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Granted there are glaring inaccuracies in this article, but the woman who was blocked was using a droid X. Anyone seen this yet on their phones?
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/verizon_blocks_hotspot_tethering_for_jailbroken_de.php
I laughed reading this article. We've had people here using 40+ gb and weren't moved. I have no worries with mine.
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The fact that they use the word jailbroken throughout the entire article throws it credibility out the window for me.
I have ginger bread and tether with wireless tether app beta 3.2 works perfect and full speed
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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Exactly, my reason for posting this was to see if anyone had started getting screwed....
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Verizon knows if you're tethering or not. So far they haven't chosen to do anything about it, but if you read your contract (actually read it) you'll see that they can really screw you if they want to, and you'll get no reach around...
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How do they know?
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How do they know?
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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So, that means if we are using a custom rom then they can only know by watching network traffic?
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They can monitor from software in the Android OS built into the stock VZW rom and sometimes watching the network traffic can point to good clues also
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Is it even legal for them to monitor your phone in such a way? The ROM bit, that is.
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VZW knows because I doubt that your phone has IE to browse the web, or Safari for that matter, and other such things can tell them quite easily if you are tethering or not, disregarding the amount of data transferred. Add in the amount of data transferred, and you kind of stick out like a sore thumb when you're tethering.
Also, the hotspot monitoring stuff on the phone doesn't do anything besides watch to see if you are tethering illegally or not, so I'm pretty sure that if you did try to press the legality point of view, they'd come back and dig into whether or not you were tethering, cause odds are, if you are bringing up this point, it is for a reason.
I came from the Droid X and with the GB update and the baseband update they can now tell if you are tethering. Verizon warned the devs and the devs took notice for the moto roms. Those devs no longer provide nor will endorse root tethering apps. There was something about liability issues so the devs are abiding by Verizon's wishes. They are telling all that if you want to tether, pay the monthly fee for the service. Therefore; when the Charge gets the official GB update with baseband, tether at your own risk if you are not paying for it.
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IMNUTS is correct. When you are using a tethering app, your data packets are preceeded with a special code that identifies that packet as being tethered. Verizon is now monitoring these. Black Hat had a hack that yoy could change that code, but they removed that a long time ago for obvious reasons. They now suggest not using it and just pay the money for tethering. This is why devs are no longer including the root tethering apps to give free tethering with their roms anymore. Too much risk to them personally for something that most do for fun.
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VZ most definitely can tell when you are tethering, though by using custom roms/kernels and using disguised tethering apps it just makes it less obvious... I doubt they're really gonna care tbh unless you're hitting some ridiculous number like say 30+ gigs a month, cuz seriously just using the phone normally it shouldn't be that high. From there they can choose to throttle your data speeds or drop your unlimited data plan altogether... also there is no way around this as they block/slow data server-side so its under their control
tl;dr they can almost 100% tell you're tethering and might take action, but probably won't unless you're retarded and pulling in a hundred gigs a month in PHONE data
I only tether when I'm on business or somewhere for a while that doesn't have wifi. So I use less than 2g of data a month. I doubt they'd hunt me down, some of these people who tether 15+ gigs a month may have issues soon.
nobody happen to read the pdf posted in the comments of that site? Apparently Verizon cannot restrict you of downloading a tether program and using the data as such. When Verizon purchased the 700mhz spectrum for their LTE service they agreed they would not " deny, limit, or restrict the ability of
[its] customers to use the devices and applications of their choice". To me that sounds like Verizon is stepping outside their rights... However we end users agreeing to their terms and services might negate that all together.
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Is it even legal for them to monitor your phone in such a way? The ROM bit, that is.
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
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nobody happen to read the pdf posted in the comments of that site? Apparently Verizon cannot restrict you of downloading a tether program and using the data as such. When Verizon purchased the 700mhz spectrum for their LTE service they agreed they would not " deny, limit, or restrict the ability of
[its] customers to use the devices and applications of their choice". To me that sounds like Verizon is stepping outside their rights... However we end users agreeing to their terms and services might negate that all together.
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this goes back to the contract as well you can use whatever program you want but when it comes to using their network its their rules
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
this goes back to the contract as well you can use whatever program you want but when it comes to using their network its their rules
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true, but fact is they are not following their agreement to the company they purchased the service from. Also, in verizon's contract they state if they change their service in anyway that has a negative impact on your account\service you are free to opt out of their contract free of charge (so I read back when tier data was being set forth). That being said blocking tethering might be a plausible reason for early termination of contract, legally.
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when you blindly sign a contract they can generally do as they please, you have a choice but the alternative is to not have a cell phone :/
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Not necessarily... The contract's terms still have to be legal, and their conduct regarding that contract has to be legal.
If you sign a contract to kill someone wanting to commit suicide and you follow through with it, you are still lawfully going to be tried for murder.
Verizon is still subject to privacy laws, regardless of what the contract says. I think even if they know you are tethering, which at this point seems more like an educated guess, I don't know if they can really be too audacious with reprimanding people. There's a whole mess of legal implications stemming from the aforementioned agreement when they purchased that spectrum that I think they're not willing to taunt just yet, if ever.
There is a kernel module that is in the code that specifies tethering or not. You can't use wifi without the module, as I already tried. There is a by-pass that is being used on the Fascinate, but we haven't had any confirmation about whether it works or not, and I'm not going to go through the trouble of implementing an un-proven work around just so people can tether illegally. If you want to tether, take the risk of getting caught, or pay $30.
So I have been only using EE4 ROMS because I have heard that rooting and using wifi tether apps on gingerbread will lead to my 4g getting throttled down and my VZW bill to skyrocket. Is there a consensus on whether or not this is true. And if its true on stock gingerbread maybe a rom like humble or gummy would have addressed this so that VZW cant tell? Its the only thing stopping me from making the jump. Thanks for your help!
haven't heard of it happening to anyone I know irl or on forums... I'd say yeah go ahead and tether just don't use huge amounts of data, I think with a little tethering and basic usage I hit 10-12gb a month and no cap/throttling
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VZ can definitely tell what you're doing.
The question is whether or not they do anything about it.
They have never charged me, but I use as little data as possible when tethering.
~John
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VZ can definitely tell what you're doing.
The question is whether or not they do anything about it.
They have never charged me, but I use as little data as possible when tethering.
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A common misconception is that VZW "knows" that you're tethering, which isn't entirely accurate. They have the ability to tell, but due to the nature of that ability, it wouldn't be economical to do it to all of the tens of millions of people with data plans.
One way they can tell is by looking at where the data packets from your phone are going. It is illegal for them to look "inside" of the packets, of course, but they can kind of guesstimate how likely it is that you're tethering by detecting where the traffic is going. Your phone wouldn't have any normal reason to be sending a ton of traffic to Call of Duty's servers, for instance.
At the end of the day, VZW makes more money from your monthly fee than they would charging you an ETF and degrading your plan, which would almost certainly cause you to jump ship. They most likely target a minority of people to make an example of as a deterrent to scare prospective root tetherers... But aren't going to do it to everyone, regardless of their ability to tell.
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A common misconception is that VZW "knows" that you're tethering, which isn't entirely accurate. They have the ability to tell, but due to the nature of that ability, it wouldn't be economical to do it to all of the tens of millions of people with data plans.
One way they can tell is by looking at where the data packets from your phone are going. It is illegal for them to look "inside" of the packets, of course, but they can kind of guesstimate how likely it is that you're tethering by detecting where the traffic is going. Your phone wouldn't have any normal reason to be sending a ton of traffic to Call of Duty's servers, for instance.
At the end of the day, VZW makes more money from your monthly fee than they would charging you an ETF and degrading your plan, which would almost certainly cause you to jump ship. They most likely target a minority of people to make an example of as a deterrent to scare prospective root tetherers... But aren't going to do it to everyone, regardless of their ability to tell.
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^^^ this
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A common misconception is that VZW "knows" that you're tethering, which isn't entirely accurate. They have the ability to tell, but due to the nature of that ability, it wouldn't be economical to do it to all of the tens of millions of people with data plans.
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This is correct & what I meant by my post although you worded it much more clearly than I did.
I agree about making examples of the idiots like the poster here who posted a scan of his VZ bill laughing about the fact that he used over 32 gigs of data the previous month & said he did that every month...............
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/07/31/droid-charge-receiving-minor-update-to-fp5/
Only weighs in at 19.3MB using the old changelog but if you check out Verizon's document it says it's 29.30 MB.
From RW:
Corrected Issues:
1) A software change was made to support the latest requirement for eHRPD to HRPD fallback
2) A software change was made to support the latest requirement for IPV6 in EHRPD
3) A software change was made to address an issue causing a audio screeching sound to be heard when users have an active application playing in the back ground and you receive and answer an incoming call
4) A software change was made to address an issue that was causing a continuous noise or notification tone to be heard that started during a phone power up and would not stop until you pulled down the status bar in some rare cases
5) A software change was made to the calculations used for determining what is displayed to better reflect the signal available.
6) A software change was made to address an issue causing the device to drop down to 3G service earlier then it should in some cases
7) A software change was made to address an issue causing devices to show no signal and roaming when a specific PRL file (I5103) is loaded on the device
*sigh*
One of the notes is that USB tethering is Disabled when on WiFi, under the updated system. Has anyone determined if the WiFi thethering hotspot hacks will still work?
I wonder if we'll get a pbj for this since he sold his charge and all.
Also the fcc just ruled that vzw isn't allowed to block tethering and in the release notes they say that they removed the "upgrade to tethering" button in mobile hotspot.
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any idea when this is going to roll out?
Before the rezound gets ics.
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Before the rezound gets ics.
Military grade i-510
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Maybe before official ICS, but we have leaks and we have AOSP.
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Also the fcc just ruled that vzw isn't allowed to block tethering
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Note that it only applies to tiered data plans. They're still well within their rights to block tethering for those with unlimited plans.
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Note that it only applies to tiered data plans. They're still well within their rights to block tethering for those with unlimited plans.
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Yeah I guess they would try anything to get people off unlimited...
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My layman's reading was that it applied to everyone, but the main point was that they could not try to block 3rd party tethering apps anymore. Could explain why WiFi Tether showed up in the Market. From my reading the tiered vs. unlimited point was mainly used by Verizon as a defense.
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My layman's reading was that it applied to everyone, but the main point was that they could not try to block 3rd party tethering apps anymore. Could explain why WiFi Tether showed up in the Market. From my reading the tiered vs. unlimited point was mainly used by Verizon as a defense.
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My using the term "block" was incorrect. Essentially, they can still charge the tethering fee to those on unlimited plans...
In addition, the company recently revised its service offerings such that consumers on usage-based
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The FCC had no problem with that: Source
All i care to see is the "new ui"
So this will probably hit this time next week?!
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So this will probably hit this time next week?!
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Since its been approved... The answer is... It depends.
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Hopefully this little update hits today
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/10/droid-charge-update-to-fp5-finally-ready/
So, since this is the second time its been posted... should we expect this next week sometime?!
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I keep thinking I'm going to get a new phone as soon as I can. Dwitherell is doing a great job on developing roms but Imnuts is not doing kernels for the charge any more. Development for the Charge is almost at a standstill. I'm not excited about FP5 at all. I'm never going to run stock software in a smart phone. There's just way too much bloatware.
So? Root it and remove the bloatware. I haven't installed DW's rom because my phone is critical for work and I spend too much time at work and commuting to deal with any extra issues. But I've got to say that it's been damn hard not too bite the bullet and flash it. I know it's awesome.
I've debloated it and added extended battery. 4g coverage is good and don't need gps. Yeah, we'll never see ICS or JB on this phone but it works for those that don't have to suffer the squealing.
It's first generation 4g. I don't expect the world and my laptop can more than handle anything this phone can't.
Seriously - you can see the difference just rooted and debloated. Try it.
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talk to a VZW technician today, and he said the FP5 supposedly fixes the squealing and unblocks some websites that folks were having troubles with.
With the latest announcement is there any chance people on prepaid getting some love? I'm on the $30, 100 minute, be nice to get wifi calling
From what I've read Wi-Fi calling is something that has to be built into the OS, framework, etc. It's also closed source, so it's pretty tricky to reverse engineer. Who knows though, it's not impossible!
I don't think they'd put it in the oneplus one. The new uncarrier features leans users to stick with t mobile branded phones. Phones that have monthly payments to t mobile. Even the nexus isn't supported
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From what I've read Wi-Fi calling is something that has to be built into the OS, framework, etc. It's also closed source, so it's pretty tricky to reverse engineer. Who knows though, it's not impossible!
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I thought as much. Hoping they would make the necessary api available to Cyanogen...pipe dream for now I guess
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I thought as much. Hoping they would make the necessary api available to Cyanogen...pipe dream for now I guess
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I'm hoping Voice over LTE gets enabled for the OPO.
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I've finally gotten tired of dealing with all that I've had to deal with for having an android phone on VZW. I'm tired of having to hack a phone just to get it to work correctly and even then it wasn't a garauntee. Android you were fun while you lasted...been with you since Eclair was new
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Androids not the problem its Verizon. I think you just jumped out of the frying pan, if you went Apple. ?
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I've finally gotten tired of dealing with all that I've had to deal with for having an android phone on VZW. I'm tired of having to hack a phone just to get it to work correctly and even then it wasn't a garauntee. Android you were fun while you lasted...been with you since Eclair was new
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I thought Android was the darkside . My wife and I went to Best Buy on Friday for new phones. I have always purchased Andriod and she always get's an iPhone. My wife got a 6S which was just made available and I seriously considered getting one also. One thing about iPhones is that though they are locked down they just work and they work great. I have owned 3 Android tablets and 5 phones. It seems like I spend more time tweaking them with rooting and ROMs than using them. My wife never does anything with her phone but install apps and she never have issues. So after about 15 minutes with a patient young sales girl I ended up with the S6 anyway. I was lucky enough to get an OE2 firmware and I already rooted. But I'm seriously considering taking the latest update and get out of the rooting and ROMs hassle. I have about 10 days left to decide if I going to keep or return the S6. My main concern is the battery. I'm retired and I have a landline so I probably don't use my phone as much as most people here but I travel often and don't want to worry about running out of juice. So if the S6 doesn't pan out I'm leaving the darkside for an iPhone.
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Androids not the problem its Verizon. I think you just jumped out of the frying pan, if you went Apple. ?
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It may not be inherently an issue with Android, but the issues Android has on verizon are not present on Apple devices.
When Apple agreed to place the iPhone on VZW, Verizon had to give them sole control of their software. The only thing VZW does is the baseband and radio for their networks. Everything else is in Apple's sole control. There is no verizon bloatware, VZW can NOT add or remove any software or features, ie...Samsung pay....
I believe that many of the issues that Android devices suffer from stem directly from verizon putting their noses where they don't belong.
It's taken years for me to get to this point. I've owned numerous Android phones from all of the manufacturers, and it's truly been an enjoyable ride. But the increasingly difficult security coupled with vzw's encroachment into the software side of the house has driven me to get fed up with it all. I just want a phone that works....that doesn't suffer from horrible memory leaks, that has decent battery life, that isn't plagued with cell standby issues, and evidently going to the iPhone is the only reliable way to do that.
I like the S6. But it does have it's issues. The main one for me is battery life. This could be because they decided to shrink the battery down or from software flaws...ie cell standby, memory management, or bluetooth being enabled never allows the phone to go into deep sleep (this is a new one I started experiencing a few weeks ago). Plain and simple....I have owned the S6 since launch day and the battery life is terrible. I have yet to get through a half a day without needing to charge and that is just unacceptable to me. My fiance has had her iphone 6s since the 24th and has only charged it twice. With 3-4 hr on screen time a day and pandora running for about an hour a day.
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It may not be inherently an issue with Android, but the issues Android has on verizon are not present on Apple devices.
When Apple agreed to place the iPhone on VZW, Verizon had to give them sole control of their software. The only thing VZW does is the baseband and radio for their networks. Everything else is in Apple's sole control. There is no verizon bloatware, VZW can NOT add or remove any software or features, ie...Samsung pay....
I believe that many of the issues that Android devices suffer from stem directly from verizon putting their noses where they don't belong.
It's taken years for me to get to this point. I've owned numerous Android phones from all of the manufacturers, and it's truly been an enjoyable ride. But the increasingly difficult security coupled with vzw's encroachment into the software side of the house has driven me to get fed up with it all. I just want a phone that works....that doesn't suffer from horrible memory leaks, that has decent battery life, that isn't plagued with cell standby issues, and evidently going to the iPhone is the only reliable way to do that.
I like the S6. But it does have it's issues. The main one for me is battery life. This could be because they decided to shrink the battery down or from software flaws...ie cell standby, memory management, or bluetooth being enabled never allows the phone to go into deep sleep (this is a new one I started experiencing a few weeks ago). Plain and simple....I have owned the S6 since launch day and the battery life is terrible. I have yet to get through a half a day without needing to charge and that is just unacceptable to me. My fiance has had her iphone 6s since the 24th and has only charged it twice. With 3-4 hr on screen time a day and pandora running for about an hour a day.
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This is very true. I love Android, but I am sick of having to jump through holes just to get it to be clean. I hate how Verizon butchers everything and Samsung doesn't have the balls to stand up to them. Apple is able to do that. I have no hatred against Android nor iOS. I go by features that fit my requirements and the S6 has the best - Primary being the camera. However, I've noticed my photos have been blurry and the S6 can't decide what to do in low-light and doesn't use flash, which forces me to have people re-pose what should have been candid. I do believe the iPhone 6s will have the better camera (or at least he software to use the camera) and I would like to jump to it. It's just, the lack of IR, private mode (obviously just software), and battery life/fast charging, are big killers for me. Given the smaller battery and worse battery life, charging the damn thing is so slow. At least implement a fast charging feature and I can overlook my laziness of looking for my TV remote and privacy mode.
Bye. Please enjoy being told what you can and cannot install on your own phone!
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Bye. Please enjoy being told what you can and cannot install on your own phone!
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You do realize that Android / VZW do the exact same thing right? There is nothing that Android offers that Apple doesn't that's actually useful to me...I like widgets and such but I don't need them. And you know what? At least apple doesn't feel it necessary to force a hard warning about volume levels damaging my hearing...
Use to new able to remove that annoying little stuff via rooting/terminal emulator/ or romming.....well that's all but impossible now
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I can relate to what the OP is saying. I have had an android phone on Verizon since the OG Moto Droid. I enjoyed tweaking Android phones. I have the S6 64gb right now. I love certain features of the phone but it is flawed. I was hoping that the new Nexus phones would be great and they probably will. However I don't want to have to buy a phablet to get good specs and better battery life.
I just purchased the iPhone 6s for my wife. Were on vzw and I may switch myself. It is a struggle cause I don't know anything but Android.
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You do realize that Android / VZW do the exact same thing right? There is nothing that Android offers that Apple doesn't that's actually useful to me...I like widgets and such but I don't need them. And you know what? At least apple doesn't feel it necessary to force a hard warning about volume levels damaging my hearing...
Use to new able to remove that annoying little stuff via rooting/terminal emulator/ or romming.....well that's all but impossible now
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And I'd rather not be able to install apps that I may use occasionally versus having VZW for their crap products onto my phone and screwing it up in the process
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And please do tell me what's available on android that's not available on Apple devices? Other than gimmicks like widgets....which apple has kind of figured out a way to do those as well
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And please do tell me what's available on android that's not available on Apple devices? Other than gimmicks like widgets....which apple has kind of figured out a way to do those as well
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Haha enjoy your walled garden dude. I hope Apple approves of all the apps you want to install because you're not installing them otherwise. Maybe you don't have a problem with it but I hate being told what I can and cannot install. If I have to sit here and point out all the things you can't do on iOS that you can do on Android then you're better off with iJunk anyway. Have fun! Say hi to the "geniuses" for me. Once again, bye.
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Haha enjoy your walled garden dude. I hope Apple approves of all the apps you want to install because you're not installing them otherwise. Maybe you don't have a problem with it but I hate being told what I can and cannot install. If I have to sit here and point out all the things you can't do on iOS that you can do on Android then you're better off with iJunk anyway. Have fun! Say hi to the "geniuses" for me. Once again, bye.
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Still can't come up with anything? Face it dude....as time goes by they are getting to be more similar....
I love fan boys it's always hilarious
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Still can't come up with anything? Face it dude....as time goes by they are getting to be more similar....
I love fan boys it's always hilarious
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Oh you mean like the people who post about Apple in the GS6 forum just for attention? Just switch and leave. Change your iphone launcher or sideload an app. Maybe use NFC to initiate a macro. Activate your notification light with different colors for different apps... the list is endless. I'm not sure what you are looking for.
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Oh you mean like the people who post about Apple in the GS6 forum just for attention? Just switch and leave. Change your iphone launcher or sideload an app. Maybe use NFC to initiate a macro. Activate your notification light with different colors for different apps... the list is endless. I'm not sure what you are looking for.
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I'm far past the point in my life where I need to be validated by anonymous people on the Internet...chances are...judging by your behavior....I was using Android while you were still in elementary school. If you'd bother to have read my posts, you'd know that I've been using /hacking /flashing android devices since long before they became mainstream. Get over yourself
My post was meant for those users (who btw outnumber you in this thread) that may be in similar situations or experiences.
Changing my launcher? I don't even do that on android devices....too many bugs most of the time. Use NFC to initiate a Macro? I've done that, and it can make things a little more convenient. But I would rather use it to pay at the store. Something you can't do with the S6 because verizon has the android companies by the balls and just says "we aren't going to allow you have that feature" ...changing led colors? Really? Why even mention that?
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I can relate to what the OP is saying. I have had an android phone on Verizon since the OG Moto Droid. I enjoyed tweaking Android phones. I have the S6 64gb right now. I love certain features of the phone but it is flawed. I was hoping that the new Nexus phones would be great and they probably will. However I don't want to have to buy a phablet to get good specs and better battery life.
I just purchased the iPhone 6s for my wife. Were on vzw and I may switch myself. It is a struggle cause I don't know anything but Android.
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That's what I'm saying. I've been doing it for so long it's just become second nature. I miss the OG Droid....that was a tinkerers dream. After years of doing it though, I'd rather spend the time doing things that are more fun. In other words, I don't care about customization options or 3rd party apps anymore. I just want a phone that actually works and works well out of the box, not needing any intervention on my part other than picking it up and turning it on.
This most recent issue with my bluetooth not allowing my phone to sleep was the straw that broke the camels back for me. Could I fix the problem? Probably....do I want to devote the time to it? Nope....not anymore.
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GoBears said:
Oh you mean like the people who post about Apple in the GS6 forum just for attention? Just switch and leave. Change your iphone launcher or sideload an app. Maybe use NFC to initiate a macro. Activate your notification light with different colors for different apps... the list is endless. I'm not sure what you are looking for.
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Don't see why you're bashing on what other people want to do with a freaking cell phone choice. You insinuating other people trolling here when you're the troll yourself. Get off your high horse and enjoy the phone that YOU have and let other people do what they want. You're not going to convince anyone talking crap on them. Get over yourself
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harrytery said:
Don't see why you're bashing on what other people want to do with a freaking cell phone choice. You insinuating other people trolling here when you're the troll yourself. Get off your high horse and enjoy the phone that YOU have and let other people do what they want. You're not going to convince anyone talking crap on them. Get over yourself
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Until recently you would have been hard pressed to find a bigger advocate for Android than me. There were always two features that kept me with Samsung...a removable battery and expandable storage. But when you remove those two features and basically make an iPhone clone you are going to lose on the software front. Especially when your hobbled by VZW and all the crap that they do to mess up a pretty good product.
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harrytery said:
Don't see why you're bashing on what other people want to do with a freaking cell phone choice. You insinuating other people trolling here when you're the troll yourself. Get off your high horse and enjoy the phone that YOU have and let other people do what they want. You're not going to convince anyone talking crap on them. Get over yourself
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Hey pot meet the kettle. I find it ironic how YOU (lol at that btw) brought absolutely nothing to the conversation except an attack on me. At least I brought facts into it along with my opinion. You're just a troll yourself.
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nateohio said:
Until recently you would have been hard pressed to find a bigger advocate for Android than me. There were always two features that kept me with Samsung...a removable battery and expandable storage. But when you remove those two features and basically make an iPhone clone you are going to lose on the software front. Especially when your hobbled by VZW and all the crap that they do to mess up a pretty good product.
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Yeah VZW could mess up a wet dream, that I cannot argue lol. Samsung I give credit to because at least they try change, for better or for worse, at least they try.
Eddie Hicks said:
I thought Android was the darkside . My wife and I went to Best Buy on Friday for new phones. I have always purchased Andriod and she always get's an iPhone. My wife got a 6S which was just made available and I seriously considered getting one also. One thing about iPhones is that though they are locked down they just work and they work great. I have owned 3 Android tablets and 5 phones. It seems like I spend more time tweaking them with rooting and ROMs than using them. My wife never does anything with her phone but install apps and she never have issues. So after about 15 minutes with a patient young sales girl I ended up with the S6 anyway. I was lucky enough to get an OE2 firmware and I already rooted. But I'm seriously considering taking the latest update and get out of the rooting and ROMs hassle. I have about 10 days left to decide if I going to keep or return the S6. My main concern is the battery. I'm retired and I have a landline so I probably don't use my phone as much as most people here but I travel often and don't want to worry about running out of juice. So if the S6 doesn't pan out I'm leaving the darkside for an iPhone.
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I have an S6 and the battery is a LOT better than I thought it would be. I use my phone CONSTANTLY for work everyday outside with the brightness all the way up and I usually make it home most days with a little juice left. I have a Mophie case on it everyday but rarely have to use it.
There both good operating systems it doesn't have to be one or the other yea a nexus is fun to flash the **** out of it but obviously Apple doing something right too it's more about Verizons locked bootloaders.