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how to clear most cab files from ExtRom on MDA compact

I own a MDA compact with 64MB ROM and 64MB RAM + 512MB San Disk SD
I would like to receive some suggestions about how to increase RAM and ROM on my MDA compact: after hard reset I see that, in fact, the available RAM for programs and storage is much less than 64MB, in fact it is around 40MB.
I guess the culprits are those cabs and installation files which are inevitably installed after hard reset from Ext-Rom.
I would like to know how to increase the available ROM+RAM after Hard Reset.
ALso I would like to know if it is possible (and how) to modify the external ROM and get rid of most NOT useful programms.
These following programs are NOT useful to me:
- album
- email whiz
- MSN messenger
- photo contacts
- Midlet manager
- Pictures
- Windows Media
- Zip
- xBackup
- games (both of them)
Thanks in advance for your kind help and advice
Replies to my personal email are welcomed.
Saulo
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this is easy, do a hard reset, and then direcly afther aligning the screen do a soft reset windows will be installed but no other programs like (in my case) msn messenger t-mobile crap etc.

57.41MB after soft reset, remains as free memory
Thanks. I have done as you recommend.
1.
I noted that the remaining storage + program memory is 57.41MB, not 64MB. Why?
2.
Also I have noted that WITHOUT PERFORMING SOFT RESET all the auxiliary unwanted programs are installed and, SURPRISE, at the end, the free memory is still THE SAME, 57.41MB !? Why is that? It should be less, say 50MB
Thanks and waiting
saulo8666

Re: 57.41MB after soft reset, remains as free memory
saulo866 said:
Thanks. I have done as you recommend.
1.
I noted that the remaining storage + program memory is 57.41MB, not 64MB. Why?
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The remaining 6.5MB are used by system and not available to user.
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Also I have noted that WITHOUT PERFORMING SOFT RESET all the auxiliary unwanted programs are installed and, SURPRISE, at the end, the free memory is still THE SAME, 57.41MB !? Why is that? It should be less, say 50MB
saulo8666
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57.41MB is the size of memory installed.
The "blue bar" in memory is the memory available. The "white" portion is the memory used.
For example I have:
Storage: Allocated 21.18 - In use 11.83 - Free 9.35
Program: Allocated 36.24 - In use 14.63 - Free 21.61
So I have 26.46MB Used and 30.96 Free.
If I install more programs in main memory I will find less free space.
Ciao, ilVanni

please help..i can't install programs WM5 1.6c

i am runing WM5 version 1.6c the Storage memory shows 1 mega while the program memory shows 100 mega...but i am not able to install programs i get a message says not enough memory.....please help what is the problem....thankx

Are you new to WM5?

No Dear....but i was thinking that the program memory shown at the memory screen for the program installation....but i found that the paert of Storage is the one where the installed programs go.....so what is the usage of the Program part of the memory and how can i increase the size of the memory allocated to programs installation.
best regards

I've same problem with you. In my xda, I just have 2MB free storage. Maybe anybody can help us to increase our storage

How to free PROGRAM MEMORY in wm5

I had a friend who had this problem.I wonder who can help?With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb left at factory default settings. My friend is running short of Program memory.ie ram space.
She is using eten m600+ that had 180mb storage for user and only 30mb program memory for user left at time of factory default settings.(when Bought from the shop)
original specs state 256mb rom and 64 mb ram.
after installing many programs the ppc still had about 125mb(excessive and redundant for running programs) left in storage and only 10 mb left in program memory.
Problem is certain programs like mapking, imap, agenda fusion(3000 contacts) consumes about 10 mb of program memory to run. then there is insufficient program memory to run a 2nd program at the same time.
If only we can shift like in my case 10 to 20mb from storage memory to program memory the the etenm600+ ppc would be wonderful.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THIS?
She has also a miotech A700 with about almost the same programs installed.The miotech factory default program memory is also left with 30mb when purchased. HOWEVER with almost the same programs installed the program memory left is about 25mb.THERFORE on miotech there is no problems to run multiple programs concurrently.
Question:
1.What cause the difference in usage of the program memory?
2.What to do to ensure that the program memory is not used up during installation of programs?
3.Are we able to see the Program memory to identify which of our programs are occupying the space?
4.Can we do anything eg to shift the programs that occupy the space in program memory to storage memory or storage card( like the way we are able to shift certain programs from storage memory to storage card by shifting the programs from the Program files in Main Memory to Program files in storage card therby freeing the storage memory)
Any insight into this would be much appreciated. At this point manufacturers had yet to increase ram ie program memory from 64mb up to 128 or 256mb as had been done for storage memory ie rom in the case of eten600+ had been increased to 256mb from 128mb(Eten m600/o2 or dopod products)
With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb at factory default settings

Ok, here is the memory explanation:
As you may or may not (I am not quite certain from your post) know on WM5 devices like the Wizard storage memory is ROM, or more precisely flash (NAND if you want to get technical).
Program memory is RAM (I think it's SRAM not sure).
Since these are two physically different types of memory there is no way what so ever to use one in place of the other. So no borrowing storage memory to run programs.
Even if it was somehow possible (which it's not) to use flash to run programs it would bring your device to a halt as its read / write speeds are much to slow.
On WM5 systems RAM (program memory) is used just like on PC exclusively for running programs. It can not be used for storage so there is no danger of it being wasted during installation.
I don't have an explanation regarding the ETEN vs MIO issue, but keep the following in mind:
1) 64MB is in reality reported as about 55MB (binary count difference), 10 - 15 of that is reserved by the system and as much as 5 more may be taken up by resident apps / services depending on the device and the provider.
2) Same program may use up different amounts of RAM under different circumstances and may have memory leaks which means the memory it uses grows over time even if you do not input more data.
Also check out this neat app. Its a really great tool if you want to see whats going on on your device.

What is Ramdisk, pagepool and program memory?

Hi. I'm very new to windows mobile 2005, and am very confused as to what Ramdisk, pagepool and program memory is. I understand that on top of all that, there is still extended ROM? I'm familiar with extROM from my wm2003SE time, but the persistent storage part of wm2005 has really made me jumbled up. Can someone help shed some light on this please? Thank you.

in 2005 all ram is for applications like on a pc
in 2003 ram is deviced between storage and application ram
ramdisk is using application ram as storage because himalaya's dont have much flash
in 2005 storage is flash
page pool is technical terms for how memory is used
basicly it means that if you let memory be used in larger blocks
it's faster but they use more mem

Thanks for the reply Rudegar. Are there any versions of WM5 now that allows the use of the full 128 MB of RAM that the Himalaya has? I've used C Shekhar's version that makes use of only 64 MB of RAM, and I find that I'm running out of space when installing certain applications that need to be installed on the main device instead of on Storage Card.

if no ramdisk is used all 128MB is application mem
if as it sounds like all 128MB was set to ramdisk for storage
is what you want then no applications would be able to run
at all
best bet is getting a larger ramdisk but some applications may not work if the ramdisk is too big

Thanks Rudegar. So, if I equate it to a computer, Ramdisk is the C drive where the operating system (and any other programs that is cooked in the ROM to be installed) are installed in, am I right?
Or is it the other way round, where Ramdisk is the memory that is used when an application starts up?
Is there a wiki page about this, that explains what ramdisk, pagepool and program memory?
Thanks again for all the replies!

Confusing indeed. Anyway, a RAMDisk is like a disk drive in your PC that you can store stuff in it. It look like a disk, although it is actually using your PC's RAM to store information. Rebooting/power-off your PC will erase everything in the RAMDisk.
So, from what I can understand, part of the Himalaya's RAM is used to make RAMDisk, which you can use to store files, install programs, etc, like the disk drive on your PC. While `Program memory` is like the RAM of your PC where software store their stuff temporary. Since both of this `RAMDisk` and `Program memory` uses the same physical memory, their size is inversely proportional to each other (eg large RAMDisk means small Program memory).
As for Page Pool.. this is a bit weird. From what it seems, this page pool is more like swap file to me (eg the virtual memory of Windows). From other pages, it seems that PagePool+RAMDisk = 64MB.

ram used to be controled by a slider in mem settings to deside what was used as you use pc ram and what was used for "hardisk"
real 2005 devices use flash storage for the "harddisk" part
and all their memory is like pc ram
non nativ 2005 devices like himalaya
dont have much storage so peopled made a program which would
use the memory as a "harddisk"
this mean that there is less memory "pc ram"
when ramdisk is used
here is some info about what a ramdisk is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_disk

Is there any version of win2005 without ramdisk and bigger pagepool like 40mb or something like that. Or is it possible to make windows like that because I have big memory card and don't need the ramdisk and don't use it?

Memory problem(WM6): Storage -vs- Program

I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?

Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.

AlanJC said:
Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
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Yes, I know that in wm2003 you could easely change the amount between these two. I noticed that everytime WM5/WM6 is started there was a different mount of flash/ram, so WM is changing this every time ?!?! (so you could manuputalte this?)
AlanJC said:
The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.
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What do you mean with that (I have a universal / T-mobile MDA pro)?!

The only WM5 device you can change the amount of RAM vs Storage is the Himalaya, this is because it was a WM2003 device and it used RAM for both storage, and RAM to run apps in.
WM5 devices don't use RAM to store things in, just the partitioned area of ROM.
You can not use ROM to run things, you only have the RAM, so if you are running out of space, your only option is to run less.

AlanJC said:
You can not use ROM to run things
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Unless, the universal had NOR based ROM, which could XIP

Storage vs. Program memory
Liquid said:
I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?
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Man! You would have read my mind! I was discussing the very same subject this morning with a friend of mine, but unfortunately he was unable to explain (he's a nokia freak), so I could save a new thread by sharing my views over here.
My query was if Uni has got 128ROM and 64RAM, Eten M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM. Now, how does the respective reading be Program Total: 48.07 MB & Storage Total: 43.72 MB (cooked rom below)? Whereas M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM, reading is Program 47.52 MB & Storage 70.24 MB!
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program? If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage? I am facing a terrible issue when I use couple of applications even after closing them, I lose about 10 MB! I know some cooked ROMs had a program memory of 52 MB!
Any one could explain?
BTW, what's XIP?

Cyber-mate said:
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program?
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Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Cyber-mate said:
If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage?
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Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended rom and storage card)
Cyber-mate said:
BTW, what's XIP?
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XIP=eXecute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS

kdskamal said:
Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended ROM and storage card)
XIP=execute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS
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Big thank you for the explain. Now, what about the difference in total memory reading among different PDAs?