Sprint), but the technology to get there is currently in the building phase.
First post, so I can't back up the speed claims with links directly to Sprint and Verizon 4G speed pages lol
And please correct me if I'm wrong on anything... I'm here to learn.
4G isn't that far away I think AT&T is playing it safe with the 4G in the future thing. I have a couple friends that install att towers and phone lines they have been crazy busy establishing the 4G network in the major cities in know for a fact that most of Dallas and Ft. Worth will be 4G ready this spring as for outlying areas that will take some time. But if you live in a big city area expect your LTE right off the bat
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LTE is not 4G it still falls under the 3G umbrella along with WIMAX. 4G technologies can do 100M down.
Hydro360 said:
4G isn't that far away I think AT&T is playing it safe with the 4G in the future thing. I have a couple friends that install att towers and phone lines they have been crazy busy establishing the 4G network in the major cities in know for a fact that most of Dallas and Ft. Worth will be 4G ready this spring as for outlying areas that will take some time. But if you live in a big city area expect your LTE right off the bat
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It better be here, it's their home
Does anybody else remember this?
http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com...works-provides-teliasonera-with-advanced-radi
Just thought this could help a bit.
I just need to clarify one more point in addition to OP's post:
Even though HSPA+ is merely a software upgrade in the carrier side (towers), so far it is not the case with phones. So far there is no phone out there that can be software upgraded to take advantage of HSPA+'s higher speed. T-Mo has to release Galaxy S 4G phone to get 4G support. HSPA+ towers offer backward compatibility with current 3G phones but it doesn't mean you will get higher speed by default (much like 11n routers supports 11G and 11B clients but only 11n client can reach the max bandwidth).
And no, HSDPA + HSUPA does not equal to HSPA+.
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LTE is not 4G it still falls under the 3G umbrella along with WIMAX. 4G technologies can do 100M down.
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Only according to a few people within the ITU. 4G is LTE (and for a few sorry sorry suckers, it is WiMAX). Or at least that is how everyone in the industry sees it (outside of T-Mobile USA and now AT&T and a bunch of confused customers).
As far as speeds are concerned, we should treat Mbps throughput ratings with a grain of salt. Those are ideal world, no contention data rates which when taken out of the lab are purely theoretical. HSPA+ is an upgrade. LTE is a whole new set of radio access, backhaul and core technologies.
My friend has a "4G" LTE phone from Verizon and he got 4 or 5 mbps while I got over 5 on HSPA.
Related
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/05/att...s-androids-applications-network-improvements/
The Froyo update for us might give us HSPA+
With all these Android 2.2 phones coming out, it may be even longer before we see the Froyo update. Just my opinion.
Do our phones even have the ability to use HSPA+?
I already get an "h" on my phone where it previously said "3g". No even in a major metro -- Des Moines IA. I use this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=856561
yes att disabled this.
that is why we flash to i9000
In this article they say that are devices are not compatible
"Unfortunately, just like with HSPA+ on T-Mobile, existing HSPA-compatible devices will not be able to utilize HSPA+, but AT&T is set to remedy that with a whole lineup of HSPA+ ready flagship Android devices – Motorola ATRIX 4G, Samsung Infuse 4G, HTC Inspire 4G, a Motorola tablet, and others. Overall, AT&T is set to release 12 Android phones in 2011, between 5 and 7 of them being HSPA+."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...hspa-4g-expansion-12-android-devices-in-2011/
So what you are saying is that ATT is the culprit and our phones are hardware compatible but ATT has forced limitations to neuter our bandwith usage?
Johosophat said:
In this article they say that are devices are not compatible
"Unfortunately, just like with HSPA+ on T-Mobile, existing HSPA-compatible devices will not be able to utilize HSPA+, but AT&T is set to remedy that with a whole lineup of HSPA+ ready flagship Android devices – Motorola ATRIX 4G, Samsung Infuse 4G, HTC Inspire 4G, a Motorola tablet, and others. Overall, AT&T is set to release 12 Android phones in 2011, between 5 and 7 of them being HSPA+."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...hspa-4g-expansion-12-android-devices-in-2011/
So what you are saying is that ATT is the culprit and our phones are hardware compatible but ATT has forced limitations to neuter our bandwith usage?
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you got it.
I think you guys are confusing existing HSPA (currently supported) with the new HSPA+ (just starting to see support).
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I think you guys are confusing existing HSPA (currently supported) with the new HSPA+ (just starting to see support).
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Idk about offical att fw. I care about the network improvements
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That's what I thought, because I was pretty sure our devices weren't HSPA+ capable, just HSPA capable and that it would require the use of different bandwidths and or antennas to work.
What at&t has done is enabled HSDPA and disabled HSUPA which is part of the HSPA specification. The radio in the phone is capable of HSPA speeds up to 14Mbps but not higher AFAIK.
at&t just doesn't release radio firmware that have the faster uplink speeds enabled.
EDIT: Excuse me, the Captivate can't even do 14Mbps. It is locked at 7.2Mbps down and 5.76Mbps up.
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What at&t has done is enabled HSDPA and disabled HSUPA which is part of the HSPA specification. The radio in the phone is capable of HSPA speeds up to 14Mbps but not higher AFAIK.
at&t just doesn't release radio firmware that have the faster uplink speeds enabled.
EDIT: Excuse me, the Captivate can't even do 14Mbps. It is locked at 7.2Mbps down and 5.76Mbps up.
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Just so you know, HSDPA is the downstream bandwidth and HSUPA is the upstream bandwidth.
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Just so you know, HSDPA is the downstream bandwidth and HSUPA is the upstream bandwidth.
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I'm well aware of the differences between the two. Although due to the increased upstream speed and thus reduced latency, HSPA tends to have faster downstream speeds than HSDPA alone as well.
I have noticed in the 3 days since I have had my g2x that I never get 3g, I either get 2g or 4g on my status bar, but never 3g. Anybody else having this issue?? Considering sending it back to TMO for a new one. And yes I have a new similar card, got it about 3 months ago when I had my G2.
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I've noticed the same thing though idk if that's really a bad thing....
They probably lumped 3g and 4g together.
That's what I was thinking but wasn't sure.....has anyone seen 3G on their status bar ever????
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Come to think of it... I haven't.
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I've read other threads here where people report seeing a 3G icon... I haven't seen it myself.
But it's possible that we're in areas where HSPA+ is turned on, which is "4G", and once you leave that range, you are in 2G (EDGE) territory. In other words, there's no area near us that is just HSPA (3G), it's either HSPA+ or EDGE.
Too many people not doing a search. No one has seen the 3g logo/symbol yet. Also a side note for those complaining about 4g speeds:
T-Mobile USA uses the 1700/2100 MHz AWS Band for its 3G network. The carrier states it allows faster download and upload data speeds utilizing HSPA+ technology, which allows for simultaneous voice and data. Upgrades to HSPA+ are planned for 2009 through 2010 which may boost average download speeds from 7.2Mbps to 21Mbps. (Reported from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile)
But my old G2 that I had just a few days ago hag Edge(2G), 3G, and H(HSPA/4G). Now with my new g2x it's either 2G, or 4G. No 3G.
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yes they are lump together. It's always 4g or 2g. It's a marketing thing, they want us to think that we always have 4g, when a lot of the time we're only getting 3g speeds.
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yes they are lump together. It's always 4g or 2g. It's a marketing thing, they want us to think that we always have 4g, when a lot of the time we're only getting 3g speeds.
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This, its not that we don't have 3g. Its that the display in the upper right hand corner says either 2g or 4g.
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yes they are lump together. It's always 4g or 2g. It's a marketing thing, they want us to think that we always have 4g, when a lot of the time we're only getting 3g speeds.
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I agree. My "4G" speeds range from 1.5 Mbps to 7.0 Mbps down depending on my physical location
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Too many people not doing a search. No one has seen the 3g logo/symbol yet. Also a side note for those complaining about 4g speeds:
T-Mobile USA uses the 1700/2100 MHz AWS Band for its 3G network. The carrier states it allows faster download and upload data speeds utilizing HSPA+ technology, which allows for simultaneous voice and data. Upgrades to HSPA+ are planned for 2009 through 2010 which may boost average download speeds from 7.2Mbps to 21Mbps. (Reported from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile)
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Actually there is a thread here where someone stated they did see 3G (I'm skeptical) on a long distance driving trip they did.
There is also a comment from someone that the "missing" 3G icon is a bug TMO is aware of and will fix in the first software update. Take it for what it's worth (although I would believe this one).
You will not see a 3G icon appear on any TMO 4G device.
Here is the reason:T-Mobile is using the same frequencies for 3G as they do for "4G". Meaning they are using the same cell tower/antenna. The upgrade in speed comes from a base station software upgrade and a strengthened backhaul. HSPA+ devices branded as 4G literally cannot tell the difference between 3G and 4G.
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You will not see a 3G icon appear on any TMO 4G device.
Here is the reason:T-Mobile is using the same frequencies for 3G as they do for "4G". Meaning they are using the same cell tower/antenna. The upgrade in speed comes from a base station software upgrade and a strengthened backhaul. HSPA+ devices branded as 4G literally cannot tell the difference between 3G and 4G.
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You forgot a technology: UMTS (on which HSPA is based). It can tell the difference between UMTS and HSPA (but not HSPA and HSPA+). That's why other phones have had separate "3G" and "H" icons. Both were originally 3G technologies (in the same way that GPRS and EDGE are both 2G), but HSPA has been expanded to now qualify as a 4G technology (I'm not going to argue semantics here, HSPA+ is 4G and provides faster speeds than WiMAX).
Has anyone pulled apart the framework-res.apk to see if there's a 3G png in there?
I haven't seen 3g sign either, only 2g or 4g, mostly 2g though, and I'm in vegas... I'm returning the phone for that reason, and I have very bad light bleeding from the top corners too. When calling t mobile, they don't even try to troubleshoot, I guess they r aware of that problem already. Now I'm waiting for another one in the mail
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Too many people not doing a search. No one has seen the 3g logo/symbol yet. Also a side note for those complaining about 4g speeds:
T-Mobile USA uses the 1700/2100 MHz AWS Band for its 3G network. The carrier states it allows faster download and upload data speeds utilizing HSPA+ technology, which allows for simultaneous voice and data. Upgrades to HSPA+ are planned for 2009 through 2010 which may boost average download speeds from 7.2Mbps to 21Mbps. (Reported from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile)
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Just to add: The G2x is limited to 14.4Mbps theoretical maximum download speed So you won't enjoy anywhere near 21Mbps, or 42Mbps which is now rolling out slowly and is already in 3 cities (Las Vegas, NYC, Orlando). The most I've gotten on my G2x is 7.9Mbps down.
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yes they are lump together. It's always 4g or 2g. It's a marketing thing, they want us to think that we always have 4g, when a lot of the time we're only getting 3g speeds.
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This.
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I haven't seen 3g sign either, only 2g or 4g, mostly 2g though, and I'm in vegas... I'm returning the phone for that reason, and I have very bad light bleeding from the top corners too. When calling t mobile, they don't even try to troubleshoot, I guess they r aware of that problem already. Now I'm waiting for another one in the mail
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I can understand returning the phone because of the bleeding but to say your going to return the device because you haven't seen a 3G icon is laughable.
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I haven't seen a 3G icon either but I don't think ir bothers me one bit. In fact, I am trying to grasp why it would bother anyone.
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4G Says UMTS ?????
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I haven't seen a 3G icon either but I don't think ir bothers me one bit. In fact, I am trying to grasp why it would bother anyone.
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My beef is not the lack of a 3G icon, although I have yet to see one on my phone.
My beef is the lack of reception at my work, a problem the Galaxy S 4G and MyTouch 4G dont seem to have.
And why does the phone say UMTS when its on 4G ?
That right there tends to make me think the phone has an issue
(along with poor/no reception at work).
Will the infuse be able to run off the new lte network?
Even I know the answer to this...no
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No no no and..............???? No
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hold up a verizon lte phone to the infuse. the verizon phone will be twice as thick to hold that lte radio.
Nah ATT will have LTE in 5 cities by the end of the summer? I forgot, but yeah ATT is getting LTE.....
LTE is a different band therefore different modem. Infuse doesn't have an LTE modem/hardware. Done.s
Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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no, but there are radio chipsets that can do both. I don't think the infuse has this chip. and the infuse is not spec'd to have lte capabilities.
2g,3g,and 4g are just marketing terms that are supposed to give a general idea to the consumer how fast it is.
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Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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No. He has NO clue.
Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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Well at least you found Jesus...
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Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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That's somewhat more believable - e.g. the hardware is capable but the radio baseband isn't yet.
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Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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the motorola xoom is lte upgradable so ther eis a posibility that the atrix is as well. this says nothing for the infuse. t-mo had the 4g flag on there hspa+ devices months ago and they cannot be upgraded to lte. it is a marketing game that started with sprint (wimax isnt all that fast compared to hspa which can run at 14.4mbps, hspa+ can run at 42mbps but att is only willing to supply 7.2 and 21mbps respectively http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/04/data-speed-showdown-sprint-4g-vs-t-mobile-hspa/) 4g just means that it is faster than 3g was, infact wimax is barely comperable to 3g with hspa on many gsm networks. the 4g flag offers no garentee that it will support lte on any carrieer other than verizon. att reps often speculate and talk out of there assses, many times the information comes from customers and not corperate.
The infuse supports the highest speed of lte and hspa that ATT has out now and it will support the fastest they have by the end of 2011. My ATT Rep (for work) told me so and has one herself.
Edit: btw, my att Rep, represents my entire district, highly doubt she would talk out of her ass, but I do agree that the ones u find in the stores r mostly untrained
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There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
i believe att will wait for the tmobile acquisition to finalize before releasing lte devices so they can use as many bands and cell towers as possible, easing network load issues and increasing coverage speed and reliablility.
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There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
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Most of the population would raise a brow if u even mentioned the terms HSPA or LTE. They didn't advertise it because spending that much money to advertise a feature that only 5% (guesstimate) of the population knows about isn't the brightest idea.
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Most of the population would raise a brow if u even mentioned the terms HSPA or LTE. They didn't advertise it because spending that much money to advertise a feature that only 5% (guesstimate) of the population knows about isn't the brightest idea.
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Verizon built an entire ad campaign around LTE
http://androidcommunity.com/verizon...-its-the-most-advanced-4g-available-20101122/
And I can't seem to find the ad with the kid in the store, but they definitely push the fact that it's 4G LTE upgradeable. If ATT could, they would.
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There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
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Agreed...
As you point out in your next post, carriers do not shy away from using technical terminology in their advertising. Further, even if this were the case, one would expect LTE connectivity to at least be listed on the spec sheet. Not only is it NOT there, but it was not on the sheet I saw back when this thing went to the FCC. I'm not a lawyer, but assuming what was posted was what the FCC was looking at, I believe AT&T would be in violation of the law if this thing supported LTE.
DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
HSPA+ and LTE are NOT the same thing and the radio bands have little to nothing to do with which tech is used. Remember when AT&T had their last Mea Culpa moment and enabled 3G on the 850 MHz band? (Because it penetrates buildings better)
If the Infuse *is* capable of LTE, that's news to everyone. It would be on Samsung's Spec sheet. The manufacturer would want to announce ANYTHING that it's capable of.
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DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
HSPA+ and LTE are NOT the same thing and the radio bands have little to nothing to do with which tech is used.
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I'm from the SGS2 forum and we're having this debate too. A leak of the new 2.3.4 ROM that's supposed to be released at the end of the month has APN's for AT&T's LTE network along with PNGs of their unique LTE logos. So whatever version of the SGS2 AT&Ts releasing, it will run the same ROM as the international version. So, based on what you said about the "tech," what do you think what I just shared means? Is adding the 700mhz frequency to an existing radio all that's necessary to access LTE? Could the existing radios already support the frequency but have it disabled? No one really has a lot of info on LTE so it's kind of a mystery.
Here's an interesting article...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388526,00.asp
Does TMobile not have a 3G speed?
Im always on EDGE unless I go Downtown. Then its HSPA+
Its never HSPA.
Verizon has 3G AND LTE coverage? wtf
BUMP.
I really want to know the reason for the issue
T-Mobile's '4G' network is just an enhanced version of their 3G network. So when you see 4G in some areas, you might actually be running on 3G speeds.
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T-Mobile's '4G' network is just an enhanced version of their 3G network. So when you see 4G in some areas, you might actually be running on 3G speeds.
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I know that much,
but I never get HSPA (3G) unless Im directly under HSPA+(4G)
Basically I am always on EDGE unless I'm downtown.
Other TMO phones and VErizon have 3G coverage nearly everywhere..they never drop to EDGE or 2G
Correct me if I'm wrong, but t mobile does not have true 4g. When you get the 4g icon on your phone, that's just their enhanced 3g. So you are getting 3g. From what I've read i think they just upgraded their 3g towers with hshpa+ which only hsdpa+ enabled phones like the sensation 4g can take advantage of. What you're really missing is true 4g
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but t mobile does not have true 4g. When you get the 4g icon on your phone, that's just their enhanced 3g. So you are getting 3g. From what I've read i think they just upgraded their 3g towers with hshpa+ which only hsdpa+ enabled phones like the sensation 4g can take advantage of. What you're really missing is true 4g
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I feel as no one is fully understanding what I'm trying to say.
I know 4G is really an overmarketed 3G+
Now, Tmobile phones and other services receive 3G where I only receive "2G" .
But I do receive HSPA+ when I go downtown.
Why dont I receive normal 3G speeds like other devices?
Its either EDGE or HSPA+
Never an inbetween
Check T-Mobile's website, where you live probably doesn't have or hasn't been upgraded to the 3G/4G service yet. Layman's term; the towers around your house don't support 3G/4G. Call T-Mobile and have them check.
This is common in a lot of suburbs that have a low population. Like you mentioned when you go downtown, you'll have 3G but not at home.
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Check T-Mobile's website, where you live probably doesn't have or hasn't been upgraded to the 3G/4G service yet. Layman's term; the towers around your house don't support 3G/4G. Call T-Mobile and have them check.
This is common in a lot of suburbs that have a low population. Like you mentioned when you go downtown, you'll have 3G but not at home.
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Hopefully your right. Hate it to be a problem with my SIM or phone.
I dont live but 5minutes from downtown.
Very residential but still out of the way, so like i said hopefully your right
I can directly relate to your problem. First off, I didn't know that T-Mobile's 4G is just 3G+, but that's good to know. I've had the HTC Sensation 4G for over 3 months, and I've travelled all over LA and the only services I've seen are 4G, 2G, & G. I've yet to see 3G.
I'll see my Sensation jump between "H" and "3G" all the time - essentially the same thing, as noted.
(in case this was part of your question) "Standard 3G" (such as what AT&T offers) isn't available on TMOUS because they missed out on buying part of the "standard 3G" spectrum.
Before my Sensation I had a Legend (still do actually) - it's a "standard GSM/3G" phone. Without the TMOUS-specific radio, best data I could get was EDGE. (though if I went to UK and used a local SIM, I'd get 3G just fine due to compatibility with their 3G nets)
Hey guys!
Is there a way we can disable the 4G connection and only use 3G? Any help that you guys can as provide will be greatly appreciated!
There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
4G = 3G
Shaliuno said:
There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
4G = 3G
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4G LTE = LTE (our phone doesn't support it)
4G = 3G + extra stuff to be better... but still techically 4G as it's AT&T's 4th generation of technology
3G = 3G
But I don't think that there's a way you can disable "4G" and only use 3G... you can disable 3G/4G and only use 2G though.
ATRIX 2 supports 21mbit hspa+ that's what they call 4G. 3g is really just slower versions of hspa+ for us. Post above is correct about LTE. LTE is better than hspa+ also.
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Shaliuno said:
There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
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my wifes iphone 4 must suck then.
hers is a "3g" and gets about 1.25 mbps
my atrix 2 4G gets 4.45 mbps
i think 4g is a bunch faster than 3g.....
or its just that the iphone a generally crap.
take your pick i suppose.
matt99017d said:
my wifes iphone 4 must suck then.
hers is a "3g" and gets about 1.25 mbps
my atrix 2 4G gets 4.45 mbps
i think 4g is a bunch faster than 3g.....
or its just that the iphone a generally crap.
take your pick i suppose.
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Well it's both really .
But our phone is about as fast as you can get on AT&T's network without using LTE. The OG Atrix also was "4G" but it was only 14.x mb/sec while our A2's radio supports up to 21.x mb/sec (or something around there). The iPhone X's only support 3G.
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ATRIX 2 supports 21mbit hspa+ that's what they call 4G. 3g is really just slower versions of hspa+ for us. Post above is correct about LTE. LTE is better than hspa+ also.
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Not too sure what you guys are meaning when you say better....
I was interested in the differences a while back and after researching around quite a bit, found that the speeds really depended on the phone's programming more so than whether it was LTE or HSPA+.
cowenby said:
Not too sure what you guys are meaning when you say better....
I was interested in the differences a while back and after researching around quite a bit, found that the speeds really depended on the phone's programming more so than whether it was LTE or HSPA+.
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LTE has higher bandwidth, and is less populated. HSPA+ can go up to 21mbit, yes, (which is less than LTE) BUT most AT&T HSPA+ deployments are 7mbit or 14mbit.
HSPA+ users typically see ~4-5mbit or so, maybe up to 7mbit on a 14.4mbit cell, but LTE users typically can see 9-11mbit+.
The best speedtest I have ever gotten on my phone was in the 5mbit range. SLC only has 7mbit HSPA+ from what I can tell, and since AT&T is going to LTE, it appears they wont be upgrading the HSPA+ network any more.
you're lucky. Around my area all you can get is 2-3 mbs.
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you're lucky. Around my area all you can get is 2-3 mbs.
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Thats what I usually get too, but if I am right near a cell tower I can get the ~5mbit speeds.
Yeah, "4G" is actually HSPA+, which AT&T actually was going to call 3G+. The 4G crap came around because T-Mobile marketed it that way and if AT&T stuck with 3G+ they took the risk of people thinking T-Mobile was faster and losing customers. LTE was what they planned to call 4G.
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Thats what I usually get too, but if I am right near a cell tower I can get the ~5mbit speeds.
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Yeah, i'm in Orlando and normally getting 2-4 mbps...
I visited Boston a few Weeks ago and was getting 13!!!!!
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Their hspa+ is like 3.5 g its def better then reg 3g
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I feel as if their labeling of 4g was a bit deceiving as well but its understandable if it was meant to keep up with TMobile because of all the confusion between 4g and 4g lte.
The good news is that I don't believe our 4g is as battery-consuming as 4g lte, its probably about the same as regular 3g.
If you're wanting to limit it to 2g though there is a way to do it even though the menu is left out from our 'Settings'. Use anycut to get to network settings directly and choose GSM only.
At least T-Mobile's HSPA+ is significantly faster than "3G" - not an entirely undeserved title for them. ATT...not so much.
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At least T-Mobile's HSPA+ is significantly faster than "3G" - not an entirely undeserved title for them. ATT...not so much.
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i got 13mbs on at&t so it works good for me
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i got 13mbs on at&t so it works good for me
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That's pretty good. Max I've seen is 11mbit down.
I didn't believe it at first so I reran the speedtest a couple times to make sure.
Mine has topped out around 9Mbps, sadly.
It's not throughput that's bad on a decent 3G network, a lot of time's it's the latency. Meh. Whatever. Long live LTE.
I ran just ran the speedtest.net app and I have 7.20 mbps down and 1.13 up here in Atlanta. Thats even better than basic dsl albiet cable beats it easily....