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Minimo (FireFox) Browser for WinCE released

:lol: Always wanted Netscape/Mozilla/FireFox/MiniMO on your WinCEPocketPC! :lol:
Mozilla Org released minimo which will be the best browser ever
Tabbed Browsing
Works on Internet Banking site etc etc
Goodbye Opera and PIE
8)
Heres the Link: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
Regards
Skillie

somebody found America?

It's still *very* early stages. OK, so it renders better than anything else, but the rest of the interface is nasty. It's also hideously slow to respond on both 400Mhz XDA2 and 600Mhz iPaq. And the keyboard doesn't work in landscape mode. TBH a custom soft keyboard would be better.
Wait til 0.7 before you expect any sort of useable version (Current version is 0.013!)
There is a little-known browser called Thunderhawk which renders brilliantly to a 320x240 screen in landscape by scaling everything down. But it's a bit sluggish, and they seem to pass *all* traffic through their own server to perform preprocessing (and thus you need to pay a subscription.) I think Minimo has the potential to blow all of them out of the water if it can be faster than Opera and as impressive in its output as Thunderhawk.

Wait, WM5 only?
*tries it on his 2003SE device anyway*

If you're looking for a tabbed browser try ftxPBrowser. Same engine as PIE, so compatible with most sites. Also it uses the same favorites, cookies & cache. History seems not to be working though. & it's only 75K:!:
Regards, M

Many people don't like the IE rendering engine, or the IE way of rendering (e.g. Opera) which is why they seek alternatives.
Further, the reason it's "only 75k" is because it's not a browser. Whoever wrote it - and PIE - didn't actually write a browser themselves, they just instructed IE to render the page into the area they specified. The tabs just switch between visible IE areas. In short, if you uninstall IE then it won't work. It's like taking a Fiat Cinqecento and putting a Peugeot 407 body on it, then saying it's a whole new car which is very light but looks just as good as something else. If you take the Fiat out, it doesn't go any more.
(Coders out there - I know this is technically very loose, but I'm trying to put this simply for someone who doesn't understand the relevance of MiniMo)

Excuse me for being so dumb... I know what Minimo is about, tried it & opera (mini too) & thunderhawk as well.
Problem is though that PIE is still the most compatible:!:
I use firefox on my PC & probably will be using minimo when it's working properly. But at the moment minimo is almost useless from the user point of view.
Yes you got me P on this.

Minimo is also currently around 10Mb.... bit large methinks. (and bloody slow)

My take on this
Minimo is slow
Opera is fiddly and the download thing is a HUGE prob plus takes up too much space
PIE seems to work fine.
What exactly is up with PIE ? I mean on a desktop Mozilla rules but on a handheld ???

Huge problem with PIE for many people is that it's a M$ product. Personal I don't mind.
Serious problem is that it doesn't render, one column does help a little & there's the lack of tabs. For this last I use ftxPBrowser. Problem with that one is the lack of history & most important downloads are very problematic if not impossible.
Which make me use ftxPBrowser & Opera mini (no https :-( ) for browsing & PIE for downloads.
Now it's waiting for a good rendering, downloading & secured browser.
Cheers, M

Strange thing I know about people disloking MS progs, I know people do not like them, the thing is why are they using devices with MS op system on them when they could be using a Symbian unit.

It's a real problem, huh?
Palm and symbian have some really nice software to run on their devices, I'm especially a fan of the UIQ stuff that SE slaps on top of Symbian. The don't, however, seem to have quite got the knack of cobbling together really good hardware to run it all on.
Of course, the kids who make the really cool hardware seem content to slap Windows Mobile on there and be done with it.
So, in conclusion: come on HTC, go source a proper OS for your handhelds. Maybe have a word with Apple?
Back on-topic: it seems to run on WM2003SE, but not very nicely. It's all juddery and incomplete and frankly kind of rubbish. More evidence, if it was ever needed, that Magician-type devices are not meant for web browsing.

i use one of the beta versions on 2003
it's ok but slow
and it DONT SUPPORT COPY PASTE!!!
which is a biatch

ATEOTD no Firefox/Mozilla is worth using at such early test versions. It's worth keeping an eye on if you're that geeky - but Firefox (back when it was Phoenix then Firebird) wasn't really useable until version 0.7. Consider that minimo is at 0.07 or something - it has a long way to go before it's competing with IE/Opera. I won't put PIE in that list, because it's just not a browser. And Thunderhawk is simply incomparible in its function. I would like to see a browser which renders as well as Thunderhawk but more quickly and without needing to interface with a central server, though.
Minimo's greatest feature so far is that it does actually support JavaScript and AJAX systems like Google Maps, which no other browser can do. But to get the speed out of Thunderhawk, you would probably need to render to a static image. And that negates animated GIFs and any JavaScript that manipulates on-screen elements.

PPC Web Browser

Greetings All,
Since a week i am searching for a web browser which is the best, but cannot find one.
Opera 8.60- its has given me all good response, like having tab in full screen, fast downloading, good look, but it lacked in basic thing like saving page-image etc.
Multi IE 4.0- which also have many good feature but lacked in look, though given me page saving functionality. It doesn't show tab while on full screen for faster navigation.
Picsel browser- is a very good browser which also handles pdf, word, text and other format like that. But it lacked in tab functionality.
Share your views, if you know any good browser do let everybody know.
Thanks.

samy.3660 said:
Opera 8.60- its has given me all good response, like having tab in full screen, fast downloading, good look, but it lacked in basic thing like saving page-image etc.
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Please follow my articles & tutorials - I've published a tutorial on exactly this question. http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=879&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Also see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1302&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for a more broad explanation of page / image saving if interested.

samy.3660 said:
Greetings All,
Since a week i am searching for a web browser which is the best, but cannot find one.
Opera 8.60- its has given me all good response, like having tab in full screen, fast downloading, good look, but it lacked in basic thing like saving page-image etc.
Multi IE 4.0- which also have many good feature but lacked in look, though given me page saving functionality. It doesn't show tab while on full screen for faster navigation.
Picsel browser- is a very good browser which also handles pdf, word, text and other format like that. But it lacked in tab functionality.
Share your views, if you know any good browser do let everybody know.
Thanks.
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Well that's the thing... I don't think you can fine ONE do-it-all browser that you love and is easy on your resources.
If you go by functionality, I think NetFront is the undisputed leader. It's been vodet as the best several times I guess.
Personally, too resourse intensive for my Wizards liking.
I use a combination of Opera 8.60 and PIE coupled with the PIE Plus Enhancement. It (PIE Plus) gives you everything you need and comes with everything that IE lacks. It has a fantastic feature called PWO which if i'm not mistaken, is responsible for reorganising the content of webpages in a manner that makes it most pleasing to view the web from a measly 240x320 resolution device.
Opera is a lil heavy on resources and hence gets my attention ONLY when I need to do internet banking and use website like orkut which don't show me the login box in PIE.

leepriestenator said:
Well that's the thing... I don't think you can fine ONE do-it-all browser that you love and is easy on your resources.
If you go by functionality, I think NetFront is the undisputed leader. It's been vodet as the best several times I guess.
Personally, too resourse intensive for my Wizards liking.
I use a combination of Opera 8.60 and PIE coupled with the PIE Plus Enhancement. It (PIE Plus) gives you everything you need and comes with everything that IE lacks. It has a fantastic feature called PWO which if i'm not mistaken, is responsible for reorganising the content of webpages in a manner that makes it most pleasing to view the web from a measly 240x320 resolution device.
Opera is a lil heavy on resources and hence gets my attention ONLY when I need to do internet banking and use website like orkut which don't show me the login box in PIE.
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Yup, PIEPlus is pretty cool (also see my reviews - I've posted quite a few reviews of it); however, you may want to switch off its PWO and use the built-in One Column mode of PIE instead to make browsing faster.
As far as NF is concerned, the new, 3.4 version is pretty promising (see my reviews - I've just posted the review of the latest TP of 3.4)

Yes
Greetings All,
Looks as netfront is good, ill check both of them.

Safari Browser for Windows Mobile: Iris Browser

Torch Mobile has released a new version of their Webkit based browser for Windows mobile.
The Iris browser:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7556.html
What are you thoughts of this so far? It's still beta I believe.

I like it. It has a added bonus, all sites made for Iphone now loads the iphone page instead of the normal mobile or standard site.
It's also faster then opera and pocket IE, and it supports keyboard shortcuts (more then you can say about Opera) if you have a keyboard that is.

Im a little confused, why would you want to load the ipony version? Surley they are scaled down to the much lower res of the ipony?
Does it support tap zoom-in/out and scrolling like Opera? What about flash where its on a normal website? And Java?

Monty Burns said:
Im a little confused, why would you want to load the ipony version? Surley they are scaled down to the much lower res of the ipony?
Does it support tap zoom-in/out and scrolling like Opera? What about flash where its on a normal website? And Java?
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you act like having more options is a bad thing.

crazy talk said:
you act like having more options is a bad thing.
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its not bad, its just pointless if it renders lower res and doesn't support the normal finger gestures (of which I honestly don't know, does it?).

I like this browser. A lot. I wish they'd work out some of the bugs though. On SP, you can enable the virtual mouse cursor (which is great!) but the hotkeys you can assign, for instance to zoom in and out don't work which is a pain.

jeonatl3 said:
I like this browser. A lot. I wish they'd work out some of the bugs though. On SP, you can enable the virtual mouse cursor (which is great!) but the hotkeys you can assign, for instance to zoom in and out don't work which is a pain.
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Can you tell us if it supports finger browsing/swiping/gestures please?

I couldn't tell you as I only have a Smartphone! sorry.

It swipes and zooms like opera. It's a bit like the 6.5 version of PIE. It has a very nice graphical history. You can import PIE favorites, and it reads PIE cookies, which is very nice. It's on the slow side, though.

Thanks Ted, so Opera is still really the daddy then.

The iphone sites are often better then the "normal" mobile versions, for instance Iphone facebook is better then "mobile" facebook, also services like dropbox only has mobile pages for ihpone. Sure you can use the "desktop" version but that just make ajax/javascript heavy pages crash your browser.
Opera also dont work AT ALL on certain pages, all i get is a error, the same page with portable IE or IRIS works perfectly.
Also i dont like the proxy rendering browsers like opera mini or skyfire, I dont want to log on to passworded sites useing that - God knows who can snoop your personal info that way.
Sure, iris still need more work done in terms of usability (esp. on touchscreens) but still renders pages way faster then opera, webkit is realy a good renderer for portable units.

sky fire 1.0

it is available to download the version 1.0 of sky fire
IMO is much much better than the previus ones... any way i'm still waiting for the opera 9.7
thins is the info taht the sf team said
What’s new in 1.0?
•Thumbnail interaction. Now you can click on links immediately after the page loads without having to zoom in. This enhancement is especially helpful for high resolution phones, and for familiar sites where you know right away where you want to click. It makes getting to the content you want on the page simpler, quicker and more efficient.
•Improved zoom. Double-tap or double-click to zoom over any element, including links, images or videos. The zoom interaction is smoother and more responsive as well. Best of all: when you zoom in you will get readable text instantly.
•Enhanced navigation. When you navigate back or forward, you return to the last viewport (e.g. zoom level and portion of the page). This eliminates the need to pan and zoom into the section you were viewing on the previous page. Skyfire remembers the viewport even when you select a page from your history. We have also added shortcut keys, (9) for forward and (7) for backward navigation.
•Improved page handling. Enhancements have been made especially for AJAX-intensive sites such as Facebook and Gmail. When larger parts of the page get updated, the client will more quickly and accurately reflect this. In addition, now, we support full-width iFrames in Skyfire.
•Fast start. We changed both the sequence and behavior of the Skyfire launch so you get started as quickly as possible. You can type a search or URL in the Superbar while Skyfire is connecting in the background. You can put Skyfire to work before the start page is even loaded. Plus, we’ve improved connection performance.
•Reconnect to last state. When you leave Skyfire in the background Skyfire disconnects to preserve battery life. When you come back to Skyfire (after minutes, hours, days), it will reload the same page to the same zoom level and focus. You can continue right where you left off. When you exit and start again, Skyfire you will always land on the start page.
•Connection helper. There is a new mechanism to detect when connections cannot be established to Skyfire servers. If this is due to a network configuration (common in GSM land), then we provide suggestions to help out. This is especially useful if you are with a carrier/data plan that places restrictions on certain APN configurations, which interferes with Skyfire.
•Enhanced search results. Google results now include video, news articles, local results all blended on a single results page and ordered by relevance. Vertical search categories are still available.
•Improved RSS feed search. Find your favorite custom RSS feeds through the improved Add-Feed feature, found under the Customize menu on the start page. Search by site domain, feed URL, or even topical keywords.
•Easier sharing of RSS items from start page. We’ve exposed a simple “Share this article” link below each RSS story displayed on your start page to make it easier to share interesting items to your Twitter and Facebook.
•Remember last connection (Symbian only). Skyfire can now remember the last connection for you, so you will not have to choose a connection every single time. In addition, if you want to change the connection type while you are in Skyfire you can do so.
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Thanks for the tip!

Just downloaded to my Alltel Touch Pro, thanks for the update! I visited the official home page of Skyfire, and they aren't making any waves on their site or even making clear note of this huge release? Anyway, can't wait to see if it's better than previous beta versions! I am still waiting for Fennec!!!

It's really nice but only problem is it takes up more memory then the previous versions.

segadc said:
It's really nice but only problem is it takes up more memory then the previous versions.
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Oh boy... now my Skyfire wont play any videos on hulu or elsewhere, yet the browser works everywhere else. I have an HTC Touch Pro, I did a hard reset and still no luck... any ideas?

skyfire 1.0 same old same old
try mach 5 browser real vga resolution for people with touch pro
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=67780
that's how skyfire 1.0 should have been

ATT-Half said:
skyfire 1.0 same old same old
try mach 5 browser real vga resolution for people with touch pro
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=67780
that's how skyfire 1.0 should have been
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Mach-5? Never heard of it, did it come out in a stable version before Skyfire? Does it support flash video? I wonder what the issue is with my HTC Touch Pro no longer being able to play flash video on Hulu through Skyfire anymore with version 1.0, even though the internet works fine???

Bizzump...
Excited about Opera Mobile coming out with Flash support...
Once Opera Mobile and Fennec are (both) released, won't they dominate everything else entirely? (As in, no need for Skyfire or anything else)

+ 1 for opera mobile even in actual version 9.5 with no flash!
And with the upcomming 9.7 will be the best browser!

orb3000 said:
+ 1 for opera mobile even in actual version 9.5 with no flash!
And with the upcomming 9.7 will be the best browser!
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Makes me drool the prospect of this version coming out if even the out dated Opera that was baked into my HTC Touch Pro from the factory is LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything else is sheer usability!
Is there any loose time frame on this release of 9.7 with Flash, or is it all speculation at this point???

ATT-Half said:
skyfire 1.0 same old same old
try mach 5 browser real vga resolution for people with touch pro
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=67780
that's how skyfire 1.0 should have been
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Ahhhh, drats!
I don't know if it was something I did, or maybe it was the wrong download link... but from the company home page that developed Mach5, I downloaded the appropriate VGA .cab to my Touch Pro, and although it seemed to work flawlessly, somehow what I had downloaded was a "trial" and worse of all, it was almost all in Japanese!?!?
I couldn't even access streaming video over at Hulu due to the "Hulu only streams content within the United States." HUH? Maybe I missed something...
Has anyone else had this problem?
1. Mach5 looked VERY GOOD (much better than Skyfire, which I ONLY USE exclusively for hulu) but... IS IT STILL FREE?
2. Is Mach5 available for download that will not trip up websites thinking it is an overseas phone or browser program?

New web browser - zetakey browser

On openmarket, looks good and is fast. Looks as though there's no flash support, but only looked at it for a few minutes.
http://www.zetakey.com/download.html

Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out.

No double tap or pinch zoom either, but their website said open to suggestions for future releases (bombard them with flash )

This is a pretty nice browser. I just found this after SkyFire got canned on Windows Mobile. No tabs like Iris, but less clunky, nicer interface like Dorothy. This appears to be the only Webkit browser for WM (that I could find anyways) still under active development, AND it takes about half the installed space of Iris or Dorothy. As was said above, it's not exactly feature-rich, but it's my favorite new browser. Thumbs up. Maybe I'll try and get it working with the Internet tab via VJBrisk.exe etc.

I'm also in search of a webkit browser for WM 6.5, and I have tried all three: Iris, Dorothy, Zetakey
Iris is still a keeper for now, which displays the google iphone interface correctly. But the problem with Iris is the cache goes out of control - a few webpages later the cache is more than 30 mb! So I only use it for specific sites.
Dorothy looks nice so far, even though it has issues with google iphone interface. The problem is it doesn't display any non-English language, even though all other apps, including opera mini and opera mobile, do just fine.
Zetakey was suppose to be the most promising except a fatal flaw: it conflicts with QuickMenu for some unknown reason. Once Zetakey is running QuickMenu is disabled. Another problem is I can resize the font. It looks like it's sized but it's not, and the default font size is super small.
I guess the only way to get a real webkit browser on HD2 now is to go Android.

wearefree said:
(...) I guess the only way to get a real webkit browser on HD2 now is to go Android.
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Yeah, I thought about that too... dual-booting so I could have a browser with flash support and whatnot. But then I can't use OCT dang it.

I just tried to change the user agent for oepra mobile on HD2, and now most of the mobile sites will return the iphone browser interface. Some of it dosn't display correctly but at least it's better than before. I guess that is one solution.

Bumping the Zetakey threads to let people know there's a new version at Zetakey.com as of 14-Feb-2011. Webkit browser for WM that's still under development that installs into less space than Iris or Dorothy.

Zetakey Browser
Howdy All,
I've been on the lookout for a light, fast browser suitable to my unique needs. Due to Adwords for mobile not rendering on Opera and a host of other browers, I had to install Iris 1.1.9 (plus fix). Unfortunately, Iris didn't impress especially as far as the UI is concerned. I then came across Zetakey which so far ticks all the boxes. I have requested the Flash plugin and await a response and looking at editing certain features. but so far so good. And what a small footprint! I'd say give it a try.
I'm running overclocked (633) Touch HD with Blackstonehenge Rom in case you were wondering.

does it have flash

smungai said:
Howdy All,
I've been on the lookout for a light, fast browser suitable to my unique needs. Due to Adwords for mobile not rendering on Opera and a host of other browers, I had to install Iris 1.1.9 (plus fix). Unfortunately, Iris didn't impress especially as far as the UI is concerned. I then came across Zetakey which so far ticks all the boxes. I have requested the Flash plugin and await a response and looking at editing certain features. but so far so good. And what a small footprint! I'd say give it a try.
I'm running overclocked (633) Touch HD with Blackstonehenge Rom in case you were wondering.
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Are you in the right forum? This is an HD2 forum, and the CPU runs at 1Ghz stock. What would overclocked (633) mean?